Re: 90,000 HD DVD players sold in one weekend

Hitachi has Quad layer BD discs that can store 100GB.

1. What does that mean? Less disc swaps while watching your favorite trillogy.

2. As for your comment at 'for an extra cost':
the extra cost is less than a linear multiplication. IE if your favorite TV series is 5 DVD's BD can do it in 1 discs, HD needs 2. 1 50GB BD disc is not as expensive as 2 30GB HD's. While the HD camp will say that they have a 51GB disc on the horizon the BD camp has a 100GB quad layer disc. as both camps find ways to increase layers, the BD camp will always be ahead as it has more capacity per layer.

3. The disc's themselves are superior to HD's when it comes to durability. Durabis is a scratch resistant protective coating applied to the discs (Durabis or ScratchGaurd). What this means? your software investment is better protected...

Those are just the facts.

So Disguiser.. then what you are saying is that your problem is SONY and not BLURAY then? or is it PS3? or is it anything SONY that is NOT a camera..

Most of the HD DVD camp is in the same boat as you... It's not that they are BLURAY haters, they are SONY haters.

[Post edited by BluCanada on Nov 8, 2007]

Pit densisty on BluRay tracks as well as a thinner layer of protection required they invest in extra scratch protection. HDDVD is as durible as DVD, and I've never had a DVD movie that wouldnt play.

Thats really funny on things such as TV series the few TV series I've seen so far on hidef discs is 2-3x the price of the DVD version hardly a cost reduction. While there may be a few practical applications for it, I don't see it being used often commercially, meaning the advantage wont be realized.

I could see it being used in a recordable situation, but I don't beleive those multi-layer discs are recordable. It would definately be great for databackup but personally I prefer disk-based backup anyways. Not always practical, but typically better

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Pit densisty on BluRay tracks as well as a thinner layer of protection required they invest in extra scratch protection. HDDVD is as durible as DVD, and I've never had a DVD movie that wouldnt play.

that's good for you, but the vast majority of people that I know who have DVD's (OR EVEN MORE susceptable DVD's AND KIDS) have had scratched discs - not to mention the rental market.

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Thats really funny on things such as TV series the few TV series I've seen so far on hidef discs is 2-3x the price of the DVD version hardly a cost reduction. While there may be a few practical applications for it, I don't see it being used often commercially, meaning the advantage wont be realized.

Speculation/personal opinion - who's to know if it will be used commerically or not.. meaning that this is not fact...

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I could see it being used in a recordable situation, but I don't beleive those multi-layer discs are recordable. It would definately be great for databackup but personally I prefer disk-based backup anyways. Not always practical, but typically better

Fact: Multi layer discs are indeed recordable - even if they were not, you still get an extra 10Gb to the disc with BD.
Personal Preference: You prefer disk backup

BluCanada: I do have a problem with sony, the fact that their PR department spreads lies left and right and their product quality has dropped over the past few years. I hate when people base their entire argument off numbers their PR department releases because they have a very poor track record. Sources like NPD are much more accurate. (of which Bubbles dismissed in a previous posting, because the NPD numbers on console sales apparently were attributed to a 3rd party company, but NPD was willing to stake their name on reselling those numbers). I also have a problem that they wouldn't sit down and work their differences out with the HD DVD camp and split off and started the war. You know, I have an old "MP3" player from Sony that converted everything to ATRAC first? Nice "MP3" player, but Sony is good at pushing proprietary crap down peoples throats (now there is a good loss of quality, though if you ripped the song from a disc using their software, it definately beat the Diamond Rio of the time hands down)

But I also am a realist, price will make a huge difference. 7 years of business management and marketing experience to back that up. I stood on the sidelines until the Paramount decision, that was enough for me. I love hearing the disney arguement. No one buys a $400 movie player for a kids cartoon, you pick up a $25 DVD player. While I agree disney is important, I dont think they are that important to a hidef decision maker at this juncture. People who are really persuing HD at this time have money to burn, and want to see spectacular visuals and hear the wonders of surround sound. Disney will one day be important in all this but remember they and fox also were exlusive to DIVX over DVD for a while.

[Post edited by dguisinger on Nov 8, 2007]

BluCanada: Until you actually see it being used for that, its speculation on your part as well, so don't pull that line.

And sure disk based backup is an opinion its a growing segment of the IT industry, we switched our business to 7TB disk based RAID storage devices and used incremental backup. It sure beats having to worry about popping in new discs or tapes every day and finding them. You occassionally need a way to get data offsite, but thats doable even with DVD.

But I would agree a 30GB or 50GB disc for backups would help consumers greatly as they don't have storage area networks. But I think Apple's got it right with the Time Machine backup solution, which is a disk-based incrimental backup & recovery solution for external drives. Pretty slick

I buy both Blu-ray and HD DVD. Why? Not because I want to buy "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "Shrek the Third" on the same release day. I buy both because I think both Sony and Microsoft are wonderful companies who would never lie, and who always look out for the consumer's interest above simply making money.

Thank you Sony and Microsoft!

[Post edited by Skyhawk on Nov 8, 2007]

Skyhawk: LOL...I agree Microsoft isnt nessecarly trustworthy either they pulled features left and right from Windows 2000 and Vista.

I'll admit when it comes to Microsoft, I use windows because it comes with the machine...but I no longer voluntarly use it. Infact I've had several macs over the last 4 years now as well. The only Microsoft product i've bought in recent years is the XB360.

I understand MS has technology in the interactive HDi specs, but...I dont really see MS saying much about anything, they seem to stay pretty quiet.

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I understand MS has technology in the interactive HDi specs, but...I dont really see MS saying much about anything, they seem to stay pretty quiet.

And Sun has remained pretty quiet, who has the BD-Java technology (and J-ME JVM). And I suppose representing the software side in the format war, it's more Sun against Microsoft than Sony against Microsoft. No wonder they're quiet, they just sit back and collect license fees. I bet Dolby doesn't care who wins or loses.

On the hardware side, it's Panasonic, Sony, Samsung, Denon, Sharp, and Pioneer against Toshiba. But never underestimate the little guy who seems to be outnumbered in a war! Look at how well Japan did in WWII ... err forget I said that.

There's no question Blu-ray currently has the advantage, statistically speaking.

Only time will tell what happens over the holiday season so let's just sit back and watch how the stats play out.

Whichever format sells the most players and media will win, and currently, Blu-ray is winning.