Re: 90,000 HD DVD players sold in one weekend

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The HD DVD supporters here are numerous and they have no more patience with Blu-ray supporters than Blu-ray supporters do with HD DVD supporters. DVDTOWN did not start this damned format war, but it has driven a wedge between people the likes of which only the country's politics have done in recent years.

Hmmm.. then why the negativity even to people who are duel format here? I mean, politically I'm someone who voted for Ralph Nader, George Bush, and Al Gore all at the same time. Or does that make me an enemy of everyone? (Don't answer that question!)

I just think it's not a great thing to spread misinformation in an attempt to influence people's purchase decisions. This is against forum rules if I read them correctly. It has nothing to do with "opinion". Opinion is whether you like a movie or not, not whether an Intel Celeron is more powerful than a Cell processor. That goes beyond "opinion" and into the realm of ridiculous FUD and/or trolling.

I would think that a site like yours would not want to be known for being associated with such crazy assertions and misinformation, even by simply by letting them stand on your website.

As far as the AVSForum, it just shows how dedicated the mods are to maintaining a civil forum. You know what happens if a poster resorts to childish rhetoric and refers to another as "stupid" or an "idiot" there? And yes, I know as well as you do that what happens in private messages on the AVSForum can shut down an entire section temporarily and result is possible criminal/civil action between members.

[Post edited by Skyhawk on Nov 14, 2007]

because quite honestly, dual format helps no one's position. It stalls adoption of HD formats, it just prolongs the "war". People need to decide, purchase, and give the industry a reason to come to a final decision quickly.

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because quite honestly, dual format helps no one's position

To be quite frank, I don't care about your position. I honestly don't care about your format war. What I do care about is me, and my family being able to choose among any of the studios that support either or both formats right now. We want to watch movies, and neither you or anyone else is going to deny my family that RIGHT.

What the heck is this? Communist China? Sheesh!

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To be quite frank, I don't care about your position. I honestly don't care about your format war. What I do care about is me, and my family being able to choose among any of the studios that support either or both formats right now. We want to watch movies, and neither you or anyone else is going to deny my family that RIGHT.

Huh, last time i checked you could buy DVDs from any studio and they work on any DVD player. I was not denying you any product, though with your attitude I'd like to.

Because quite frankly, your attitude needs adjustment i was just telling you why people in general don't like dual format players. that supporting both is worse than supporting any one side (which was the answer to your question) because it not only hurts both the HD and Bluray camps by being non-commital but also slows overal HD movie markets because one side NEEDS to win before it becomes common in homes...

So if you don't want to pick a side right now, just buy DVDs, no ones forcing HD on you.

Not to mention, picking up a dual-format player right now probably is a bad investment....unless today's dual-format players support Bluray profile 2.0, I wouldnt touch them. They are expensive (since they are a combined format), and if Bluray wins they will be lacking features that the cheaper players have and you will look back and think you wasted all that money to have a 1-year headstart on what the final market would have. I wouldnt throw that kind of money into a incomplete product if you really want a dual format player, wait 6 months. Of course, in 6 months we'll probably be alot closer to a winner my bet is still the same as most people's, this holiday season will make or break HD-DVD / Bluray.

If I didnt want to commit, I'd stay DVD for now which is really the only safe choice.

dguisinger said -

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"i was just telling you why people in general don't like dual format players. that supporting both is worse than supporting any one side (which was the answer to your question) because it not only hurts both the HD and Blu-ray camps by being non-commital but also slows overal HD movie markets because one side NEEDS to win before it becomes common in homes..."

This is emotional FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). No one has to "help" in the HD format war by "picking" a side, or "committing" exclusively to one or the other. You can make a third choice and CHOOSE BOTH. If it makes you feel better by "committing" to one side, then that's your decision, but don't tell anyone else the FUD (above) if that person has the money to afford both, and if that person has the desire to watch HD content in both formats, since THAT IS the market [dual formats] right now, see.

Do you buy Cable TV, Satellite TV, or perhaps both? Well, some people do buy both, because of exclusive content that's controlled by each. DirectTV has the exclusive NFL Season Pass, and I believe cable has the NBA League Pass (although it may not be exclusive), and I think the NHL Hockey season pass is exclusive to one of the media companies. Also, some of the HD channels are not available thru all of the cable and satellite TV operators, so some people may want (and can afford) to buy both.

I think you are getting a little too personally attached to one "HD disc format". If you want to do this, OK, but don't imply that others should too, reasoning because it "hurts the HD camps". If it does, then that's the HD camps marketing problems, not the end user who may or may not want to buy into both HD formats. After all, the people behind the disc players [Toshiba and Sony etc], and software content [movie studios etc, except Warner Brothers] have all forced this situation on consumers, so you should consider complaining to everyone involved in both "HD camps" for taking opposing sides [not unified behind a single format]... before a singe hi-def player was ever put out for sale. These companies put the "dual formats" and "exclusivity" (content) into play, and they now will suffer the sucess or failure as a result.

-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)

[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Nov 14, 2007]

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Because quite frankly, your attitude needs adjustment i was just telling you why people in general don't like dual format players. that supporting both is worse than supporting any one side (which was the answer to your question) because it not only hurts both the HD and Bluray camps by being non-commital but also slows overal HD movie markets because one side NEEDS to win before it becomes common in homes...

Wow, and not to stir the pot, but I have to agree with Skyhawk on this. I too could care less about your damn format war or if it damages a camp by buying a daul format player. I don't see it as any different than buying an HD & Blu-ray, both. As a consumer, I feel exactly the way Skyhawk does, all I care about is having the choice of getting all the movies in no matter what format. To me, the movies is what it's all about and I could care less what manufacture company gets hurt over it.

And yes, in a very mild way, the consumer IS being forced to eventually go with an HD format. It may take some time, but they will eventually have to make that choice. The introduction of any new technology always comes with the intent to replace the old technology (albums & tapes to CDs, etc.). So yes, in a very subtle way, the consumer is being forced, eventually, to make a choice.

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Huh, last time i checked you could buy DVDs from any studio and they work on any DVD player.

Anamorphic wide screen DVDs are encoded with 480i video, but on our 120" screen I prefer to have 1080p whenever possible. These currently only come in Red and Blue cases - not the Black ones.

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I was not denying you any product, though with your attitude I'd like to.

Yes, I bet you would.

PS. I was hoping that the war between wide screen and "full" screen DVD formats would be decided this Christmas so that studios stop supporting both versions. But from noticing all the people in line at the video store holding "full screen" versions of Shrek the Third, I realize this is probably unrealistic to the extreme.

My new more conservative prediction is that by Christmas 2009, all studios finally stop releasing separate aspect ratio versions of their standard DVDs.

One "war" at a time....

Good lord Bubblebath got owned a few pages back. Wow.

Anyhoo... As a HD-DVD supporter, I truly would rather a truce than this BS. I picked HD-DVD for its much lower price, more interesting titles, and admittedly because I am tired of Sony pushing formats. But I'm starting to get a different mentality... QUIT F**KING THE CONSUMERS! We should all feel like tools paying either side to keep up this format war.

Till the truce comes though, I'm stickin with HD-DVD. Sony really should fold on this one since they are the ones that waged the "war".

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My new more conservative prediction is that by Christmas 2009, all studios finally stop releasing separate aspect ratio versions of their standard DVDs.

Yeah, then the new war of 1:85:1 vs. 2:35:1 rises up. If all these people get full screen versions because it fills their screen.. imagine the sentiment when they see that their widescreen TVs still have bars... LOL.

I gotta say I'm very annoyed that we still have the black bars on widescreen tv's. Seriously they make is change our tv's from 4:3 to 16:9 and we still have them??

I know it's because they are trying to keep the aspect ratio of the theatrical release but come on. They should make them all 1:85:1 ( believe thats right?) so that it feills your screen. It lookes much better in my opinion and you're not wasting valuable screen space with black bars