Superman Returns Trailer

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...rather catchy (but most teasers are, so...)

EDIT: And check out the video blogs too...they're kinda fun. A nice making of feature with lots of footage:
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Well, it looks interesting, I'll give it that. But, lets hope if they do nothing else, they keep John Williams' score



- Josh :)

"I like Batman as much as the next guy, but everyone knows that if Batman and Superman got in a fight, Superman would break his little toys and make Batman cry like a little girl." -Josh Lambert

Actually, Batman and Superman have fought in the comics and Superman has been beaten by Batman repeatedly (once with a pair of Kryptonite boots). Superman may be all-powerful, but he is a very dim bulb, and Batman may not have any superpowers but he's sharper than a tack. Brain very often beats brawn.

Superman and Superman 2 are arguably two of the best superhero films ever made. Donner's Superman has a high level of corniness to it, but this is no doubt due to the fact that this is where the character was in terms of the context of the late 70's. Pre-crisis Superman, pre-dcu reboot and John Byrne's relaunch of the character. Take a lookat Smallville it draws from BOTH pre and post crisis continuity, and yes the show has a corny side to it, chalk it up his Kansas farm boy upringing. Granted, Superman has always had a distinct appeal fighting for truth, justice and "the american way" (the last which the comics has all but dropped). He's the big blue boy scout and rightly so.

Batman and Superman are like night and day. The big two of the holy trinity of the DCU, there methods and style are so different in comparison. I love them both. I'm a fan of X2 despite a weak ending and from what I've seen from the comic con footage, blue tights and various other sneaks, Singer's take on SR looks damn promising.

I move for a vote of no confidence in Mr. Raynor! VOTE NOW, VOTE NOW, VOTE NOW! :D

Tim,

I like Batman as much as the next guy, but everyone knows that if Batman and Superman got in a fight, Superman would break his little toys and make Batman cry like a little girl. ;) :D



- Josh

Chrtrptnt,

I found Ottman's score for The Usual Suspects was pretty effective. Also, his score for X2 is also a big improvement over Kamen's X-men score.

That said, I don't think he's quite Williams either (though there are many out there who dislike Williams' style)

Saw the same trailer last night during "Smallville". Looks like a hark back to the Superman of old, which I think is good. Let's face it, a Superman movie can never be like Batman Begins cause Supes is all about the goodness in a person that stems from the 50's era while Batman is inherently dark by nature, molded by the death of Wayne's parents, etc. It's good that they kept the theme music, which is so synonymous with the character.

Well, this is only a short clip without any sense of the real story. So it's probably too early to start commenting on the movie.

That has to be the cheesiest trailer I've ever seen! It really makes the movie look dumb, dumb and dumber. It looks like a total remake of the first Superman movie back in the 70's and I can't say I liked that movie very much. I thought the first half of the film was good, but it really went downhill with all the stupid Kent & Superhero cliches. I find the old Superman movie a corney comedy more than anything else, and I hate to say it, I don't like campy superhero films. Give me the realistic approach all the way baby! "Batman Begins" rocks! "Superman" sucks!

Yep, my mind is made up. The trailer gives me the impression of yet another cornball Superman movie. It truly looks like a disaster in the making, and one can only hope it bombs big time. ;)

Tim :D

Williams is credited on imdb for the main theme, but it could just be a bastardization of it. John Ottman is also credited as composer, and nothing on his list of films stands out to me as being memorable.

Chris,

Look on the bright side, at least we agree about Captain Kirk. ;)

Tim :D

"We need Big Blue more than ever!"

IBM?

Since when are truth, justice and the American way outdated ideals? Just because our current government has complete contempt for all standards of decency and morality doesn't mean the rest of us have to give up on it. We need Big Blue more than ever!

Superman is the ultimate immigrant of a new world if you consider that world to be Fantasy Land. To me, this is the main problem with this upcoming film or the ones from years ago, they simply don’t fit the world of today. I’m just not going to buy into some clichéd character that’s all about good old fashioned morals with super strength when it just doesn’t fit into the current culture. The idea of Superman worked fine in an era when Americans were at the subatomic level of the Leave it to Beaver decade. It simply has no realistic value in the new millennium and presents itself as the corniest piece of American culture since the Love Boat.

Tim (crossing my fingers in hopes that this movie will bomb big time) :D

TGP, the same sentiments you share about Batman, I share for Superman. But come on, you're also forgetting some of the great work done on the Smallville series over the last five years combined with Superman I and II which should at least equal the wealth of entertainment to be had by the Bat franchise. They've had an equal number of movies and the latter two for both sucked. There is little doubt in my mind that Superman Returns will be a great film.

While "Superman" wasnt the first word I ever spoke, the ideologies that he upholds and stands for are what I relate to the most. Some might argue that those ideologies are a relic from when he was first created by Shuster and Siegel, so many years ago. And while that might be true for the old Supes, his character is evolving and changing within that ideological framework to better fit with a modern audience. He may not be human in the way Batman is, but he's more human in the way that he holds strong to his hope that the human race can better itself. Can you really go wrong with looking for the best in people? He's the ultimate immigrant in a new land (world).

Batman was redefined by Frank Miller nearly 20 years ago. Byrne did a similar thing with Supes though it didn't have quite the impact as Miller's run (Year One, TDKR). Most recently, books like Ross' "Kingdom Come" and Steven Seagle's "It's a Bird" have done for my love of Superman what Miller's work did for many for the Dark Knight.

Superman and Superman II are great, while Batman, Batman Returns and Batman Begins are great so that's 2-3. Superman Returns looks cool and I will definetly see it (Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor... I'm so there). But I have a very nostalgic connection to Batman. Batman was my first word for God's sake and I have the Batman and Batman Returns original movie posters behind my bedroom door. I'll always have more respect for Batman because he's more human, more vulnerable and much more intelligent than Superman (Superman does not have super intelligence guys, sorry). However, I will always love those first two Superman movies and Chris Reeve was a BADASS. I look forward to the new Superman flick.

They've dropped the "American Way" if you read any of the latest Supes stuff, you'll see that, especially after they elect Lex as President in the books, which occured around the same time Bush took office... hmm.

And Chris, it's Booster Gold, not Blue Beetle.

Dang I love this site! Where else can you have a discussion like this (with intelligent people, mind you) and get away with it?! This thread feels like it could be a discussion going on in someone's den. You know... bean bag chairs, pool table. ;)

Tim, you're a riot!


Chris,

What about "Ursa" in 2? She's not the hottest babe that ever lived, but there's just something about her. ;)

By the way, Superman came out when I was 4, and for the longest time, I missunderstood "General Zod's" line as: "YOU WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE ME JOR-EL! BOTH YOU, AND SOME DAY... YOUR A$$!!" Shortly after repeating that to my parents and having my mouth washed out with soap, I learned he said "heirs". Was it just me? :D


- Josh

Oh, Tim, just when I thought we were starting to agree on so many things...

Superman and Superman 2 are still the head of the class as far as superhero movies go. Spidey 2 and X-Men 2 are worthy as well, but nothing compares to the original Superman movies. Chris Reeve could do wonders with a mere change of posture. The first film has some problems - I don't really like Gene Hackman's take on Lex Luthor, but the movie is still great in large part because Margot Kidder (not the world's greatest actress overall, but very good here) was the first person to ever make Lois Lane a real character.

Superman 2 has General Zod, and that makes it the best superhero movie ever.

Superman 3 - well, it has "drunk Superman" and that's worth something.

Superman 4 never happened, and damn any of you who claim otherwise.

Hello, can we come back down to Earth? My comparison has nothing to do with Superman Vs. Batman in the sense of comics. Personally, I could care less who’s got what power, brains, brawn or whatever; I’m talking about the fine art of filmmaking. I can’t stand the old Superman movies because they reek of wooden acting, corny dialog, and just plain too silly to digest. Not to mention, the special effects are a freaking riot to watch today. In my opinion, Superman I and II are two of the worst superhero films ever made and I’m certainly not looking forward to the next director in line to feed us the next cheese-ball fest from Wisconsin.

Truth, Justice and the American Way! Please, give me a freaking break! For the love of Pete, is it possible the Bush administration produced this new Superman?

Tim (literally rolling on the floor laughing my freaking ass off):D:D:D:D

Erik & Chris,

I'm glad to see there are still a few diehard Superman fans out there. Mostly I'm a fan of the movies. I never did get into the comics that much. If a friend had the latest copy, I'd read it, but it was when Chris Reeve dawned the blue & red suit that I was sold. The guy just personified everything that was good about Superman to me. I guess in a lot of ways comics were lost on me because I was spoiled with color TV, movies, and cartoons as a kid. It wasn't until I was in my late teens that I discovered the amazing artwork by the likes of Stan Lee, Chris Clairmont, and Frank Miller.

Oh, and Chris... If you're too old to have "if Superman fought..." discussions, you're just that... TOO OLD! I don't think any of us wants to get that old. :D


TGP,

I think I'd have to agree with Chris on this one. The artists that came up with those comics where Superman is being beaten down by Batman, were obviously written by "Bat" fans. Ability to ability, there's just no contest. Like I said, don't get me wrong, I DO like Batman, and more than anything, I was just trying to bust Tim's chopps a bit, but, c'mon now... super speed, super strength, super agility, etc. but no super intelligence? You don't think Superman learned from all the times he went up against the super genius "Lex" (whom tried every trick in the book) to use Kryptonite on him? I don't buy it. Ability to ability, Batman gets thumped every time. ;)



- Josh

I always felt the writers were reaching desperately when they have Batman prevail against Supes. Let's face it, if Superman wasn't taking it easy, all he'd have to do is zip in at light speed and slap Batman's head clean into next Sunday. Comic book writers just have a soft spot for the regular guys. Marvel always has Captain America win in ridiculous mismatches just because, y'know, he's Cap and he's the man.

When I was really young, I liked Superman better than Batman. Then as a teenager, I went with the Bat because he's all dark and brooding. Now that i am older and wiser (*ahem*), I appreciate Supes more than ever. All I really hope is that I never get old enough that I'm embarrassed to be talking about which one of the two I like better.

Erik, who's the other member of the DCU trinity? Can't be Wonder Woman - chicks don't count! It's Blue Beetle, right? :)

Wow, there's a tough one. Captain Kirk vs. Superman. Supes is invulnerable, but nobody has ever found a successful counter to Kirk's patented double-legged kick. At the very least, Kirk would nail both Lois Lane and Lana Lang and probably Lori Lemaris too before Superman could finally beat him.

"cheese-ball fest from Wisconsin."

You sir, have obviously never been to an authentic Wisconsin Cheese-Ball Festival. They are, to be blunt, the finest thing ever to grace this earth. :p

The general concensus is that Batman can beat Superman if he has time to prepare. A great example is the fight in the "Hush" series from earlier this century. It was one of the first comics I read since hitting puberty (it was on sale in an airport terminal and I really didn't want to read a book) and it got me hooked on the artform again.

All that having been said, as much as I love what Singer did with X-Men, I'm not holding my breath here. I love Superman and Superman 2, but I still don't think Routh is right for the role.