Re: 90,000 HD DVD players sold in one weekend

BTW, as of right now (11-8-07) if you go to bestbuy.com and try to buy a 1080p Blu-ray or HD DVD player ... the cheapest you'll find are the following:

Blu-ray $399 PS3:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8588584&st=ps3&type=product&id=1190677842792

HD DVD $399:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8494499&st=hd+dvd&type=product&id=1186003898849

You can see why then the PS3 is a viable alternative to a standalone. You get a premium Blu-ray player that ALSO plays the best console games available - it's the BEST value.

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[Post edited by bubblebathgirl on Nov 8, 2007]

BBGirl,

wat up. first of all, hd dvd has sold more stand alone units. the only way you can argue blu ray has sold more players is if you count ps3's. and while the ps3 does go for $399, you can pretty much find the HD-A30 1080p player anywhere for cheaper. $308 at amazon:

http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-4778223-9215101?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=toshiba+hd+a3

not to mention the obvious, which is hd dvd offers cheaper 720p/1080i models for under $200 for those, like me, who have 720p hd tv sets. no reason to pop off for the 1080p players till it's needed.

That's where you're wrong. There is plenty reason to get a 1080p player. Most new Hi Def tvs come with 1080p standard ... and 1080p is the new standard of Hi Def tv. Even if you only have 1080i, having a 1080p player would be better since you can then get a new tv later and still use the same player.

Just think about it, if Blu-ray needed to lower their prices, don't you think they would have already?

Blu-ray is winning, and as long as they can maintain dominance they will continue to charge what they want. HD DVD blinked first, cause they're steadily losing ground. That's also why they had to give away their lowest of end players ... cause no one was buying them.

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[Post edited by bubblebathgirl on Nov 8, 2007]

first of all, 1080p definately does NOT come standard with most sets. Maybe for the new ones, but the sets already implemented in homes are not generally 1080p.

how is that wrong? let's say im not planning on buying a 1080p tv for a year or more, why not wait it out for the 1080p players to go cheaper when i actually need one? and by then, players will be even more advanced and have more features. for now, 720p is the cheapest, and it's what i actually need/want.

and by your reasoning, if hd dvd's lowering prices is an act of desperation, isnt ps3 doing the same thing? hd dvd lowers prices so consumers can buy what they actually need. that's why more stand alone hd dvd players have been sold than stand alone blu ray players.

first, $599 60gb ps3
then $499 60gb ps3
now $399 40gb ps3 with bundled blu ray movie

on a video game note, ps3 needs to sell about 8 million systems in the next year to be on track with xbox 360. in the last year, they have sold (maybe shipped) less than 6 million.

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[Post edited by vietduckboi on Nov 8, 2007]

Bubbles: Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works, you sure have proved that

Sony is keeping prices of Bluray prices higher than the PS3 otherwise the PS3 would be a worse value. Since Sony owns the technology, they can license it to 3rd parties at whatever prices or terms they like, hence keeping other suppliers more expensive. Plus, each supplier has a unique design, with a smaller peice of the pie, the scale of economics kicks in for Toshiba much quicker than it does the different Bluray manufacturers.

and 1080p is nto THE NEW STANDARD, it was a standard from the start! The standard gives options someday 1080p will probably be the only standard as prices come down, but you know what, I've gone thru 3 DVD players over the years because this is america, and we import cheap crap from China that breaks. So, you pickup a 1080i player now for $99, it breaks, and you replace it with what will then be a $50 1080p player in 2 years.

The act of desperation was selling HD DVD players at $99 cause they are relatively useless and poorly made products.

The PS3 is following a more reasonable price reduction schedule.

PS3 is already ahead of where the 360 was after the same amount of time since launch, you can easily find links to that info on Google.

Bottom line is that Blu-ray is winning and has the stats to prove it. Wait and let's see what happens, but for now I'm sitting back loving what I'm seeing

Thats a pretty bad argument in my opinion. The PS3 if it was good should be WAY ahead of the 360 because of the market penetration of the PS2 its not. The Xbox360 is doing well, not just because it was actually well thought out (though there were initially heat problems, now solved), but because Sony seriously dropped the ball.

They made a gamble...that they could use a game platform to sell a next gen disc format, and vice versa. It created a machine 2x what it should cost, and not realistically any more capable than the 360. I'd bet it will never pay off. The rapid dropping of price on the PS3 indicates they are running scared, they need their sales up. Yes, its normal for products to drop in price over time, but Sony and Microsoft rarely drop console prices. The 360 didn't drop for a year and a half. Sony has dropped two or three times already. That is BAD

In regards to HD DVD, great marketing. It created new demand, introduced people to the newer players which were in stock everywhere when the A2 wasnt, and the A3 is reasonably priced under $200.

The amount toshiba lost is pennies compared to their marketing budget. And the hype they generated and the lines of people well worth it.

Where's the logic in your argument dguisinger? Where do you get your facts from? ... oh right, you're not speaking facts I forgot.

PS2 users aren't going to instantly switch over to PS3 ... that process takes years as the games get developed. If you knew anything about the gaming industry you would at least know that. As for the 360, it still has widespread heat issues, called the Red Ring of Death. Even the new "elite" models have this problem. As for the price dropping on the PS3, it is a calculated and planned system just like the price drop on the IPhone ... all super high quality tech products do this. Like I said, the PS3 is already doing better then the 360 did in the same amount of time. It's obvious you haven't researched these facts like I suggested.

Show me where I can easily get a 1080p HD DVD player for under $200. You can't, and even if you could, it seems you are too lazy to actually research anything or post links.

Frankly you don't seem to understand logic or economics and you refuse to respond to the points I make about Blu-ray outselling HD DVD 2:1.

I know you want HD DVD to do well, but it simply is not, it's being out sold in both media and machines that can play that media.

You're losing, and you're jealous.

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[Post edited by bubblebathgirl on Nov 8, 2007]

bubbles, may i call you bubbles, its all about to pop, you know that right?

actually i've spoken about your 2:1 fact many times, reread the thread if you know how. it looks you are too busy typing away to actually read and comprehend what others have written.

and i do know economics and business, i've been an executive in the technology business for 7 years. The PS3 pricedrops were not planned as quickly as they were, they were to drive sales. Sony is losing so much money on the PS3 they can't afford those price drops. They just pushed back their date of profitability in their earnings reports. Its looking rather bleak. others here know more about what numbers Sony expected to sell by now of the PS3, but its far short of their expectations.

regarding xbox 360 overheating, i have no idea how this even came up anymore. Yes, I know the red ring of death, I experienced it on my system. Here are the facts. The RRoD comes from a heatsink mount flaw. The mount, formed like an X creates pressure points on the motherboard. As the GPU gets hot, the board warps, and the solder gets a tiny bit fluid. As the solder joins slowly fail, finally some of the GPU pins on the ball grid package seperate from the reflow solder on the pads on the motherboard, causing a system crash. Once you turn off the machine, it cools down, causing that solder joint to remain broken. Using a heat gun or a small run / prototype reflow oven one can easily repair the damage (done it myself). The heat problem was later addressed with a) longer warrenties and b) a new heatsink design. That new heatsink design came AFTER the Elite came out, boxes were not specially marked. A few months after the new heatsink design came out, the new 65-nm GPU came out (about a month and a half ago) putting the matter to rest completely as it can no longer get warm enough to warm the motherboard and melt the solder. So, they fixed the problem, they took responsibility for dead units, and they get repaired units to people in less than a week. Thats pretty good actually. I still take my car back every few months because theres always something else failing under warranty.

You keep proving my point so thanks. M$ makes crap products, and you've bought into one of them.

PS3 is a quality product with <1% failure rate ... where is your response to that? I'm waiting.

I don't believe for a second that you have 7 years experience, if you do then prove it. You sound like someone who is so emotionally invested in something that they can't see the facts clearly.

The bubble is about to burst you say? You're wonderful at coming up with fantasy but horrible at dealing with reality ... HD DVD is losing ... getting beaten twofold at the least.

Deal with reality, you bought into something that is losing ... and you bought into a gaming console that is defective, and a company that makes bad products.

As for the future of Hi Def, we'll see what happens ... just watch the stats. For now, the stats are quite clear, Blu-ray is winning.