Re: 90,000 HD DVD players sold in one weekend

This is a great forum the people on both sides of this debate a great....

As for Sony lieing they use tact that are intresting when it comes to lauching new products that can seem to be streching the truth lol but everyone does it. But from a personal note if you dont buy their top of the line product their warranty services sucks... and so do their laptop batteries lol

As for the Walmart comment I dont like their stores but they sell BluRay players also.. Does that mean they are junk to lol.

As for cracking any thing neither on of these companies should ever say they are uncrackable.. NOTHING IS UNCRACKABLE

SO to all early adopters this is far from over until one of these companies can produce a unit for under a 100.00 all the time the only people that will care is us the early adopters....

I also think Microsoft is still waiting for a digital download said it before will say it again..

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1080i is GONE BYE BYE... Hence the A2 dump. I'd be shocked if Tosh or anyone else released a future player without P support.

Announcing...the Toshiba HD A3!

Really, as a 1080i set and HD DVD player owner, I'll be the first to admit a progressive picture will look as much less transparent (on a 1080p HDTV) in 1080p over 1080i as a 480p picture looks (on HDTV) over 480i. That's the difference between "i" and "p" is with every other line in "i" mode when undrawn gives the effect of transparency, that's pretty much it. 480p looks solid, 480i looks see-through but only on a higher resolution set...on a 480i screen it looks solid, but it's still basically the same quality.

As long as there are 720p/1080i HDTVs, there should remain a 1080i player until cost is low enough for the consumer not to care about paying for "p" when not needed. Just like why worry about not having HDMI v1.3 if your TV doesn't support Enhanced Color or your receiver has no built-in CODECs that your player doesn't already do...just settle for the color you've got and send the audio decoded by the player as PCM audio through HDMI 1.2 or lesser.

I suppose I blew my money on my HDTV because I didn't get one with a memory stick slot even though nothing I've ever owned has had one? We aren't all as elite as yourself.

@ rpruthee:

Examples of feeling cheated by Sony? Really? That's so easy. I personally invested in Minidisc and had NO CLUE at the time that it was just Sony trying to force it's own format. It flopped, I wasted money. Lots of it to make me somewhat bitter. I was also forced to buy a Sony Memory Stick at TWICE THE COST of a SD memory card. UMDs? I was aware of how much screwage was present with UMD movies, so I stayed FAR AWAY. They flopped as well...

With the PS3 - It's simple. They said it's the only "hi-def" game console yet didn't even include a hi-def cable. They said they put in Blu-Ray solely for richer game experience first and movies second, yet every PS3 version of a game is worse and the first party titles show no justification for the extra space. They said dual monitor, nada. They said the hardware is so much more advanced than the competition, yet games have shown opposite. One of the funniest is how they stuck it to MS for the 360 not being fully backwards compatible and promised the PS3 would be FULLY backwards compatible... and now they have a machine that is completely NOT backwards compatible. The list goes on. If you don't read gaming news constantly, you may end up going into Walmart and buying a $400 console that turns out refuses to play your PS2 games. Not cool, especially when you sold your PS2 to put money towards your PS3.

[Post edited by Cellien on Nov 7, 2007]

I wouldn't call the A2 rubbish. And it's a satisfactory machine, depending on the needs and wants of the individual. I wouldn't have it be the centerpiece of my entertainment center, but that's just me.

Cellien --

I hear you dude. I have a miniDisc player as well with few MDs lying around somewhere. You will have to admit that iPod in 2002 effectively killed MD. No one at time imagined iPod will rock ! UMD and Memory stick are other bad examples. But this does not mean that Sony lied about its products. If you have to buy Sony's Mem Stick and you don't like it then don't buy. I stopped buying Sony's products because of this. They tie you in. Consumers don't research well and then they get buyers remorse. Few years ago, I bought a Bose HT system. 2 years after using it I came to know that it does not decode DD. I was pissed and mad as hell. Later I realised that it was my fault of not doing research properly. Infact I lied to myself. Bose didn't lie to me about the product.

Of couse many people have different experiences at different levels - some are exaggerated and some are real.

I agree with you on Ps3. But I believe there are some good game down the road for Ps3 - Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, FF XII. 360 had a similar problem with the games in first year.

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Also I'll state once again I actually was a fan of Sony tv's and I was very excited about bluray before all this started. Sonys tactics and the way they tried to con us about both bluray and the PS3 has completely turned me off from them.

falcon that makes two of us..

rpruthee asking for reasons that have been discussed tons of times is retarded. but Cellien
did what falcon and I were too lazy to do. thanks Cellien

may i also add i wanted the a2 for a smalled tv. so who cares about 1080p. also wanted the a3 for a not so small but not so big bedroom tv, so once again there goes 1080p. for my main entertainment room, you save the big stuff.

rpruthee in the near future, i would like to speak to you regarding the 1.1 discs, and you not being able to play them on your current $400+ hardware.

PS3 pushed 55,000 units last week. They're over 5.5 million now..

Last week, 420,000 BD's were sold... Yes that's right 420,000 BD's

Each one a royalty for Sony... Yes, those 420,000 Units DO NOT INCLUDE MOVIES...

http://www.blu-raystats.com/amazonstats.php?OrderBy=SalesRank

http://www.hddvdstats.com/amazonstats.php?OrderBy=SalesRank

Compare the Amazon sales ranking stats ... Blu-ray has more in the top 10, more in the top 100, more in the top 1000.

Compare the sales percentages:
http://www.blu-raystats.com/percentages.php
http://www.hddvdstats.com/percentages.php

Blu-ray STILL commands a 2:1 lead.

I love how people try to rationalize worse technology also ... 1080p is far superior to 1080i, in fact 720p is much better then 1080i to start with. A player that doesn't support 1080p is "old" technology.

If HD DVD wants to do anything to help themselves they should sell 1080p players at discount prices ... that said, it still doesn't matter cause Blu-ray has a majority of all of the studio's backing it:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/studios.php

If you want to try and convince me that HD DVD is selling better over all then Blu-ray then provide a link that proves it ... but I know you won't be able to cause I already provided the link that shows the actual sales for Blu-ray vs HD DVD in the US.

So right now, HD DVD is losing. Player wise there is no way HD DVD can compete with the many millions that Sony has already sold. Because Sony chose to put the Blu-ray player in the PS3, it simply has too much of an advantage over HD DVD.

I suggest you all pay attention to the stats before you say anything. Check back here every week to see how the holiday season is going:
http://www.blu-raystats.com/percentages.php
http://www.hddvdstats.com/percentages.php

Based on the above stats, Blu-ray is winning.

[Post edited by bubblebathgirl on Nov 7, 2007]

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rpruthee in the near future, i would like to speak to you regarding the 1.1 discs, and you not being able to play them on your current $400+ hardware.

-- kucoloco

what about it? are you talking about the BD+ problem in FF 2. If so then I was not affected by it because i don't watch crappy movies on my PS3. PS3 was not affected. Other BD players were fixed by a firmware update. not a big deal considering the fact that toshiba that is fair share of firmware updates to fix the issues with combos. oh did i mention that the first generation could not decode trueHD for first few weeks. oh that was bad.

[Post edited by rpruthee on Nov 7, 2007]

I find it comical about doing the search for "Sony Lies" on Google. I did the same for "Toshiba Lies" and it also returned a boat-load. You know what that tells me? You fanboys take this way too serious and continue to push it way over the top.