2.7 Million Blu-ray players in U.S. homes

i doubt more than 20% of ps3'ers are using it soley for movies

I wonder how many consoles are being used at all for movies.

It's a difficult number to pin down. I've seen polls as high as 40% and as low as 20% of PS3 users using their PS3 for Blu-ray movies.

very hard number to pin down, but BD continues to outsell HD software, so it has to be a pretty good number which will probably widen because of the more affordable PS3's.

As far as the consoles are concerned this isnt good. Even if all 2.7 Blu Ray units are Playstation 3's they are trailing behind in the console sales something rotten. How many 360's have been sold now? Gotta be above 15 million right??? Whatever it is it will be significantly higher than that of the Playstation 3!

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How many 360's have been sold now? Gotta be above 15 million right???

No, try around 11 million, and that's with a year head start over the Wii and Playstation 3. Xbox and PS3 have almost the exact same year to date sales the only console that's the wonder seller is the Wii.

[Post edited by tony1569 on Dec 6, 2007]

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Actually it's more like 15 Million for the Wii worldwide, 14 Million for the 360, and 5.5 Million for the PS3. You're right the though the Wii is still the Wunderkid.

So... That's 60-80% of all Blu Ray players that ARE NOT 1.1...

there isnt even any fights on this site... weird..

First of all, I use HD DVD, not Blu Ray....but with that said, I don't see why so many people make such a big deal about Blu Ray players not being profile 1.1 compliant. Unless I am missing something, it is only for PIP interactivity stuff right??? Personally I don't use any of the interactive features for Hd DVD, I just want a clear picture with good sound.

thats your point. But most people argue that Blu is supposed to be alot better....a few hundred more, and you dont even get all the luxury//Interactive features//PIP // and ease of mind firmware upgrades via ethernet

Plus those are the only Interactive features of today. more could come in the near future.

[Post edited by kucoloco on Dec 7, 2007]

Well, I never argued that HD DVD wasn't a better deal...that's why I chose the format. I just don't think profile 1.1 is a very big deal for the interactive stuff, but just my opinion. I must say though, that the ethernet capability for downloading new firmware is awesome, all electronics companies should have to do this!

I guess it's all rather irrelevant now that the PS3 will soon support PIP, with the first titles having this feature to be released in Jan/08. At that time we can still argue over the color of the cases...

It's important to make the lack of 1.1 a big deal because Blu Ray is touted by so many fanbois to be so much better... and yet there are people who dropped $1200 on a BD player, and can't use all the cool stuff that makes BR better.

We get it forced down our throats that all that extra BD space is for all that extra stuff. Guess they just figured all the PS3 sales would have taken the market, and then it wouldn't matter that people didn't get what they thought they had.

If you've ever used an emulator (which is what the PS3 will be doing since there is NOT a 2nd decoder like HD-DVD), you know that emulators are often times slower, buggy and NEVER as good as a the real hardware.

Some great deals lately on Blu-ray titles (BOGO on Amazon etc), so I've purchased a few. Also, one of the other reasons I purchased a PS3 (for Blu-ray) was for the hi-def music releases too, and several are exclusive to Blu-ray (SonyBMG).

Picked up these recently on Blu-ray - DAVID GILMOUR Live at the Royal Albert Hall, QUEEN Live in Montreal, DAVE MATTHEWS & TIM REYNOLDS Live at Radio City Music Hall, DESTINY'S CHILD Live in Atlanta, ALICE COOPER Live at Montreaux, LED ZEPPELIN The Song Remains the Same (pre-order / and I also bought it on 2-disc standard DVD), THE BLACK CROWES Live, etc... also SHAKIRA has a new concert disc (coming soon on Blu-ray) that's received excellent reviews for the standard DVD.

-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)
~ DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray owner ~

shawnwc,

I'm confused about this emulator thing (and *gosh* I'm an engineer). Do you have some technicals I can read up about this?

I was under the impression that the PS3 could still utilize its present GPU for hardware acceleration for a second decoder (and third, forth, fifth, etc.) since it was opted that it would be impractical to include 2 or more entire GPU chips in order to provide asynchronous decoding of multiple video streams in hardware only, even within HD DVD players. I think another part of that decision is that the loss in flexibility, (pure hardware decoding can only ever decode the codec it was designed for), was unacceptable to the HD DVD guys, and bug fixes or improvements could only be effected by switching out actual GPU chips instead of firmware upgrading. Cost of multiple ATI decoder GPUs would be another factor. Hence, just hardware acceleration and a single GPU, to take away an acceptable burden from the CPU no matter how many steams are being decoded.

And lets face it, if my Toshiba HD-A2 had a separate second ATI GPU dedicated to decoding only in hardware, it would seem like a waste considering how small that PIP window is!

To be honest, I'm not sure if the A2 and other second and third generation HD DVD players have a second dedicated GPU for decoding, but I'd find it unlikely since it's really not required. I know the XBox 360 and first generation Toshiba players only have one GPU...

Got more information you can direct me to?

[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 7, 2007]

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Some great deals lately on Blu-ray titles (BOGO on Amazon etc),

You are so right...I picked up some movies to from AMAZON's Warner Bogo. They have the best selection for the bogo that I've seen yet.

The price of Samsung BD P1400 has dropped to $305. An hour back it was $320..http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000TME35W/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance. It does the decoding of TrueHD and DTS HD MA. Very competitive price as compared to similar offerings from Toshiba.

Now it's $299. Nice to see some third party manufacturers starting to lower prices on what is a premium player.

the price is now $273.99. what is going on? is this a stock?

274 for a BD player or PS3???? Not.

Sony's cheapest BR player is $399, and the PS3 is $399. PS3 profile 1.0, not sure about that stripped down BD player.

Now Amazon shows the BD-P1400's price as $297.95. This is a great deal especially for those who want uncompressed audio but don't have a newer HDMI receiver, since the player decodes all the HD audio codecs, including DTS-HD, and has the multi-channel audio outputs. It also has HDMI 1.3, with audio codec pass through, and 1080p/24 support. Like the PS3 and other Samsung models, it includes an Ethernet port for Internet connectivity. For those with less than high-end audio tastes the player can do MP3s, as well as play back JPEG photo, and reads CD, DVD, BD-R, CD-R, BD-RE, CD-RW, DVD-R, BD-ROM, DVD-RW.

It can't play PS3 games though.

Is it profile 1.1?

This is very interesting... Another $150 off and I might have to have both HD-DVD & BR...

Ahh.. The reviews reveal some issues with this model. What was it the Sony Boys kept using for a term.. Oh right, fire sale.

[Post edited by shawnwc on Dec 9, 2007]

No I don't think it supports "picture-in-picture" since it was out before profile 1.1 became mandatory at the end of October. It is unknown if it is possible to achieve 1.1 compliance with a future firmware upgrade at this time. But I'd give up PiP before I'd give up DTS-HD decoding, multi-channel analogue outs, and 1080p/24. There is a big difference between gimmicky stuff like PiP to those core high-end features found only in the most expensive Toshiba models (XA2). Too bad the BP-P1400 didn't have the HQV processor chip set like top Samsung model has, or I'd jump on this at that price for sure and dedicate my PS3 to the kid's console collection.

[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 9, 2007]

Skyhawk, let's not forget you can get the Toshiba HD A35 and the HD XA2 that have all those same features (1080P/24 support, HD audio codecs, HDMI 1.3, multi-channel 5.1 audio out, DVD and CD support, etc) for about $400.

On top of that the HD XA2 has the Reon-VX HQV video processor (regarded by many as the best in the business) that makes regular DVD's look almost HD quality. It really does an amazing job.

We sound like salesmen

Heres a nice link on the HD XA2...

http://www.audioholics.com/news/press-releases/HQVHD-XA2

I may end up getting one of these on ebay.

[Post edited by Falcon01 on Dec 9, 2007]

Falcon, the XA2 is a great machine and in fact has the same HQV (Reon) video processor that the higher end Samsung BD-P2400 and BD-UP5000 have. Let me know if you ever run into a $400 sale price on the XA2. Then I'd donate my A2 to our bedroom.

HD XA2 on ebay going for less than $400 at the moment...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-HD-XA2-HD-DVD-Player-1080p-New-HDMI-cable_W0QQitemZ190179654247QQihZ009QQcategoryZ15077QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-HD-XA2-Player-HD-DVD-Player_W0QQitemZ110202546345QQihZ001QQcategoryZ15077QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Right now they seem to be higher priced than normal but after Christmas they should be comng back down a little bit.

I must be a profit because I said that the players without Profile 1.1 would go on sale at a discounted price. Now we'll see SONY, Panasonic, Phillips and others drop their non profile 1.1 players at a great price.

Prophet

Talk about a Freudian slip!

Skyhawk and Falcon, my bad you know that I ment to say PROPHET. That was kind of funny I had to laugh at that myself. but

[Post edited by tony1569 on Dec 9, 2007]

Wow, blu players hitting the 300 mark. nether though i would see that so soon, quick get wrid of all those 1.0 profile players!!!

...Toshiba what you got say about that?? ... quick Tosh do something!!

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