New buy one and get one free sale

Another HD DVD major release (Shrek the Third) another Blu-ray bogo deal. Sony is getting too predictable.

More like desperate.

Yeah, where are those pie charts when you need 'em?

definately sounds like they ($ony) are getting well nervous now.......

haha, funny... and predictable, can't blame them though is making the number-trolls happy. plus whoever has a player is probably taking advantage of this. if i had one i would pick some movies for my gf. cause i dont like many of those for myself. we deserve some HDDVD BOGO deals

I'm sure HD DVD will be having BOGO sales ... just like I'm sure Blu-ray will be dropping it's prices to compete with the HD DVD player prices ...

Good for us.

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[Post edited by bubblebathgirl on Nov 12, 2007]

the funny thing is... in two weeks time.... there be another posting on this site saying blu ray again out sold hd-dvd in discs sold and all the blu-boys are going to have there fun.. (you see guys sony just out sold hd-dvd again... harff ).......

hmmmmm i wonder why......

At least you guys are finally starting to get it That's why sales figures are not to be taken seriously. Keep in mind these "stats" are used more for swindling consumers, studios know whats really going on.

Well I wouldn't go so far as to say one should not take any value in sales figures ... I think they should be taken into consideration along with a lot of other factors.

........ and thats from a troll to normal blogger overnight

To be fair, I hope HD DVD has one of these Buy One Get One Free sales. I would buy at least 10 movies.

Fellas,

Please understand that Sony and Toshiba are engaged in a serious business battle here involving quite a lot of money. Both sides will do anything they can to win. Can you blame them? One side lowers its price something, and the other side lowers its price on something else. One side has a big-name release, and the other side offers a two-for-one sale. It's standard business practice to try to undercut your rival. And propaganda, some of it distorted and exaggerated, flows from both sides.

John

another solid move from the BD camp. I would have done the same thing. It's a shame HD can't get their act together and do something similiar to steal the momentum for the big BD releases (I know there is too many to keep track of.) But if I was running the HD show, I would do the same thing when Pirates 3 or Spider-Man 3 or Die Hard 4 or Close Encounters or Fantasic Four 2 or Independence Day or The Rock or Resident Evil or Castaway or....nevermind, this is tiring.

The question is will this have the same affect as the last one, many people used the last one to buy the movies they missed or didn't feel like paying full price on, not that many BD movies have been released in the past month that would peak intrest in another BOGO sale soon after.

I guess the HD DVD camp doesn't feel any of those movies are a big threat. Spiderman 3 after all was supposed to be huge but it wasn't. It had decent sales but nowhere close to what Sony was hoping for. I guess blurays next big release will be Pirates 3 which again was disappointing in the theatres in terms of reviews so it may not beat Transformers sales for DVD or HD DVD either.

I agree with Sonys logic to have these sales during the week the "other" camp (HD DVD) is having a big release. I just wished HD DVD would do the same thing. Hopefully before Christmas.

I gotta admit it's a sensible move from sony if you look at it from a business point of view. I hope HD DVD do it soon though, I've got an ever growing list of movies I want but can't really afford them! When is Pirates 3 out, if it's not long I might wait and see what happens before I buy something, just in case I can get a bargain. I wonder how well pirates 3 will sell though, after all I don't think its as big a title as Spidey 3 and look how that turned out...

This BOGO promotion seems to be having a substantial impact on the Amazon sales. From what I've counted as of 10:14pm EST on 11-12-07, Blu-ray currently has 118 titles in the top 1000 and 21 titles in the top 100.

HD DVD, by comparison, currently has 15 titles in the top 1000 and 3 titles in the top 100.

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I guess blurays next big release will be Pirates 3 which again was disappointing in the theatres in terms of reviews so it may not beat Transformers sales for DVD or HD DVD either.

What do reviews have to do with sales?

Shrek the Third will be HUGE even though it has a 42% rotten rating at rottentomatos. It made $320,706,665 at the box office, beating out Transformers by a little which itself has a 56% rotten rating. The best new high-budget blockbuster-type movie released on HDM within the last few weeks was Ratatouille. It made only $205,917,649 at the box office and received a 97% fresh rating.

Pirates 3 only made $309,404,152 at the box office (45% rotten), so I agree that it likely wont do any better than similar movies recently released, considering Spiderman 3 made $336,530,303 at the box office (with 62% fresh).

On the bright side, this war is sure bringing down prices for everyone. HDDVD with the players, Blu-ray with the movies.

The question is who is going to run out of money first, Sony or Toshiba, since both of them have to be losing money so far in this contest.

John

John Puccio said -

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"The question is who is going to run out of money first, Sony or Toshiba, since both of them have to be losing money so far in this contest."

I don't know the answer obviously, but as for Toshiba and HD-DVD, they have NOT spent well over $1 BILLION (so far) like Sony has on development and manufacturing costs for everything Blu-ray and the PS3 (as previously reported).

Also, unlike HD-DVD replication, which is spread out among several dozen plants worldwide (with different companies), Blu-ray disc replication is mainly being done by Sony, at 3 plants they own in Japan, Europe, and the USA (Terre Haute, Indiana).

-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)

Love Hendrix, there are even "Indie" Blu-ray replication plants. The last one was built via GM plastics (irony) in Spokane, WA (more irony).

It is kinda funny. But times change for both camps.

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Love Hendrix, there are even "Indie" Blu-ray replication plants. The last one was built via GM plastics (irony) in Spokane, WA (more irony).

It is kinda funny. But times change for both camps.

The problem with the way Blu ray Discs are being manufactured for every 10 they print 2 or 3 might be sellable, and that is coming from the Sony plants, also many of the other plants deal in the 25GB discs, because most don't have the equipment to handle the 50GB discs, which is mostly printed by Sony. This is different than HD DVD which has a higher print success rate, not sure the recent numbers, and the fact that all of the plants can print the 30GB discs.

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[Post edited by 3dpenguin on Nov 13, 2007]

good info 3dpenguin. got any articles or sites expanding on this more?
does anyone got any mroe to contribute?

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The problem with the way Blu ray Discs are being manufactured for every 10 they print 2 or 3 might be sellable, and that is coming from the Sony plants, also many of the other plants deal in the 25GB discs, because most don't have the equipment to handle the 50GB discs, which is mostly printed by Sony. This is different than HD DVD which has a higher print success rate, not sure the recent numbers, and the fact that all of the plants can print the 30GB discs.

A little Google search shows the multitude of independent replication firms providing services for both HD DVD and Blu-ray that own their own equipment: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22blu-ray+replication%22+services&meta=

What's interesting is that many of them post replication prices. "EB Interactive" charges $2.42 for 50GB Blu-ray and only $1.62 for duel layer HD DVD per - in 25,000 lots.

"ProAction Media" currently does single layer Blu-ray only, and charges $1.59 per - in 25,000 lots, and duel layer HD DVDs for $1.55 per - in 25,000 lots. PacificDisks is a little better (again only single layer capability) and matches the price of HD DVD duel layer ($1.55) at ProAction, but for some mysterious reason charges $1.63 for double layer HD DVDs per - in 25,000 lots.

What does all this mean? I'm not sure!

But I suppose we can draw a few conclusions from this little sample:

1. A single layer Blu-ray seems to have about the same replication costs per disk as double layer HD DVDs.

2. A double layer Blu-ray costs significantly more per disk to replicate than double layer HD DVDs.

3. When shopping around to replicate your next 600,000 HD DVD or Blu-ray disks, it pays to shop around!

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[Post edited by Skyhawk on Nov 14, 2007]