Re: Michael Bay Accuses Microsoft of Conspiracy

Doesn't this idiot know that Blu-ray is far from superior to HD DVD??? Am i glad that i didn't buy his children's movie of the month that is "Transformers"....I do, however own "The Island", wich is great...

[Post edited by staf on Dec 5, 2007]

Kris slow down, you recently joined, and you dont know much about this place. This is DVDTOWN not HD DVD TOWN

if you feel left out/ try hanging out with the girl with-bubbles and sony1569.

[Post edited by kucoloco on Dec 5, 2007]

Kris, I think you need to see what's going on behind all the smoke and mirrors. The only reason why Blu-Ray APPEARS to have more sales than HD DVD on Black Friday is because they were giving away 10-15 discs as part of the PlayStation promotion. They weren't going to cut the prices of the players, so they threw in extra movies. These movies were still included on the receipts and counted as sales when in fact they weren't sold at all.

It's a really nice way to fudge the numbers, but it doesn't make it the truth. Basically it was just a ploy so they can have someone post these stats in their favor. But if you take a look at the actual sales on sites like Amazon, there is no way in hell that they had 71% or whatever to 29% on Black Friday.

Personally, I would be embarrassed to boast about having a discs sales advantage on Black Friday when they factor in those free discs. Let's say they gave away 10 discs with each player instead of the 15 that I heard about, we'll just use 10 as a baseline. Now, most of the HD players had 2 discs, but they were in the box and not included on the receipts - so they don't count. That means that with the 10 extra discs and any additional Blu-Ray disc sales, Blu-Ray still ONLY had a 71% advantage? Bwah-ha-ha-ha! I have so much phlegm from laughing so hard. That's very pitiful, as it really just shows how strong the HD sales really are.

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Michael Bay is halirious. He makes ONE movie that does well at the box office and he thinks he can run his mouth and sway people to choose one format over the other. First of all, Transformer was a hit because it was TRANSFORMERS, not because it was directed by Michael Bay. In fact if someone else had directed the movie it may have actually been much better. Get over yourself.

Amen brother. His face certainly will be red if he keeps this up and proved to be wrong. It reminds me of when I read Eli Roth was saying how amazing Blu Ray was and how revolutionary it was, as if HD DVD isnt pretty much the same video quality? When these people make a point of saying these things it makes me wonder if they actually think before saying it. They (just like us) can only predict which way this war will go, but when your opinion is so public it seems foolish to make such strong points.

Michael Bay aside...Microsoft supports one of the two so that there is a war where, no one comes victorious (unlike what we are seeing, go BLU!), so that hopefuly Microsoft's downloading thing takes off. And say what you want, but Zune is a very good player I own one and I've had no problems whatsoever. Plus, they have the operating systems that can in one case, restrict what you might install...or download...or play...since they own what? 90% of the operating sytems...

Now, some of you might go ballistics over what I've said, but really, don't be biased, stand in the middle and analyse (difficult for most, I know) and please use common sense (an UnAmerican word, I know)...

Oh, and the ones who doubt about digital storage and media...what about TiVo? Didn't it take off like years ago? "Oh, I 'tivoed' that, and this"...and where is it? On VHS tapes? On DVDs? On CDs? On MiniDiscs? On Beta tapes? On USB drives?.....oh, yeah, on the box...(well, for most of the normal population, that is)...

[Post edited by mvckalel on Dec 5, 2007]

hoodaguy said:

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The only reason why Blu-Ray APPEARS to have more sales than HD DVD on Black Friday is because they were giving away 10-15 discs as part of the PlayStation promotion. They weren't going to cut the prices of the players, so they threw in extra movies. These movies were still included on the receipts and counted as sales when in fact they weren't sold at all.

It was 10 disks for black Friday, and it was the $499 PS3. It also was a "secret" Walmart sale. You and others have said that HD DVD sales are reported too low because Nielsen does not include Walmart in their sales figures. So when Walmart has a big giveaway sale on HD DVD players/disks they aren't included in Nielsen figures, but when Walmart has a big giveaway sale on PS3/Blu-ray disks they are included in Nielsen figures?

Do you have any sources to back this up?

On the subject of this thread, I think that Michael Bay has way too much time on his hands to be engaged in unrealistic conspiracy theories. Hmm.... at least we know why he directs the kind of movies he does...

[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 5, 2007]

"Why he directs the kind of movies he does"...you mean money-making ENTERTAINING blockbusters lately?

Better than sit down and have to watch the insipid 300 or oveblown Beowulf....

[Post edited by mvckalel on Dec 5, 2007]

mvckalel,

Our taste in movies aren't the same, and I was merely giving my opinion - which is that Bay movies demand too much from the viewer (me) in the suspension of reality to make these movies "work". It's not only his movies, but many high grossing films that have graced the Hollywood landscape of late. Michael Bay just has a knack for consistently making such movies. Of all the popcorn movies he's directed, the only movie I 'secretly' enjoyed was "The Island".

Edit: BTW, I don't think 300 is a great movie either. I've never seen Beowulf. I'm more into Indie films, foreign stuff, or Hollywood non-money making movies like Hotel Rwanda and such. I'm not a teenager anymore.

[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 5, 2007]

Ironacally I find the Island a little weird...it tries to be too much THX-1138 and Matrix and Terminator, that I wish he just had made a THX-1138 sequel...and yeah, I mean I like the weirdest movies, lol...

But I do believe that MS is fueling a war so that it doesn't benefit either format, that's it. Also remember that Microsoft is a very powerful company and it has the money and resources to do whatever it pleases and I believe that digital downloads are very likeable to succed since we got so many people using TiVo that I don't think downloading with a similar machine would be difficult, as long as we get better and faster broadband (you listening AT&T?)...by the way, I support Blu-ray for the capacity, but I think HD DVD is the most accessible to everybody...sorry, but GO BLU!

I'm no teenager anymore either, but heck, I can't get enough of explosions, lasers, ships...

[Post edited by mvckalel on Dec 5, 2007]

Now you're talkin'. THX-1138 was a great movie, and obviously in a different class than popcorn features like "The Island". I don't mind special effects and great explosions either, but it's nice to have your cake and eat it too - without the the entire plot and and dialog a mix of mindless clichés, and empty/unreal characters whose motivation for what they do falls into the "suspend reality also" category.

I don't believe digital "downloads" of movies to either PC or some sort of proprietary set-top boxes is going to be the format to displace Blu-ray or HD DVD. It's more likely to be HD VOD from our friendly cable providers. Imagine, for just $39.95 per month and having unlimited access to an instant viewable library of over 20,000 HD movie titles with real time streamed bit rates averaging over 20Mbps with Mpeg-4 or even a more advanced future codec. And all movie titles are searchable by director, title keywords, actors, etc. That is the future. And it's a future that's pretty distant still IMO. The infrastructure for the bandwidth required alone will take another decade or more to be realized and billions upon billions of investment dollars.