90,000 HD DVD players sold in one weekend

verrry niiice

Darn near a tenth of a million! Not bad for one weekend.

[Post edited by JPSofCA on Nov 7, 2007]

good news, good news indeed. I also have a hard time imagining the HD-A3 price staying at $199 for long. I bet we see it at $150 by the end of the year and we already know the chinese brand (what is it, Venturer?) will be sub-$200 this christmas as well. With all the free movies and rebates floating around, its hard to see BluRay having a good quarter in comparison.

Ok, not bad, but we need at least one more thread on selling the A2 for under $100. I just don't know how this site will function without at least three or four threads on the same topic. Ok then, which fanboy would like to go start it?

Hey Tim,
I'll chime in. What do you think those 90,000 units added up to in losses?
I personally think that if anything it will equate to more disc sales in q1 2008 as many of those players will be under the tree.

Remember Sexy-Tim. the thread gets started once some one replys to the story.

now.. yes. that dont mean your little pals wont create another one. maybe they dont like this one.

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now.. yes. that dont mean your little pals wont create another one. maybe they dont like this one.

Or they could be autistic . . .

Yes, enought with this, some of us did buy, some of us did not (I did)...

[Post edited by bubbachair on Nov 7, 2007]

tim, maybe these jokers all look like loverboy.



remember, no child left behind, no matter how low we have to set standards. (Y)

Please remember, someone only willing to spend $99 on a player is not likely to shell out $25-40 per disc on new titles.

If HD-DVD wants to survive, they need to drop the 'Combo Format' idea and lower the price of thier discs to the $10-20 range, and not just catalog titles, but new releases. But things are definitly getting interesting.

I just wonder if Toshiba is actually making money...

hey,
First off, I would jsut like to introduce myself. I've been following this site and using it for HD DVD news for quite some time now. I just decided to get an account (Don't ask me why it took so long, I have no excuse) so I could finally respond to some of the stories. I own a HD DVD player along with 20 or so HD DVDs.

Now, back on topic...

These are incredible and exciting numbers. You also must realize that the majority of these stores sold out amazingly fast. What this means is that many people who were not able to get their hands on the HD DVD player are now aware and looking for other sales. This $98 dollar sale really brought home the name and idea of HD DVD to the mainstream. However, I myself have been looking at purchasing a PS3. I love movies and watch them avidly, but my true love reamin in video games. The new 399 PS3 is an extremly good deal for a blu ray player. I'm sure many of you are informed about this, but if you're not than the cliff note version is this: Sony is selling a 40 GB PS3 packaged with Spiderman 3 on blu ray. This PS3 is also elidgable for the 5 free blu ray offer.
I love HD DVD and will always support them. It looks like they are really serious about pulling ahead this holiday season and these sales figures support that. However, Sony is really playing hardball and is not going to lay down anytime soon. It will be interestinig

Plus... that stupid Pixar collection is comming out on blu ray and that alone is enough to warrant a $400 purchase from me.

90,000! Woo hoo! That's great news.

Like I posted earlier, the clerk from walmart told me not one person bought a HD movie when they were getting their $98 A2s last week. Selling 90,000 players is great, but it means little to bringing in additonal studio support if no one is purchasing software.

Johnson, i have a pal that works in walmart. and one in BB and i constantly ask.. so i see what you mean. not really many sales.. however the list of titles isnt good at all specially at Walmart or target as it has been mentioned before. alittle better in BB for me

I constantly visit these stores because of girftcards i get from work for BB target and walmart... and i have trouble finding what to buy. most of the small amount of titles they have, i either already bough or got as freebies.

I but most my titles online, because they are cheaper, and because they have options. and save the cards for when theres a new release, usually priced the same online.

I also rent HD online before i buy.

[Post edited by kucoloco on Nov 7, 2007]

What a waste ... the HD-A2 doesn't even do 1080p ... see CNET's review here:
http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/toshiba-hd-a2/4505-6463_7-32074340.html

It's obvious that HD DVD is dumping a low end product in a desperate attempt to prolong it's inevitable defeat.

Inspite of Transformers ... Shrek the 3rd, and other well known titles, HD DVD is STILL being outsold by Blu-ray 2:1 ... what does this mean? Even with a lower price tag HD DVD still can't compete.

This holiday season will see Blu-ray thoroughly crush HD DVD ... and by the end of 2008 this war will be over with both PS3 dominating the 360 and Blu-ray will be the sole Hi Def format of choice.

http://blu-raystats.com/percentages.php

bubblebathgirl, it's not such a waste when you consider there are more 720p/1080i sets out there [like mine] than 1080p. It would be a waste to spend extra $ on a 1080p player without an HDTV to accomodate.

They aren't dumping crap on us, theiy're providing choices...something the competition doesn't do much of.

What a waste ... the HD-A2 doesn't even do 1080p ... see CNET's review here:
http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/toshiba-hd-a2/4505-6463_7-32074340.html

It's obvious that HD DVD is dumping a low end product in a desperate attempt to prolong it's inevitable defeat.

Inspite of Transformers ... Shrek the 3rd, and other well known titles, HD DVD is STILL being outsold by Blu-ray 2:1 ... what does this mean? Even with a lower price tag HD DVD still can't compete.

This holiday season will see Blu-ray thoroughly crush HD DVD ... and by the end of 2008 this war will be over with both PS3 dominating the 360 and Blu-ray will be the sole Hi Def format of choice.

http://blu-raystats.com/percentages.php

Please feel free to go back a year or so and read all the threads on why this makes absolutely no difference if you have a 1080p TV that properly deinterlaces. If your TV doesn't do that then it probably doesn't matter what the heck you feed it.

Any way you slice it selling in one weekend what the top selling BR player from Sony "shipped" in an entire year is a positive thing. Spin it any way you like.

Also the 2-1 sales days are long behind us. Oh and S3 didn't beat Transformers or so I hear so HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE. Must be a blip in the space time continuum (Spelling Eddie?)

Some that I have heard and enjoyed (other than your 1080p one) so far are:
* Fire sale (So what more sales please, Sony can fire sale the PS3 for a year Tosh can clear our inventory to make room for new models)
* How much are they losing. (Well no one knows and they might not even be losing, but to put it in perspective, even if each one cost $200 to make Toshiba could five away 5,000,000 and still just approach the billion that the Sony PS3 lost in the last quarter from what I hear.
*What happens when JQP tries a "blue" one in his new player? Well what happens when he tries a red one in his BR player? DUH.
*No one will be buying movies for it for any number of reasons. For example that $99 was the last hundred they have to their name so they spent it on a player rather than food and will just use it for decoration. If its a Christmas gift then what makes you think they wouldn't (or family wouldn't) buy movies to go with it? Or if not then someone somewhere is buying a lot of movies Dec 26th+.
*They are bad cause they are cheap. Hahaa. If Walmart had a sale of $10,000 2008 Porsche 911's would you call them cheap or just a crazy good deal.
*On an on and on. I would still have to put my vote on the best being the ones who don't even get their facts straight before posting like the above poster.

The whole thing has become so little about fact and so much about mud slinging, BS and pure debate regardless of facts that I hardly ever even bother any more.

Any BR supporter who doesn't go neutral at these prices is missing the boat as far as I am concerned. I said way back that I would go neutral for a v1.1 preferable Dual format player under $400 or $500, but heck I would grab pretty much anything at the $100 price point if it actually worked even if it wasn't v.1.1 if it had ever occurred to me that their may be a BR player in that price range. I would be crazy not to. At that price point I do not believe there is any risk. Worse case I would get a decent up scaling BR / DVD player for the bedroom.

Just thought I would say hi.

Cheers,

Richard

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Despite these differences with test patterns, however, we found it difficult to find any noticeable difference with program material. We checked out the difficult Chapter 9 from Aeon Flux, for example, and both players looked the same on the Samsung TV. It's safe to say that with most HDTVs, the differences between the appearance of HD DVD discs at 1080i and at 1080p will be slight.

Hey bubbles,

Read the article. It is NOT a low end product. You simply focused only on what you WANTED to read and you took that out of context. Your comments are simply plain 'ol, run of the mill, BD bs propaganda which is repeated over and over and over and over....forever!!! There is NO apparent picture differences between 1080i and 1080p on a screen under 60." Period. End of discussion. I am soooooooo tired of you bd folks twisting information around. It's getting real tiring.

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. . . which is repeated over and over and over and over....forever!!!

Yeah, kind of like all the threads on HD DVD.

Blububblebathgirl said -

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"What a waste ... the HD-A2 doesn't even do 1080p ..."

FYI -

1080p = High Definition 1080 lines-progressive
1080i = High Definition 1080 lines-interlaced
720p = High Definition 720 lines-progressive
480p = Enhanced Standard Definition 480 lines-progressive
480i = NON-enhanced Standard Definition 480 lines-interlaced

With a good hi-def player and/or TV display processing chip, 1080p will not look any better than 1080i (except during some scenes of vary fast-moving images) - and most people cannot tell the difference with the naked eye.

Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)

RROSEN, Great post

Steve I agree with you. Unfortunately the bluray camp is so desperate they are resorting to tactics like getting people to post BS bluray propaganda like the delusional poster that somehow thinks the PS3 will someday sell more then the XBOX (ya right). This is the kind of thing that regular people read and believe as truth meanwhile you're gonna have a lot of pissed off people with very expensive bluray players on their hands when HD DVD wins. I seriously wonder if this time, when yet another Sony format loses for like the tenth time (brutal record) if the consumers will actually launch a class action lawsuit against them as they should. There has been so much flase information from the bluray camp from the beginning that I think they would have a very strong case.

I have to give props to the Blu-people, at least they have the guts to come in here and ruffle the feathers of the HD fanboys. It certainly adds spice to the MB, which it so desperately needs. It's nice to see some heated debate rather than watching the HD fanboy club pat their selves on the back all day.

Right on tim ! btw falcon, just for the sake of the argument, what lies Sony has fed about BD? i don't want emotional rant against Sony but more specifics that were lies per se. you can point me to links if there are articles on the web

nice to see the bd camp panicing so much, hd dvd is far from dead and they are beginng to realise this.
i for one dont want a player that has rewritable media playback crippled on sony's say so, or wont be able to do the pic in pic trick on thhe so called superior players that only have one video encoder to play it on, let alone the about to be cracked bd+

dont have those problems with hd dvd, at least that worked right from the off, not half baked as bd still is......
there are a few titles on bd that i wouldnt mind havig, but seeing as my preffered manufacturer is short sighted ill just stick to the dvd version of it
so 90,000 in a weekend means nothing compared to 100,00 in five months that sony struggle to sell?, not to mention a drastically underperforming ps3....ther future is red

Sigh, seriously you want me to do all that research? It's been pretty well documented and believe me I'm not being emotional

Tummy, BD+ has already been cracked. Let me guess you want a link to that article also?

[Post edited by Falcon01 on Nov 7, 2007]

give me 2 instances without doing any research..

hd-dvd is also cracked but it just shows that two formats have their share of shortcomings (from studios perspective)..

Falcoln01 said -

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"I seriously wonder if this time, when yet another Sony format loses for like the tenth time (brutal record) if the consumers will actually launch a class action lawsuit against them as they should. There has been so much flase information from the bluray camp from the beginning that I think they would have a very strong case."

Oh pleeeaassseee. I seriously recommend some counseling sessions with Dr. Raynor ASAP!

Perhaps those Apple iPhone owners have a "stronger case" - huh? That 4gb iPhone was $499 to $599 earlier this summer, and then just 2 months later Apple releases a 8gb model for a lower $399 retail price. Should Apple get sued from these "early adopters" overpaying?

Whether Blu-ray wins the "format war" or not, Sony will keep Blu-ray alive for a loooooooonnnnnnnnnggg time (especially computer Blu-ray drives), so all of this "another failed format" speculation is unwarranted - although of course I want you to accept my own speculations!

-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)

falcon --

u will love this -- http://midwestgeek.blogspot.com/2006/09/top-10-lies-by-sony-road-to-ps3-launch.html

But there is this --
Warning: The Content in this Article May be InaccurateReaders have reported that this story contains information that may not be accurate.

[Post edited by rpruthee on Nov 7, 2007]

it has been cracked?...i heard it was on the way...if you have the link please....

This is great for either side more players = more buyers = a drop in the price of the HDDVD disk.

I wonder how many dvd players sold last week.................This Format has a long way to go and its far from over..

Hey StevePro... You just lost your Pro status... you will be from here on end referred to as SteveAm until you redeem yourself

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There is NO apparent picture differences between 1080i and 1080p on a screen under 60." Period.

This is such a twist of words... NO APPARENT difference. Apparent to whom, Ray Charles? Stevie Wonder? Listen The flicker between p an i is horrible different durring static, NON MOVING images, which is contrary to what Hendrix said:

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With a good hi-def player and/or TV display processing chip, 1080p will not look any better than 1080i (except during some scenes of vary fast-moving images) - and most people cannot tell the difference with the naked eye.

P an I will look similar during motion, but not during slow moving static scenes.

And i salesman who tells you that there is no difference should be placed in the land fill right next to his A2 - especially if he says that a good de-interlace chip will solve his issues. Actually he should be shot by a consumer, but promoted by his bosses. 1080i is GONE BYE BYE... Hence the A2 dump. I'd be shocked if Tosh or anyone else released a future player without P support.

Bottom Line: De-interlacing drastically reducese the fluiditiy of the original source image.

Let's be fanboys (and girls) but lets try to be honest. And if you were trying to be honest, then I apologize, but those are the FACTS.

rrroooseebud..
95% of items sold at walmart is GARBAGE. Give me one item of QUALITY that is channelled through there.

Any deals with WALMART are deals with the devil. It's like inviting a vampire into your home. Walmart is there to push product, and

Take this image

That our good friend Tim posted for example.

This is a picture of the electronics department at Walmart. The Bulldozer is driven by Toshiba, and those seagulls up above? those were the drones of people last Friday trying to get a 99 dollar player - Circling from pile to pile (or store to store), looking for a good piece of rubbish.

this topic has gotten better as the pages go on.

rpruthee go to Google and type this in...sony lies. You get a load of information including this little number which I cannot view at work cause they have blocked youtube...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wzmf0ChL24

Seriously there is so much information about the deceptice practises of Sony, especially with regards to bluray and also the PS3. Of course this is the internet and you can't believe everything you read so take it with a grain of salt but theres also a lot of truth there.

Also I'll state once again I actually was a fan of Sony tv's and I was very excited about bluray before all this started. Sonys tactics and the way they tried to con us about both bluray and the PS3 has completely turned me off from them.

Hey Falco,
It must be true.. I mean... It's on YouTube... Oprah is on Youtube too.. Youtube is the gosple

falcon --
u are missing the point. give me 2 examples where you as a consumer felt cheated by sony. don't give me all horse talk to do a google search etc.. i pasted a link for you to see the top 10 lies from sony. but that is not what i am looking.. i am from you when you felt cheated by sony.. can u do it?

Listen to the fanboy spout their damage control

Fact is, this player plays HD movies for a fraction of the cost of the competition. @ $99, what do you expect? To even step into the competition's format, you have to invest in a $400 player (that doesn't even include hi-def cables even though they said the HD era starts when they say it does. CLASSIC!

Blu the information is out there, what can I say. A lot of the information has been written by professional editors, industry professionals, etc. Blu you can contest til the Moose shows up at your door but it's not gonna change anything in blurays favor.

By the way the Toronto Maple Leafs, which do wear blue as you stated, haven't won the cup since 1967. Thats 40 years buddy. The last time Sony has won anything was when? Kinda ironic isn't it?

This is a great forum the people on both sides of this debate a great....

As for Sony lieing they use tact that are intresting when it comes to lauching new products that can seem to be streching the truth lol but everyone does it. But from a personal note if you dont buy their top of the line product their warranty services sucks... and so do their laptop batteries lol

As for the Walmart comment I dont like their stores but they sell BluRay players also.. Does that mean they are junk to lol.

As for cracking any thing neither on of these companies should ever say they are uncrackable.. NOTHING IS UNCRACKABLE

SO to all early adopters this is far from over until one of these companies can produce a unit for under a 100.00 all the time the only people that will care is us the early adopters....

I also think Microsoft is still waiting for a digital download said it before will say it again..

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1080i is GONE BYE BYE... Hence the A2 dump. I'd be shocked if Tosh or anyone else released a future player without P support.

Announcing...the Toshiba HD A3!

Really, as a 1080i set and HD DVD player owner, I'll be the first to admit a progressive picture will look as much less transparent (on a 1080p HDTV) in 1080p over 1080i as a 480p picture looks (on HDTV) over 480i. That's the difference between "i" and "p" is with every other line in "i" mode when undrawn gives the effect of transparency, that's pretty much it. 480p looks solid, 480i looks see-through but only on a higher resolution set...on a 480i screen it looks solid, but it's still basically the same quality.

As long as there are 720p/1080i HDTVs, there should remain a 1080i player until cost is low enough for the consumer not to care about paying for "p" when not needed. Just like why worry about not having HDMI v1.3 if your TV doesn't support Enhanced Color or your receiver has no built-in CODECs that your player doesn't already do...just settle for the color you've got and send the audio decoded by the player as PCM audio through HDMI 1.2 or lesser.

I suppose I blew my money on my HDTV because I didn't get one with a memory stick slot even though nothing I've ever owned has had one? We aren't all as elite as yourself.

@ rpruthee:

Examples of feeling cheated by Sony? Really? That's so easy. I personally invested in Minidisc and had NO CLUE at the time that it was just Sony trying to force it's own format. It flopped, I wasted money. Lots of it to make me somewhat bitter. I was also forced to buy a Sony Memory Stick at TWICE THE COST of a SD memory card. UMDs? I was aware of how much screwage was present with UMD movies, so I stayed FAR AWAY. They flopped as well...

With the PS3 - It's simple. They said it's the only "hi-def" game console yet didn't even include a hi-def cable. They said they put in Blu-Ray solely for richer game experience first and movies second, yet every PS3 version of a game is worse and the first party titles show no justification for the extra space. They said dual monitor, nada. They said the hardware is so much more advanced than the competition, yet games have shown opposite. One of the funniest is how they stuck it to MS for the 360 not being fully backwards compatible and promised the PS3 would be FULLY backwards compatible... and now they have a machine that is completely NOT backwards compatible. The list goes on. If you don't read gaming news constantly, you may end up going into Walmart and buying a $400 console that turns out refuses to play your PS2 games. Not cool, especially when you sold your PS2 to put money towards your PS3.

[Post edited by Cellien on Nov 7, 2007]

I wouldn't call the A2 rubbish. And it's a satisfactory machine, depending on the needs and wants of the individual. I wouldn't have it be the centerpiece of my entertainment center, but that's just me.

Cellien --

I hear you dude. I have a miniDisc player as well with few MDs lying around somewhere. You will have to admit that iPod in 2002 effectively killed MD. No one at time imagined iPod will rock ! UMD and Memory stick are other bad examples. But this does not mean that Sony lied about its products. If you have to buy Sony's Mem Stick and you don't like it then don't buy. I stopped buying Sony's products because of this. They tie you in. Consumers don't research well and then they get buyers remorse. Few years ago, I bought a Bose HT system. 2 years after using it I came to know that it does not decode DD. I was pissed and mad as hell. Later I realised that it was my fault of not doing research properly. Infact I lied to myself. Bose didn't lie to me about the product.

Of couse many people have different experiences at different levels - some are exaggerated and some are real.

I agree with you on Ps3. But I believe there are some good game down the road for Ps3 - Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, FF XII. 360 had a similar problem with the games in first year.

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Also I'll state once again I actually was a fan of Sony tv's and I was very excited about bluray before all this started. Sonys tactics and the way they tried to con us about both bluray and the PS3 has completely turned me off from them.

falcon that makes two of us..

rpruthee asking for reasons that have been discussed tons of times is retarded. but Cellien
did what falcon and I were too lazy to do. thanks Cellien

may i also add i wanted the a2 for a smalled tv. so who cares about 1080p. also wanted the a3 for a not so small but not so big bedroom tv, so once again there goes 1080p. for my main entertainment room, you save the big stuff.

rpruthee in the near future, i would like to speak to you regarding the 1.1 discs, and you not being able to play them on your current $400+ hardware.

PS3 pushed 55,000 units last week. They're over 5.5 million now..

Last week, 420,000 BD's were sold... Yes that's right 420,000 BD's

Each one a royalty for Sony... Yes, those 420,000 Units DO NOT INCLUDE MOVIES...

http://www.blu-raystats.com/amazonstats.php?OrderBy=SalesRank

http://www.hddvdstats.com/amazonstats.php?OrderBy=SalesRank

Compare the Amazon sales ranking stats ... Blu-ray has more in the top 10, more in the top 100, more in the top 1000.

Compare the sales percentages:
http://www.blu-raystats.com/percentages.php
http://www.hddvdstats.com/percentages.php

Blu-ray STILL commands a 2:1 lead.

I love how people try to rationalize worse technology also ... 1080p is far superior to 1080i, in fact 720p is much better then 1080i to start with. A player that doesn't support 1080p is "old" technology.

If HD DVD wants to do anything to help themselves they should sell 1080p players at discount prices ... that said, it still doesn't matter cause Blu-ray has a majority of all of the studio's backing it:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/studios.php

If you want to try and convince me that HD DVD is selling better over all then Blu-ray then provide a link that proves it ... but I know you won't be able to cause I already provided the link that shows the actual sales for Blu-ray vs HD DVD in the US.

So right now, HD DVD is losing. Player wise there is no way HD DVD can compete with the many millions that Sony has already sold. Because Sony chose to put the Blu-ray player in the PS3, it simply has too much of an advantage over HD DVD.

I suggest you all pay attention to the stats before you say anything. Check back here every week to see how the holiday season is going:
http://www.blu-raystats.com/percentages.php
http://www.hddvdstats.com/percentages.php

Based on the above stats, Blu-ray is winning.

[Post edited by bubblebathgirl on Nov 7, 2007]

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rpruthee in the near future, i would like to speak to you regarding the 1.1 discs, and you not being able to play them on your current $400+ hardware.

-- kucoloco

what about it? are you talking about the BD+ problem in FF 2. If so then I was not affected by it because i don't watch crappy movies on my PS3. PS3 was not affected. Other BD players were fixed by a firmware update. not a big deal considering the fact that toshiba that is fair share of firmware updates to fix the issues with combos. oh did i mention that the first generation could not decode trueHD for first few weeks. oh that was bad.

[Post edited by rpruthee on Nov 7, 2007]

I find it comical about doing the search for "Sony Lies" on Google. I did the same for "Toshiba Lies" and it also returned a boat-load. You know what that tells me? You fanboys take this way too serious and continue to push it way over the top.

"PS3 pushed 55,000 units last week. They're over 5.5 million now..."

Actually, Sony shipped 5.5 million PS3s world-wide and sold about 3.6 million of them. About 1.7 million of these they sold in the U.S.

John

[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Nov 7, 2007]

http://www.vgchartz.com

Bubblebathgirl, I find it funny that some of the links you provide look like they were created at the last minute. I read somewhere that the bluray camp was resorting to these tactics but I didn't think it was actually true

Good ol' bluray propoganda if anything its very entertaining. All these new members that have joined this forum in the last couple of weeks spewing bluray propoganda...just in time to try and minimize the momentum HD DVD is getting with Paramount/Dreamworks going HD DVD exclusive and the HD DVD players selling for $99.

For shits and giggles, here's what you get when you search for Blu-ray sucks:
http://www.google.com/search?gbv=2&hl=en&q=blu-ray+sucks

And now for HD DVD sucks:
http://www.google.com/search?gbv=2&hl=en&q=HD+DVD+sucks&btnG=Search

Can you see how pointless you fanboys are being, or do you require more evidence?

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/11012.cfm

Falcon01,

What do you mean the links were created at the last minute? Are you insane or taking crazy pills perhaps?

This site collects the actual data from Amazon sales:
http://www.blu-raystats.com/faq.shtml

It's funny that all you can do is blabber but when it comes to providing cold hard facts you have none to back you up. This is typical of someone that is losing ... they don't talk about the facts or the numbers ... go to the Amazon site and check for yourself which format is ranked higher.

If you need other links Google them yourself and you'll see that Blu-ray is winning. Here's another recent article from October 26, 2007, and another from October 23, 2007:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/tags/show/Disc_Sales
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSN2352882020071023?sp=true

Where are your links disputing what I'm saying? There are none, cause they don't exist. HD DVD is losing, Blu-ray is winning.

Just deal with it.

[Post edited by bubblebathgirl on Nov 7, 2007]

The blu shills refuse to see the true issues with their format. The biggest issue is it is not finished. You should be getting paid for being a beta tester.

Just because 5 million people bought a PS3 does not mean they are watching movies on them. Look at the attach rate that alone proves that. Surveys have found that something like 60% of PS3 owners don't even know there is a BD player in there. Good marketing there. Blu or red you have admit that if the war as you call it did not exist you would be paying much more for the hardware and movies.

I wonder how long it is going to take for Sony to start locking disks to players. They have a patent for that but I'm sure you will dance around that.

Funny how blu shills rip HD about load times yet the new disney movies have a screen saying the disk may take a few minutes to load. So much for that argument.

Then there are profiles of BD. You won't be able to play the extras on the disks that are 1.1 with every player that is on the market right now. The response from blu fans is that's ok who really cares about extras. Then when the story of the Jack Ryan no extras became news the BD people jump on that as I'd be pissed without extras. What a bunch of hypocrites make up your mind.

Sex-Tim you're a riot!

i was bugging the blueray kids because you werent around. and work was slow.. extremely slow. basically just got payed 8 hrs of work to post here, and buy crap on ebay. (IT support) lol I guess nothing broke

SGD, post links to support your claims or no one will believe you ... it's just that simple.

No one has yet to counter the sales figure stats that I have provided which prove Blu-ray is substantially winning.

Picture sound of a calm wind:

bubblebathgirl,

I don't think anyone is challenging the fact that Blu-ray has more players in U.S. homes. There are about 1.7 million PS3s and another 100,000 stand-alone players in the U.S. as opposed to about 600,000 stand-alone HD DVD players and about 100,000 Xbox add-ons. So, it's about 1.8 million to 700,000 at the moment, Sony's favor, give or take.

But you do want to keep the statistics honest. The 5.5 million number you threw out was for total PS3 units shipped world-wide, of which 3.6 have sold world-wide, about 1.7 million of them in the U.S. You have to admit, you did make it sound more impressive than that for Sony, the way you worded your comment.

John

Oh come on that is all over the web they even discussed on the joke of a site bluray.com. They even talk about the not being able to play extras would make them mad. What a joke. I'm not a troll with tons of links just an informed consumer. I have both formats so I have no reason to post lies. That would be other blu ray people here. The links about some of the stuff is on blu ray.com and unless you are a member you can't go there anyway so why bother. Some seriously deluded fan boys there.

You have made it clear you do not like HD so stop with the propaganda and move along. I bet you are one of the blu blood plants.

tim,

is this from the arizona desert? looks good..

was it not less than 2 weeks ago, i believe that this website its self, posted that the ps3 was being OUT sold by the xbox and wii, 7 fold.

plus was it not expressed in the news and media, and also posted on this site aswell, that in japn alone, the ps3 ISNT SELLING !!!! WERE LOSING MILLIONS.....

but, yes so the blu discs are sellings more than hd, can you at least own up and say its becuase of your buy one get one free offer that you had..... and lets be honest here...... how pissed are the consumers going to be once they hear that they have to purchase the movies they spent $40 already, they have to buy another copy of it probably more..... IF (AND I MEAN IF) SONY ever fix the kinks and actually prove they can have a working picture and picture movie.... ohh im sorry (pip)

so dont be trying to list sales numbers... when we all know that the PS3....isnt selling no where near as much as sony not only expected...plus as much as the 360 or wii


thankyou and goodnight

John J. Puccio,
Please provide a link that shows how many PS3 units have been sold world wide.

SGD + jimcushnie,
No one believes you or gives you credit because you "promise" you're not lieing. Either provide links to backup your claims or no one will care. A truly "informed" user is so informed because they have proof. It sounds to me like you're an uninformed user with a chip on his shoulder.

BTW, if you need any proof of how well the PS3 is selling in Japan vs the 360, please see here:
http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons%5B%5D=PS3&cons%5B%5D=X360&reg%5B%5D=Japan&start=39026&end=39390

PS3 - 1,271,202
vs
360 - 299, 526

When it comes to Japan, the console and format war is already long since over. To make it clear, PS3 and Blu-ray have ALREADY won in Japan.

[Post edited by bubblebathgirl on Nov 7, 2007]

@bubblebathgirl:

It's common knowledge that Sony releases "shipped" numbers because they are "sold" in terms of from Sony to retailers. Sony made their money, the issue is that the number will hold out there for a longer period of time because of oversupply and lack of demand meaning retailers won't order more to restock.

Why even mention Japan alone? It's irrelevant. Sony will always sell higher there. As for the format war, the U.S. could choose HD-DVD if they wanted to and it could stay that way. The U.S. is the largest market for things such as games and home video.

[Post edited by Cellien on Nov 7, 2007]

Rpruthee,
While they are not sure where that picture is taken, they do know when it was... It was from 18 months into the future!!!

I saw it on PBS... It was an archaeological dig - they were looking for the look and sound of perfect. Here is another screenshot from the documentary:


I think they found it

Hey One-Cellian,
USA largest market for games?!?!? Are you drunk?

Falco,
You are the king of propaganda. vgcharts has long been a trusted source for gaming sales...
You need to come out of the dark... and into the light!

Just to set a few things straight, 1080i60 = 1080p30. They both contain the same information. Also, most of those blu-ray players that are outputing 1080p30 are not sending the information straight from the disc. They converting the signal to 1080i60 then deinterlacing it again to 1080p30, much like a 1080p television would do to a 1080i signal being sent to it. So it's just a matter of whether you want the tv, receiver or player to do the deinterlacing.

Now if you have a tv that can accept 1080p24, there can be a difference. Of course, you'd have to find a player that doesn't do any video processing in order to get exactly what is on the disc. I'm not aware of any players that do that. Some do output 1080p24, but they process the video first (Yes, the blu-ray players too).

So for the vast majority of people out there, the only difference between the $99 HD-A2 player that sold > 90K units in 3 days and the $500 blu-ray players is:

1. for $400 dollars more you can deinterlace the 1080i60 signal in the player as opposed to the tv, receiver or outboard scaler that some own. This is assuming that your tv can accept a 1080p signal.

2. for $400 dollars more you do not have profile 1.1 or 2.0 which would bring a blu-ray player up to the level of interactivity that hd dvd has had for > 18 months.

3. for $400 dollars more you may or may not have on-board decoding for advanced audio codecs.

This topic is becoming an unbeleivable mess. Bubbles is definately a Sony plant, no one else around here fights so hard for either format.

It is indeed common knowledge that Sony uses shipped numbers, not units sold at retail. The number is more impressive, and its been discussed many times over in gaming circles regarding what their numbers actually mean.

The only reason she's here fighting so hard is all of a sudden Bluray's numbers, even the fudged shipped numbers, aren't all that impressive anymore. If they were, they wouldn't be having a panic attack.

You know, I'm not going to bother linking because its easy for people to find THEMSELVES. I was checking every day thru the weekend and Amazon's top-100 electronics list had 2 Toshiba HD-DVD Players on the list, and 0 Bluray players and no PS3's either. But she'll come back and argue its all about the discs that have been sold so far. ... Which is what, about 1% of the total DVD market to begin with? Bluray and HDDVD sales are piddly, they can reverse in a single day if there is demand, AND obviously the rate HD DVD players are flying off the shelves is going to make that number change very quickly in the negative direction for the Bluray camp.

Jim Cochon,
What is the latest deal from Toshiba... Buy 1 get 10 free?

BluCanada:

Look at vgchartz. You will see that every console has sold more in the U.S. Including the PS3. Whats funny is that the PS3 sold more in the States vs. Japan.

Const. Wiggins.
That market you are addressing - aka the vast majority - would be better off with a 29 dollar dvd player that can play low grade divx files. Why bother?

You prove me right once again One-Cell

I'm not saying Japan IS the biggest I'm saying North America is NOT.

Asia as a whole is the biggest gaming market in the world... BAR NONE

MEMO to Disguiser:
Amazon is not the only place in the world items are sold

No Canadian, you said U.S.A., not N. America:

Quoted From BluCanada:
Hey One-Cellian,
USA largest market for games?!?!? Are you drunk?

To top it off, I was addressing bubblebathgirl's comments about Japan, not the whole land of Asia. )

[Post edited by Cellien on Nov 7, 2007]

BluCanada: So what? Your point being? My point is if Bubbles seems so intent on using all the amazon numbers in "her" favor, so can I. You guys are incredibly retarded at times.

Bubbles was using bluray stats or something like that.

Amazon is not all encompasing so I wouldn't personally quote them.