Re: 90,000 HD DVD players sold in one weekend

Good one BluCanada

It seems that xplayendo is so angry now that he can't even respond to the links that show Blu-ray leading in both media sales for 2007 and standalone console sales. He can't explain why that is so he just says they don't matter ... LOL - the fact that there are more standalone Blu-ray players and more media doesn't matter? That's real interesting logic you got going on there.

I just think it's hilarious that Blu-ray standalone players are outselling the standalone players now too even in spite of the 90k firesale ... once you throw the millions of PS3s into the mix it's an absolute slaughter!

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[Post edited by bubblebathgirl on Nov 8, 2007]

Bubble .. when you say stand alone players sold... do you mean sold to consumers, or to stores (shipped)? And do those include the PS3?

I wouldn't put it past either side to hire stooges to disrupt message boards on all the DVD Web sites. I've worked with PR types for thirty-five years and recognize the hype, and I'm especially suspicious of the ones who became DVDTOWN members in just the last week.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if we had shills arguing with shills? I wonder if these guys know each other? If they exchanged salary information, would one or another change jobs? Sony's paying you what? I'm coming over!

John

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[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Nov 8, 2007]

That would be funny...ever hear the one where a radio station called two sex chat lines and conferenced them together, and they both were reading from the same script for several minutes? Kind of reminds me of that. I dont know that its true, almost everyone here on the HD-DVD side of things has been willing to conceed certain facts on bluray (storage, ps3 market, discs sold this year, etc)....but one or two Bluray members has flat out rejected any advantage ever mentioned of HD DVD, twists other peoples arguments, and posts links directly back to Bluray executive interviews as if they were fact. I'd say we've got loyal HDDVD members, myself included, and one or two Sony thugs.

I heard that several online site's were invited to the Bluray conference last week because the online community is not as onboard with Bluray as retailers are (aka, you can buy space on a shelf but you can't buy the minds of forum posters and objective journalists). Looks to me like they've been trying to tackle their online "image" problem, either just by trying to constantly spread their versions of facts, or by getting HDDVD followers to leave forums.

I can't say I haven't done my part of throwing fuel on the fire, as Henning said if you disagree with someone just don't post. But the way several of us were attacked for providing information, and alot of posts were used as "thanks for proving my point" when they said the exact opposite, I came back swinging.

You came back swinging?



I've got a feeling you've stoked a few members attention!

John, you're losing the focus of this thread... Calling people shills and stooges.. Remember what Henning said... If you don't want a topic to be at the top of the list for most recent activity - 'stand down and let the fire simmer out' (I'm paraphrasing here)

#1 on the public enemy list of shills is right here:




I wonder what this Friday's special sale will be - but I don't think that it will add to the 90K HD DVD's sold in one weekend.

THAT fire, most certainly has simmered...

And that, (@disguiser) can be said about the HD-DVD advocates here. They too fail to acknowledge the benifit of the competing technology.. Hence all the mud slinging and cool inline picture pasting

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[Post edited by BluCanada on Nov 8, 2007]

The part of the fighting that baffles me is that if I'm offered two things, that on the TV are virtually the same (codec and resolution), why in the world am I an idiot for buying a $499 player for $98?

As a consumer, I'm very excited that one of the two technologies is finally coming down in price and it's more likely I'll buy movies now.

The picture quality and sound may be equal, but the increased capacity, and indestructable disks don't show up well.

I not well versed in the quality of the discs (or the perceived quality).

I do know that BR has indicated it can store more, although at a cost. But I've also read that HD-DVD has released a spec for a new capacity ... 3rd layer I think.

So if still, my movie experience is effectively exactly the same, why am I obligated to spend $500-$1000 on a player and not $98??

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[Post edited by shawnwc on Nov 8, 2007]

BluCanada:
Not true, i have no problem admitting BluRay has the PS3s sold, that it has a 2:1 movie advantage currently, that it has more storage. But I also know the truth. I know all the lies Sony put out during the PS3 pre-launch period, dual video, 8 SPEs (vs the now 7), simpler SKU product line (look at all the discontinues and new editions) compared to xbox, the whole "Next gen doesnt start until we say it does" arrogant attitude, the whole "no body wants a integrated xbox live service" message, until a few months later they change directions. And thats just PS3 related then we have their quality control issues. Lithium batteries exploding in laptops (and lately even iPods), getting them banned off planes. The whole root kit fiasco, infecting desktops with trojan horse software that disabled CD burning. I beleive fans of the PS2 could probably list all the "truths" Sony stated about the emotion engine which never happened as well.

I also know for movies, that extra storage space doesnt do squat. In addition 2:1 doesnt mean anything when the industry outsells all hidef formats by 99:1. Pricing certainly will make a huge difference there when I can pick up a HD DVD player close to the price of a standard DVD player people will start doing it accidently even. Not everyone wants or needs 1080i heck, get 1080i now for $99....when the player breaks in 2-3 years, get a 1080p for $50. Simple as that. The discs will still work. I also know the HD DVD spec was finished before products was released, Bluray has feature creep syndrom they should have left it alone and just gone with less features. Now they are going to alienate early adopters. We also know not all PS3 users watch movies on their PS3, whereas all HDDVD owners would likely intend to watch a movie on a stand alone player, otherwise you wouldnt have bought it.

As I have said in other threads though, through personal experiences and watching Sony fumble, the only products I currently design of the Sony brand are cameras, and I'm really looking at a brand new DSLR-A700 series camera as soon as I have the money.