HD-DVD (ON RED LASER)

Im trying to figure something out here...
You remember MiniDVD (Its a function that enables you to produce dvd content into a cd...with limited space...i.e. trailers encoded normally on mpeg-2, 5.1 but on a cd...NOt a SVCD quality disc)
So, is it possible to include lets say...some samples from Windows Media HD Showcase @ 1080i which dont exceed 4.7gb and encode them with a software or smt
and then play them back on a standalone dvd-player and a HD TV that supports 1080i? If Yes How? If No Why?
2nd Q: Can i do the above by just burning the file as it is on the Blank DVD disc and play it back on a dvd player that can play windows Media and a HDTV.

PS. I Think HDDVD Will boost piracy on SD-DVD, simply by the fact you can get i.e. the whole Indiana Jones Trilogy box set (sd-dvd) On 1 disc... now with the multilayered version of blu-ray...u can get the whole bond collection on one disc...mpeg-2 uncompressed! Pure 5.1 dts/dd, How do you think they'll deal with that matter? dont forget...It will be back-compatible.

Btw i noticed smt on play-back of high-def @ 1080 on a pc...while running a file on wmedia player 9 or 10 it wasnt playing that good....it kicked a lot...at a rate that at times u had the impression you are viewing a slideshow...when i played back the same video file on media source (found on SB AUDIGY Drivers) everything was running smoothly!

s_coaster,

There is plenty of software out there that will allow you to put DVD content onto a standard 4.7 DVD-+R and play on a stand alone player. However 1080i is another story entirely. Windows media is the only format I know of currently that allows 1080i, and there are only a hand full of players out there that recognize it. I don't know of any software out there right now that allows you to encode with the WM 1080i format. So I think you're out of luck there. As for your second question... yes, that should be possible, as long as the player can decode WM1080i.

Piracy has been the biggest hurdle for HDDVD in the last year. The movie studios were telling both HDDVD, and Sony's Blue-ray camps that they wouldn't support either format until this issue was taken care of. Being that HDDVD is set to release in the not so distant future, I think they've taken care of this problem. However, if you're talking about HDDVD burners, it shouldn't be an issue either, as you'll have to have an HDDVD stand alone player to play back the discs you burn, or play them on the computer the burner is on. It won't be an issue until HDDVD burners (as well as) HDDVD players are "cheap". Stand alone players are reported to "START" at $900+. Burners are notoriously even more expensive in the beginning, and usually don't show much of a price drop until 2-3 years later. Only the people that can afford both will be a liability in the beginning.

VMD has demonstrated a 20 GB, red laser, VMD player.
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With the exception of "backwards compatibility" Red laser should be forgotten about. Red laser is backwards thinking. Anything that can be done on a Red laser disc, can be done with 3 to 5 times better quality, and with more space, on a Blue laser disc, because of the blue lasers shorter wave length. 8)

- Josh

Thats true, but dont forget, Studios want to make those players "Acceptable", besides i dont want another device just for Hd-dvd,and i believe nobody else does, if its gonna be lets say 500 on the long run, it better play Normal DVD! Plus, red laser IS backward thinking, but was the same with VHS Quality...which absolutely became a 2nd unnofical standart "After" dvd made their debut, with piracy compressing movies to 4.7gb (dvd-9) which sometimes is worse than vhs, and selling them! PLus, bootlegs,"theater cam piracy" are allways crappy, still, people went crazy went they saw Spidey2 on a pirate shelf at the less the half price of the "still to be released in theaters" authentic. A big precentage of dvd users really cant tell piracy from quality, most of people just turn their 30$ player On, load a disc and watch the show!So, for normal people, 3 movies that LOOK much more better than their previews pirate buys, They sound perfect,and they contain all bonus material...is a bargain! (Another thing for backward thinking, dont forget that dvd piracy begin not with dvd-9's but with an even worse source, VCD and SVCD)

S Coaster,

I actually agree with what you're saying about "being accepted", that's why in my last post I wrote "with the exception of backwards compatibility..."

The only reason "people" go nuts over handycam pirated movies is because they're stuck "competing with the Jones'". "Ooooh look, I've got the film on DVD before anyone else!" I say... WHO CARES! It's a crap copy anyway! About the only thing I "might" be jealous of, is a DVD rip of a press release. I happen to have one of those for ROTK (standard Ed) but I didn't distribute it, I did plan on, and am buying the EE, so I don't feel bad about it.

Concerning "red laser", at some point the new players coming out will HAVE TO be rid of it. It just doesn't make sense to keep old technology in a new technology machine, as well as the expense of having 2 lasers. Although I think I do remember reading in "tech news" that they were trying to come up with one "violet" laser that would read both red and blue laser discs, so who knows? :o

- Josh

Actually, its 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, and so on for each one. It builds up to make a big difference.

Violet?

If you were speaking of ULTRA-violet laser, then there would be no need to have the ability to read both red and blue laser media in the first place. An ULTRA-voilet laser can store 1.5 Exibytes on a standard 12 CM compact disc.

Talking about being futuristic! There are 1000 bytes in a kilobyte, a 1000 KB in a megabyte, a 1000 MB in a gigabyte, a 1000 GB in a terabyte, a 1000 TB in a petabyte and a 1000 PB in a exibyte!

There are 4.7 GB on a standard DVD, and 200 GB max on a octolayer Blu-Ray disc. So the storage of 319 million 4.7 GB standard DVDs would fit onto one ULTRA-violet disc, and the storage of 7.5 million 200 GB Blu-Ray octolayer discs would fit onto one ULTA-violet disc!

Screw HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, here comes some true technology. But I doubt that ULTA-violet discs will come to life any time soon, considering the fact that the "industry" enjoys money more then advanced technology.


Dustin

Chrtrptnt is right, it is 1024 bits, to bytes, to MB and on up the chain. I don't remember if the article was talking about just a standard violet, or an ultraviolet ray or not. It's been too long since I've read it. In any case Dustin, if you've been following our discussions on this issue (look in the archives here at DVD Town) you'd know that so far there hasn't been any discussion on any ultraviolet ray players, but that the next technology beyond HDDVD or Blueray, is already figured out. It's called "Ultradefinition". It's supposed to have 5,000 or more scan lines of resolution (roughly the same resolution as regular film has) however, all things being equal, we probably won't see hide nor hair of Ultradefinition until 2012. That's an estimate based off of standard DVD's progress, time in market, and replacement by HDDVD or Blueray.


- Josh

Hey

There are 8 bits in one byte. What I wrote above is rounded to a 1000 bytes (or whatever unit is being applied to it), instead of 1024. This doesn't affect the chain of units.

You can find more information about the ULTRA-violet disc at:

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