Re: Did Blu-ray score a goal in own net with BD+?

Isn't the BDPS300 Sony's stand-alone Blu-ray player? In any case, if it is, it's nice to know that their discs at least play on their own players.

John

i really don't get why manufacturers keep supporting blu-ray. the technology works best with sony hardware, especially the PS3. the PS3 is cheaper than all of the stand-alone blu-ray players, which means that people inclined to buy into blu-ray will probably give their money to sony rather than the other guys.

i wonder if BD+ also prevents people from watching "rise of the silver surfer" on uber-expensive pioneer elites? imagine paying $1000-plus only to be told by a $30 disc that you're out of luck. LOL.

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[Post edited by posters5 on Oct 3, 2007 - CDT 7:01 PM]

Johnson 316 wrote, "Forget Jurassic Park or Jaws or even Back to the Future. Timecop. Because nothing says "buy me" to those day after Christmas consumers like Timecop. Yeah, if this doesn't indicate that Universal's catalog is beginning to run a little thin to those you who still own HD, then what will?"

The bourne ultimatum is coming out december 11. That is the movie that posters was referring to. So too bad for you if you don't care about one of the best action/spy movies ever made. Fortunately, the millions of people who went to see it in theaters this summer world-wide won't have that same problem this Christmas. Who knows? We may even get lucky and see The Kingdom by this year's end as well.

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[Post edited by chemteam on Oct 3, 2007 - CDT 7:09 PM]

I realize that many of us are not that interested in the "supplimental wonders" that have to use the Java software. However, when I have to wait 2 minutes and 20 seconds to see the opening screen of Fantastic Four :the Silver Surfer, it leaves me wondering what the big deal is. The same happens with both of the "Caribbean" movies. I am using the newest Sony player - which I do like (at least it does play my CDs!!) and it far surpasses the Samsung 1000 which I got in June of 2006... So far my library of 392 High Definition discs [240 HD-DVD and 130 Blu=ray] I have had 9 Blu-rays returned for not playing (the latest that totally froze up was "Dave Matthews ..at Radio City". Now that is with new BR player. Of the HD-DVD discs I had to return only one of that entire total for not playing correctly.
That camp has got to get their act together - they constantly change things in the middle and make new discs that need new players - and the upgrades are on disc and not easy to come by.
By the way, all that extra space they talk about is needed because they are using files that take much more space, and note that the "uncompressed PCM is often at 16 or 20 bits which is CD strength or slightly more..... and Mpeg 2 is a large file (Mpeg 4 much better, but VC1 even more compact for the same picture quality....
Who is fooling who?

This is from highdefdigest.com

"Calls placed to both Samsung and LG customer support revealed that both manufacturers are aware of the issue, and that both are working on firmware updates to correct it. Samsung promised a firmware update within "a couple" weeks, while LG said an update is expected in 3-4 days.'

It is great news that they are working on a upgrade. The point though is that they made a disc that requires a firmware upgrade to even play.

Some people just don't have the skills or Internet connection to install firmware upgrades. This means that they have to take their expensive hardware back to the store and wait for several weeks for a return. That, or wait for weeks on a disc from the manufacture and install that.

Now, that might work once a year to get the main updates but imagine that this needs to be done on a regular basis to keep up with hackers. This just don't work. My guess is that you will see a hacked BD+ disc on the Internet within weeks. DRM is simply not the right weapon to fight piracy. However, that is another discussion.

We will have to wait and see until Fox comes with a comment on what have been the specific cause of the error.

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[Post edited by Henning on Oct 4, 2007 - CDT 11:07 AM]

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Some people just don't have the skills or Internet connection to install firmware upgrades.

If you're going to make that claim, then people aren't going to be smart enough to use the internet features on HD DVD discs, either. The ability to buy products they see in movies, for instance, that Universal is now touting would mean squat. Somehow I think three clicks on the remote to get the firmware upgrade is easier than entering credit card information or whatever else is required to buy Steve Carrell's shoes from Evan Almighty.

I will agree with the overall point that the disc should have been working from the get go. Some one/multiple some one's really dropped the ball on this. (Part of me thinks, though, that being an early adopter with a new piece of tech like BD+ this is part of the price we all pay.)

I agree with the special features. The solution? Just don't use them.

The main issue here is that the movie doesn't work.

Also, every time someone makes a new DRM system I get scared. What it basically means is that rights are taken away from the consumer and given to the company behind the content.

Instead of rewarding those who buy movies legally they make it more difficult and give them extra headaches. Not the right way to reward someone who have paid up-to $40 for a movie.

The music industry has finally learned this and are rolling out DRM free music like never before. Why? Because it makes it easier for the consumer and gives him choice which ultimately results in more sales.

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Instead of rewarding those who buy movies legally they make it more difficult and give them extra headaches. Not the right way to reward someone who have paid up-to $40 for a movie.

Now thats the truth. I dont copy or steal movies. But I am smart enuff to know that it dosent matter what these companies do they wont stop bootlegging. But it seems that the people that like tech are the once that suffer for for there new copy protection.

As for adopting the new tech I have both Hddvd and a Bluray player. As a consumer and a tech head Hdvd camp seems to have prepared better for there release than the Bluray camp.

Final thought: I think this battle will be won by people not on this fourm but with peoples pocket books. I beleive the first camp to get a player to the 150.00 mark will win. As it stands right now that is the HDdvd camp. I think if the sell alot of units this quater WB will stop being neutral. Just my thoughts

Henning,

Absolutely this is a problem because the movie can't be played. I'd never argue it's not. There were two options for Fox, assuming they knew about this before the disc hit the street.

1) Delay the BD release, thereby making BD fanbois upset and HD fanbois cheer in the street because Fox isn't actively supporting the format.

2) Release the disc and work with the player manufacturers to get a firmware update online as soon as possible.

There's a lot we still don't know about this release. When official word comes from Fox about what they did or did not know, I'll be more than happy to string them up, if deserved.

Jason