Around the time of the first Eisenhower election in 1952, I remember my Dad telling me two significant things: (1) The Democrats, he said, were always for the common man, the Republicans always for the rich. And (2) never, ever, argue politics or religion. You'll never win and you'll only make enemies of former friends.

Unfortunately, I have never been as wise as my father.

John

About wining Cold War.

It is a common misconseption, especially among the Americans, that the Cold war was won. It was neither won nor lost because it was never a war. A rapid military build-up over several decades is known as the Cold War. And it was stopped, not won. It was stopped thanks to the efforts of several American Presidents and Soviet President Gorbachev.

mra,

The line "It's the economy, stupid" was an internal campaign slogan. It wasn't meant for public consumption. Clinton and his closest associates knew that the economy was the foremost concern among the public, and the slogan was a way to remind them to stay on topic during the election.

John

John,

Your dad was a very wise man. You remember that old saying... "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree." ;) We all get caught up in the heat of the moment. I said it before, and I'll say it again. You have to love how politics brings out the best in people.


Sasha,

Your comment "It is a common misconseption, especially among the Americans..." is also another "common misconseption". ;)

- Josh

poster5

>>>Today, the Republican Party's unstated platform is to keep poor non-whites poor and forever powerless and to shove Christian extremism down people's throats.<<<

Yikes!
The Republicans want to give people a choice in the schools they attend. "Non-whites" like this idea. The lestists are the ones who hate giving the people a choice. Also, many leftists want to ban homeschooling, some even want to take kids away from parents who do! They don't like private schools either. They want to be in charge of what every child learns. Christians need not apply! Any criticism of public schools are brushed-off as crazy-talk.
The Democrats want to keep the non-whites down. Then blame it on the Republicans. They have been very successful. Then they say voting for them is the only way to go and start the cycle all over again.
I have had several public school teachers who have told me the Bible is wrong and none said it is right. I guess I'm the only one?:o

Nach,
Thanks.:)

Tim,
That wasn't very mature either.
An apology would have been better.
Just admit that you made a mistake about my age and apologise for all the statements you made about me which were wrong, condescending, belittling put downs. I will accept.

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I remember Pat Buchannon (not that I am defending him) talking about slowing down the rate of illegal immigration and being called a xenophobic(sp )racist by the Dems because of it. Now GWB lets them all in and they don't like that either.

I have also noticed that whenever a Republican takes us to war, the Reps cheer and the Dems scream warmonger. BUT, when a Dem takes us to war, the dems cheer and the reps scream warmonger.
Just a suggestion: whenever a president does something, before passing judgement, think about what your reaction would be if a different president did the same thing. I am sure if Clinton took us to Iraq, *some* people (on both sides of the isle) would have the exact opposite opinion as to weather it was a good idea or not. Seriously.

Mra,

You’re a young man that has a long way to go before you begin to see the bigger picture in politics. When you get to my age and have many responsibilities to worry about, such as a retirement plan, buying a house, raising a kid, paying taxes, paying for health insurance, buying a car, paying car insurance premiums, buying gas, buying food, paying the utility bills, paying credit card debts, paying off student loans, paying the cell phone bill and trying to adjust your income to simply survive in the world, you will then begin to have far more diversity in your political decision making.

To be honest, and I absolutely mean no offense by this, but you’re a young lad that still has many things to learn in life and it makes it very difficult to debate politics with you. As Eddie said, I think of you as one of the good guys around here. I will gladly talk movies and entertainment of any type you’d like. However, when it comes to politics that is a subject that takes an enormous amount of time to learn and nurture as you go through the constant struggles of life. In other words, when you get some experience living in the real world then I’ll be more than happy to debate political issues with you until one of us is blue in the face . . . or we could just type blue text. :D

As it is, you said you were 16 and you’re trying to tell us that Clinton inherited a good economy when he entered the oval office. I think not my friend. I was trying to keep my head above water after the Reagan era and the economy was declining into a recession; trust me, I was living through it. However, I will admit that Clinton shouldn’t take all the glory for the biggest economic boom of the century. Clinton was just fortunate enough to be in office when Bill Gates, and everyone else in the IT industry, elevated our economy and stock market to its highest levels ever. Again, I don't know where you're getting your information from but you really need to get your facts straight and be able to back them up with proof.

Tim.

John,

"It's the economy, stupid?"
Oh what a nice positive message.

The deficits were caused by the democrats breaking their promises on a deals which were made in good faith by Mr. Reagan with lying cheating democrats (who were in collusion with the big three media lying about Mr. Reagan).
When Mr. Clinton arrived the economy had been coming out of a *mild* recession for a year. When Mr. Reagan arrived, there was much higher unemployment, a falling dollar, and double-digit inflation and interest rates. Mr. Reagan also had to deal with the evil empire.
Saying that I am distorting is wrong. I was there.
>>>The very fact that the Republicans have turned the word "liberal" into something akin to being in league with Satan is good example. <<<
If so many people didn't like liberal policies, the Republicans whouldn't keep calling the Democrats "li-be-rals".
>>>They're good at such name-calling... <<<
Oh, please! Does any of this sound familiar........
Dangerous, religious fundamentalist, "in league with" big business, racist, anti-semetic, homophobic, uncaring, stupid, idiotic, ultra-right wing extreemist KKK nazi?

posters5,

>>>...the son has turned out to be a religious fundamentalist only a shade or two better than the fanatics who attacked American on 11 Sept.<<<

WOW! I don't even know where to begin on that one, but you really do need to get out more.

>>>you created this thread with a lot of unsubstantiated angry attacks. What's disturbing is that you're considering not voting for Bush, yet you go on a rampage attacking John Kerry with lies and idiotic assumptions<<<

Just because you are in the dark doesn't mean that what I have said is unsubstantiated. Ther are no lies and idiotic assumptions from me. But thanks for caring.

As for your remarks before...
>>>I expressed bewilderment ...blah blah blah.<<<
You ALSO said some really "interesting" things about Mr. Bush.

Ah--you're not just stubbornly stupid but also a dick!

I'm done with this thread. I suggest that everyone leave, too. We've all had better political discussions elsewhere in the DVD Town Forum.