Sunday, July 9, 2006
Member since:
March 2002
March 2002
"batman begins" CAN NOT be a prequel in any way, shape, or form to tim burton's "batman". --Eddie
Sorry, Eddie; we're beating a dead horse here and carrying on a conversation that nobody else cares about. Oh, well....
Anyway, technically speaking, a "prequel" does not have to be entirely consistent with what comes afterward. Nowhere in the definition of "prequel" does it say that a prequel must keep all of the details exact, according to the Random House Unabridged Dictionary ("a literary, dramatic, or filmic work that prefigures a later work, as by portraying the same characters at a younger age") or the Merriam-Webster Third International Unabridged Dictionary ("a literary or dramatic work whose story precedes that of an earlier work"). If everything needed to be exact, none of the "Batman" movies would work together: different actors, different Bat costumes, different Batmobiles, etc.
As I said earlier, I think you're exaggerating your argument for the sake of arguing. But, again, I appreciate the criticism because it lead me to reword the offending statement to something that may be clearer all the way around and keep nitpickers at bay. ;)
John
Sorry, Eddie; we're beating a dead horse here and carrying on a conversation that nobody else cares about. Oh, well....
Anyway, technically speaking, a "prequel" does not have to be entirely consistent with what comes afterward. Nowhere in the definition of "prequel" does it say that a prequel must keep all of the details exact, according to the Random House Unabridged Dictionary ("a literary, dramatic, or filmic work that prefigures a later work, as by portraying the same characters at a younger age") or the Merriam-Webster Third International Unabridged Dictionary ("a literary or dramatic work whose story precedes that of an earlier work"). If everything needed to be exact, none of the "Batman" movies would work together: different actors, different Bat costumes, different Batmobiles, etc.
As I said earlier, I think you're exaggerating your argument for the sake of arguing. But, again, I appreciate the criticism because it lead me to reword the offending statement to something that may be clearer all the way around and keep nitpickers at bay. ;)
John
Sunday, July 9, 2006
Member since:
August 2004
August 2004
Now if only we could get an Alien Returns that did the same thing.
Monday, July 10, 2006
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July 2005
July 2005
Chris,
What a great quote from Herzog. Would you mind telling me where you heard or read it?
Speaking of superheroes, did you see the interview where Herzog was shot with an air rifle and remained completely unphased? Oddly enough, a couple days earlier he had rescued Joaquin Phoenix from a car wreck.
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"It was not a significant bullet. I am not afraid."
-Kurtis
What a great quote from Herzog. Would you mind telling me where you heard or read it?
Speaking of superheroes, did you see the interview where Herzog was shot with an air rifle and remained completely unphased? Oddly enough, a couple days earlier he had rescued Joaquin Phoenix from a car wreck.
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"It was not a significant bullet. I am not afraid."
-Kurtis
Monday, July 10, 2006
Member since:
September 2004
September 2004
SEMANTICS AND LINGUISTICS IS A BITCH.
ESPECIALLY IF ENGLISH IS YER FIRST LANGUAGE, AND THEN YOU TRY TO LEARN YER MOTHER'S NATIVE LANGUAGE, SUCH AS SPANISH.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH DIALECT, SLANG, AND WHAT-NOT.
THIS IRKS ME. :p
BATMAN IS THE SHIT BY THE WAY. 8)
ESPECIALLY IF ENGLISH IS YER FIRST LANGUAGE, AND THEN YOU TRY TO LEARN YER MOTHER'S NATIVE LANGUAGE, SUCH AS SPANISH.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH DIALECT, SLANG, AND WHAT-NOT.
THIS IRKS ME. :p
BATMAN IS THE SHIT BY THE WAY. 8)
Monday, July 10, 2006
Member since:
March 2002
March 2002
"Given our friendship, I wholeheartedy apologize for ruffling you."
Yet you continue to ruffle by repeating your same argument ad nauseam.
Say goodnight, Gracie.
John
Yet you continue to ruffle by repeating your same argument ad nauseam.
Say goodnight, Gracie.
John
Monday, July 10, 2006
Member since:
March 2002
March 2002
John,
Given our friendship, I wholeheartedy apologize for ruffling you.
Nevertheless, I am troubled by your turn towards arguing semantics, now using the word "prequel" to mean "pre-date" when all previous discussions of "prequel" re: "Batman Begins" was about narrative cohesion. (Besides, both "Batman Begins" and "Batman" (1989) are origin stories featuring the first appearance of Batman in Gotham City. Therefore, they take place at the same time in Bruce Wayne's life--when he becomes Batman.)
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20 June 2005--
John: ""Batman Begins" IS meant to be a prequel, in the same way that the Episodes I-III of "Star Wars" were prequels to Episodes IV-VI."
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"Star Wars: Episodes I-III" and "Star Wars: Episodes IV-VI" are in the same narrative continuum. "Batman Begins" is not in the same narrative continuum as the "Batman" movies directed by Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher.
Eddie
Given our friendship, I wholeheartedy apologize for ruffling you.
Nevertheless, I am troubled by your turn towards arguing semantics, now using the word "prequel" to mean "pre-date" when all previous discussions of "prequel" re: "Batman Begins" was about narrative cohesion. (Besides, both "Batman Begins" and "Batman" (1989) are origin stories featuring the first appearance of Batman in Gotham City. Therefore, they take place at the same time in Bruce Wayne's life--when he becomes Batman.)
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20 June 2005--
John: ""Batman Begins" IS meant to be a prequel, in the same way that the Episodes I-III of "Star Wars" were prequels to Episodes IV-VI."
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"Star Wars: Episodes I-III" and "Star Wars: Episodes IV-VI" are in the same narrative continuum. "Batman Begins" is not in the same narrative continuum as the "Batman" movies directed by Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher.
Eddie
Monday, July 10, 2006
Member since:
March 2002
March 2002
Eddie, YOU are an egregious logical fallacy. :)
"Batman Begins" is so titled because it goes back to Batman's roots. Thus it predates the prevous "Batman" movies, showing us how things got started. Therefore, it is a prequel in the most literal, denotative sense. Of course, you apparently have your own personal definition of "prequel," so my reasoning is lost on you.
Seriously, why are continuing this nonsensical harangue? I made a perfectly harmless remark in my review , which you perfectly understood as did everyone else who read it (and which I have since reworded to conform to your demands), and yet you are still turning it into a federal case. Do you want me to cry "uncle" in public? I won't because I think you're being egregiously wrong and egregiously wrong-headed about this. You're simply nitpicking, and you know it, but you refuse to give in or give up. Well, I admire your determination, but it is becoming annoying even to a fairly even-tempered fellow like me.
John
"Batman Begins" is so titled because it goes back to Batman's roots. Thus it predates the prevous "Batman" movies, showing us how things got started. Therefore, it is a prequel in the most literal, denotative sense. Of course, you apparently have your own personal definition of "prequel," so my reasoning is lost on you.
Seriously, why are continuing this nonsensical harangue? I made a perfectly harmless remark in my review , which you perfectly understood as did everyone else who read it (and which I have since reworded to conform to your demands), and yet you are still turning it into a federal case. Do you want me to cry "uncle" in public? I won't because I think you're being egregiously wrong and egregiously wrong-headed about this. You're simply nitpicking, and you know it, but you refuse to give in or give up. Well, I admire your determination, but it is becoming annoying even to a fairly even-tempered fellow like me.
John
Monday, July 10, 2006
Member since:
October 2004
October 2004
Kurtis,
Herzog has related that metaphor many times. I actually heard him use it when he spoke at an event in L.A. a few years ago. However, I this specific quote was apparently from an article in a magazine called "Stop Smiling", Issue 25, 2006. I plucked it off the net here:
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Herzog has related that metaphor many times. I actually heard him use it when he spoke at an event in L.A. a few years ago. However, I this specific quote was apparently from an article in a magazine called "Stop Smiling", Issue 25, 2006. I plucked it off the net here:
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