I loved that dog!
I WAS the next man!
Shometimesh I find that if I just sit for a moment, the sholution preshentsh itshelf.
:p

Would anyone consider "Harrison Burgeron" to be SCience Fiction?
An "art" film?

I wrote it in my diary so I wouldn't have to remember!

Sean:

As far as your wondering if anyone caught the line from Henry V (thank you) in Independence day... I did! I don't know... no offense, but it seems to me we're all too critical of movies now days. Either a movie is incredibly super spiffy fantastic... or it's just plain crap. I just enjoyed Independence day for what it was. Maybe that has to do with my being in the Army when it came out? You know... being patriotic and all?

I have no idea why "Last Crusade" quotes crept into a "space sci-fi" discussion... but then again... look at my last ending quote! HA! I aaaam a hypocrite!

(queue Star Trek opening theme) "... Space... the final frontier... these are the voyages of the DVD Town message board

- Josh :p

I agree with Josh that "Armageddon" and "Deep Impact" are disaster movies rather than space operas. Being set in space is not enough to quality something as a space movie. Besides, those movies were meant to be "realistic" to some degree. There needs to be a touch of fantasy, like in "Star Trek", "Star Wars", "Battlestar Galactica", etc.

I love sci-fi films along the lines of "Dark City", and most of the Star Trek movies were good. I greatly anticipate "I, Robot" because it has the same director of Dark City and The Crow (Alex Proyas).

P.S. Only the penitent man will pass...

Depression,
I, too, can't wait for the Galaxy Quest sequel, but if Sigourney's gonna bare more than she did in the original there's gonna need to be a sequel to Calendar Girls.

Josh,
While I agree with you that Independence Day is a fun and entertaining movie, I think the fact that Pullman's line was so similar to the "St. Crispin's Day" speech from Henry V that it screams lack of creativity. I just sat in the theater thinking to myself, "Do the rest of these people realize what this is from?" It was similar to the Glory/Last Samurai training scene. Stuff like that just takes me right out of the movie.

And how did we get off on the Last Crusade quotes?

Sean (not that I could be called Captain Originality or anything...but that would be cool...) 8)

"You have your father's eyes...""...and my mother's ears, but the rest belongs to you."
"Everybody's lost but me..."

Ahh... it's fun to see these threads turn into sweaters. Almost completely off topic, and leaning towards a cocktail party conversation... but a sweater none the less.

Concerning Starship Troopers. It WAS meant to be 'bad', and make fun of any number of things as Eddie mentioned. I mean who DIDN'T laugh at the line "would you like to know more?" inbetween EVERY news cast in the movie? That movie was incredibly funny, and had great action. And even though it's based off of a Heinlein book, how could you miss Director Paul Verhoeven's poke at the Hitler Era with the "SS" wings and beret's worn by all of the "Troopers"? I think if you hated Starship Troopers... you missed the point of it.

As for the bringing in of "disaster" movies and plunking them into the "space" Sci-fi genre that I was speaking of... I don't think they fit. Just because the cast of "Armageddon" went INTO space (during the last 20 min. of the movie) doesn't qualify it to be a "space" genre movie in my book. The vast majority of the film was spent on Earth preparing to save it from an asteroid, and had no real "sci-fi" merit what soever.

The Fifth Element is an excelent and unique "space" Sci-fi movie. Stargate is another good one!

Skspence:

Good point about the 70's, and being in awe of "Special Effects" (as they were known in the day). The "how did they do that" factor, I think has quite literally been lost. No one cares about special effects anymore because it's all assumed to just be "CG". And since virtually anything can be done in CG, the mystery is lost. I wonder if we'll EVER see the kind of quality "stop motion", and use of REAL models again as we saw in Star Wars IV, V, & VI? I think what made those movies (and movies of that era) "SFX" so believeable was because they WERE using REAL models. That means REAL lighting and shadows, REAL camera motion, REAL "weathering" on models, and yes... REAL explosions! Albeit on a 32nd or 64th scale, but real just the same. That's my theory anyway.

Tim:

Concerning "Independence Day". The movie is another "poke fun" at the older style films. However, I think you missunderstood Bill Pullmans speach in the film. That speach is actually an adaptation of a speach made by a character in Shakespear's "St. Crispon's Day". It's a very dramatic and inspirational speach if you read the original. Pullman's adaptation was very well done in my book. He wouldn't have been my first choice to pull the line off, but did quite a good job in my opinion. That speach is one I could see George C. Scott pulling off though! Can we say PATTON?!

Anyway... This has been another Nachtkriechen reply. The views expressed by Nachtkriechen are not necessarily of the staff of DVD Town, or it's owners or affiliates therein, and were in no way was Nachtkriechen re-embursed for his views and opinions. Some assembly required, batteries not included... and Oh, if you have any problems, dial information, thank you for calling.

- Josh 8)

And what about "Slaughter House 5"? You could almost say the makers of "The Matrix" had stolen some of their ideas from this film. Sure it's old and a bit tough to watch, however, in the end, it's a Sci-Fi about control.

As far as "Starship Troopers" and "Independence Day" goes, I did get the point. All I'm saying is I don't care for that type of campy humor. I like my humor more slappy, sarcastic, and edgy. "Austin Powers", "Blazing Saddles", "Caddy Shack", "Airplane" are a few that are more of the type of comedy I appreciate.

Connery -"It tellsh me that people like yourshelf should try reading booksh inshtead of BURNING THEM!!!"

:D

Tim,

John and I are still not leaving your house. :@

Eddie

P.S. Just kidding! :D

The troopers last stand at the frontier outpost against about a trillion giant, wild bugs has got to be classic.

John