Sunday, June 29, 2003
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The issue really boils down to royalties. Sony and Philips developed the CD, so every CD ever pressed (music, video, blank, etc.) means a couple of cents going to Sony and Philips. Warner Bros. and some allied companies developed DVD, so every DVD ever pressed means a couple of cents going to Warner and friends.
The "HD-DVD" war is really about who gets more royalties than the others. A red laser format would mean that Warner and friends get to keep the royalties. Going Sony's route would mean that only Sony would get royalties. A disc-based blue laser system would mean another group of people getting royalties.
This is the same thing that is happening with SACD and DVD-Audio. If SACD wins, then Sony and Philips continue to get royalties. If DVD-Audio wins, then Warner and friends get royalties. This is all really silly because if you think about it, most people upgrading to multi-channel sound systems are doing it for DVD, and DVD-Audio is the format most directly related to DVD. The only thing keeping the DVD Forum from "deciding" on an HD-DVD format is the power that Sony wields, especially when you consider how Sony's hardware is so closely-linked (memory sticks, everything works with the VAIO computers, etc.).
The "HD-DVD" war is really about who gets more royalties than the others. A red laser format would mean that Warner and friends get to keep the royalties. Going Sony's route would mean that only Sony would get royalties. A disc-based blue laser system would mean another group of people getting royalties.
This is the same thing that is happening with SACD and DVD-Audio. If SACD wins, then Sony and Philips continue to get royalties. If DVD-Audio wins, then Warner and friends get royalties. This is all really silly because if you think about it, most people upgrading to multi-channel sound systems are doing it for DVD, and DVD-Audio is the format most directly related to DVD. The only thing keeping the DVD Forum from "deciding" on an HD-DVD format is the power that Sony wields, especially when you consider how Sony's hardware is so closely-linked (memory sticks, everything works with the VAIO computers, etc.).
Sunday, June 29, 2003
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Its a long wait I doubt Red Laser HD-DVD-9 will compete with Blue Laser AOD HD-DVD. My guess is HD-DVD players will play both red laser and blue laser discs. HD-DVD-9s for short movies and AODs for long movies or short movies with extras. There is an issue of Blu-Ray competing with HD-DVD. See Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD forum for details. HD-DVD will have full 1920 x 1080 interlaced resolution which like SD-DVD can be upgraded to 1920 x 1080 progressive with a progressive scan player. HD-DVD will be backwards compatable with SD-DVD. Not only that but I am sure HD-DVD players will provide the best possible image for SD-DVDs played on it too. Still HD-DVD is still a few years away I will continue buying SD-DVDs until HD-DVD comes out.
Monday, June 30, 2003
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...and DVD Town will review DVDs while we wait for HD-DVDs to come our way. :D
However, you're taking a lot of faith in the idea that HD-DVD will be a specific resolution. They're still debating what HD is (780 or 1080), so isn't it a bit premature to state that HD-DVD will be one number by another number? :p
By the way, I was doing some research on film versus digital video, and it turns out that digital video only offers 1500 lines of res at this point in time. 35mm film offers at least 5000 lines of res, and 70mm film offers at least 10000 lines of res. "Digital" has a long way to go any way you look at it...
However, you're taking a lot of faith in the idea that HD-DVD will be a specific resolution. They're still debating what HD is (780 or 1080), so isn't it a bit premature to state that HD-DVD will be one number by another number? :p
By the way, I was doing some research on film versus digital video, and it turns out that digital video only offers 1500 lines of res at this point in time. 35mm film offers at least 5000 lines of res, and 70mm film offers at least 10000 lines of res. "Digital" has a long way to go any way you look at it...
Monday, June 30, 2003
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Its simple if D-VHS and Blu-Ray have full 1920 x 1080 resolution. If HD-DVD has any less then it will be dead on arrival. The DVD forum knows this and they will give it full 1920 x 1080 resolution.
Saturday, July 5, 2003
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Jimmy,
Isn't "full 1920 X 1080 interlaced" a bit of an oxymoron?
Where are the 1080p displays? I don't see any on the floors of Best Buy?
There are a couple of other things to take into consideration before you declare 1080i to be the best choice for hddvd:
If you assume that todays $3000 displays are going to be tomorrows ordinary displays, it is pretty easy to that the CRT doesn't have much of a future. It is easy for me to see a future where LCD, plasma, and DLP rule the market. These are NOT interlaced displays. They don't know what to do with an interlaced signal. Why have interlaced sources that have to be jiggered to work on the display. Admittedly, it is easy enough to do with film based sources, but there is quite a bit of video based viewing to be done. Interlacing was designed as a workaround for the shorcommings of early CRT technology. In my opinion, it is time to get past interlacing.
Secondly, there are no widely avilable 1080i displays that will show 1920 horizontal pixals. This number "1920" is pure fantasy. I don't know if digital broadcasts bother to transmit the full 1920 pixels, but there is now way to display it.
To me, 720p is the answer. I suppose we could wait for 1080p to happen, but who's in the mood to wait? Furthermore, who's in the mood to drive up the cost of HDTV.
Just my humble 2 cents.
Chucky
Isn't "full 1920 X 1080 interlaced" a bit of an oxymoron?
Where are the 1080p displays? I don't see any on the floors of Best Buy?
There are a couple of other things to take into consideration before you declare 1080i to be the best choice for hddvd:
If you assume that todays $3000 displays are going to be tomorrows ordinary displays, it is pretty easy to that the CRT doesn't have much of a future. It is easy for me to see a future where LCD, plasma, and DLP rule the market. These are NOT interlaced displays. They don't know what to do with an interlaced signal. Why have interlaced sources that have to be jiggered to work on the display. Admittedly, it is easy enough to do with film based sources, but there is quite a bit of video based viewing to be done. Interlacing was designed as a workaround for the shorcommings of early CRT technology. In my opinion, it is time to get past interlacing.
Secondly, there are no widely avilable 1080i displays that will show 1920 horizontal pixals. This number "1920" is pure fantasy. I don't know if digital broadcasts bother to transmit the full 1920 pixels, but there is now way to display it.
To me, 720p is the answer. I suppose we could wait for 1080p to happen, but who's in the mood to wait? Furthermore, who's in the mood to drive up the cost of HDTV.
Just my humble 2 cents.
Chucky
Saturday, July 5, 2003
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There is only one television Toshibas 57 inch LCOS has full 1920 x 1080 progressive resolution. It retails of $8,000 and can be found for around $6,000. HD-DVD will be 1080i (1920 x 540) and will be converted 1080p (1920 x 1080) through progressive scaning. 720p (1280 x 720) is the lowest of the HD resolutions. D-VHS and Blu-Ray have 1080i resolution if HD-DVD has less it will be dead on arrival.
Tuesday, July 8, 2003
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The DVD Forum has defined the application layer to have a maximum image resolution of 1920x1080 - that is, each image that is on the disc will be 1920x1080 pixels (complete frames and not fields).
The question whether the output of the DVD player is 1080i or 1080p is a player implementation issue (remember the DVD Specifications define how the bits on the disc are laid out, not how the player must behave). Initially all HD DVD players will output 1080i (akin to 480i for the first few generations of DVD players), but I would expect in the future players to be able to output 1080p and for thosemonitors that accept and display 1080p.
As Jimmy indicated, the Toshiba LCoS displays 1080p already.
~DVD Guru
The question whether the output of the DVD player is 1080i or 1080p is a player implementation issue (remember the DVD Specifications define how the bits on the disc are laid out, not how the player must behave). Initially all HD DVD players will output 1080i (akin to 480i for the first few generations of DVD players), but I would expect in the future players to be able to output 1080p and for thosemonitors that accept and display 1080p.
As Jimmy indicated, the Toshiba LCoS displays 1080p already.
~DVD Guru
Wednesday, July 9, 2003
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HD-DVDs will be encoded in 1080i but progressive scans that upconvert it to 1080p will probably released at the same time. Just for a higher price. I am sure they will soon release a progressive D-VCR that upconverts 1080i D-VHS tapes to 1080p. My guess progressive D-VCRs will be out in 2004. HD-DVDs will be out in 2006.
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
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No one ever mentions D-VCR any more.
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
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posters5 you were so right! And this dates back to 03'! Too funny!
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
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why was this thread revived? lol.
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
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I was hoping for a story as to what happened with D-VCR
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
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Red lasers, blue lasers.........oh hell "Let The Force Be With You" LOL
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
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Jeez,
I didn't look at the original posting date. I thought I was livinng in a time-warp! D-VHS? That one passed me by completely!
I didn't look at the original posting date. I thought I was livinng in a time-warp! D-VHS? That one passed me by completely!
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
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Kungfu, I was also going to ask about D-VHS, since the other day I was looking for the Galaxy Quest DVD on dvdempire, and the D-VHS came up...I was gona ask, how good was the 1080i picture on those??
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
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June 2006
FYI...
> D-VHS - excellent info - looks like the last D-VHS pre-recorded movie was back in 2004.
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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)
> D-VHS - excellent info - looks like the last D-VHS pre-recorded movie was back in 2004.
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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)
