Blu-ray Potter fans beware
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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Another example of Blue-Ray rushing things out of the door before totally correct. Keep in Mind that I have both a stand alone A3 and Bp-1200 blue ray player. I got the blue ray player free just to cover my bases, but almost all of the issues seem to come from Blue-ray dics.
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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Another example of Blue-Ray rushing things out of the door before totally correct.
Actually this wasn't released by "Blu-ray", and the BDA doesn't release disks in any case. This Blu-ray title "which might be an HD DVD!" was released by Warner which is a studio that supports both formats. Hence, you are incorrect and you would be more accurate to say that Warner has rushed its product out the door, since the responsibility of such a mix-up lies with the company responsible for its release. There is nothing inherently special about the Blu-ray format itself that would lend it more likely to be mixed up and have an HD DVD instead included in its blue case.
I'm sure Warner will correct this problem quickly by offering an exchange of the correct format for those affected.
What concerned me more about Warner was what I consider to be excessive levels of EE and digital sharpening applied to "Order of the Phoenix" (the only one I've watched so far). Although it's noticeable throughout, luckily it leaves visible ringing artifacts in only the very few brightly lit, contrasty scenes in this otherwise dark movie. But these levels of applied EE are new to Warner, especially for a new release and I hope it's not a sign of things to come from future Warner titles or the HD media format in general.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 13, 2007]
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You are correct. My mistake. Just another example of me rushing posts out the door before totally correct.
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Well from what I read some people are saying these "HD-DVD's" won't even play in HD-DVD players. So it sounds like someone put rejected discs in the outgoing shipping or something. Right now warner is asking people to return the ENTIRE set (if you ordered it from them) which kinda sucks.
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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Skyhawk,
I don't understand, (maybe cause I don't own any of the HP movies). Are these HP movies marked as Blu ray or are they marked as HDDVD?
[Post edited by tony1569 on Dec 13, 2007]
I don't understand, (maybe cause I don't own any of the HP movies). Are these HP movies marked as Blu ray or are they marked as HDDVD?
[Post edited by tony1569 on Dec 13, 2007]
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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Warner does it, again!!
How many times? They did it with the gigantic Superman boxset, lets hope for those of you who will buy the multi disc edition of Blade Runner don't come up with something as this...
and it is Warner's fault.
Oh, by the way, should I still wait to get the replacement copy of Superman III from Warner
? Not that I care for the movie, which, IMO, is the worst Superman ever (Superman IV is actually very entertaining).
[Post edited by mvckalel on Dec 13, 2007]
How many times? They did it with the gigantic Superman boxset, lets hope for those of you who will buy the multi disc edition of Blade Runner don't come up with something as this...
and it is Warner's fault.Oh, by the way, should I still wait to get the replacement copy of Superman III from Warner
? Not that I care for the movie, which, IMO, is the worst Superman ever (Superman IV is actually very entertaining).
[Post edited by mvckalel on Dec 13, 2007]
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Is Superman 3 the one where he gets drunk? Yeah that was bad.
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but it does have that cool "Superman vs Clark Kent" fight in the junkyard, which I loved as a kid.
Skyhawk....what you say worries me on OTTP. While I felt the movie was rushed due to its length versus the book, I say it ranks as my second favorite film and was excited to see it again, but if there is bad EE in it...that just makes me sad. And I KNOW the Blu version would likely have it as well, considering they're most certainly using the same master.
Also, the danm things better play. On the last few weeks, I've had three HD-DVDs give me the error code and not play and I can't say its making me very happy.
Skyhawk....what you say worries me on OTTP. While I felt the movie was rushed due to its length versus the book, I say it ranks as my second favorite film and was excited to see it again, but if there is bad EE in it...that just makes me sad. And I KNOW the Blu version would likely have it as well, considering they're most certainly using the same master.
Also, the danm things better play. On the last few weeks, I've had three HD-DVDs give me the error code and not play and I can't say its making me very happy.
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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Tony,
The disk included with the Blu-ray collection actually had the HD DVD label on it, and at least some people reported that they did play in their HD DVD players. Imagine the expression on a real fanatical Blu-ray supporter upon excitedly opening their new collection and discovering that!
I know it's probably not funny for the people affected by it, but it's just too ironic.
I bet some poor guy who delivered the wrong dolly of spindles to the packaging machine at the replicating plant is in a bit of trouble! They should use blue colored plastic to cover the Blu-ray spindle dollies, and red colored plastic to cover the red ones
JServo,
The EE on Order of the Phoenix may or may not bother you, since it's not quite as bad as Tremors, but ringing artifacts are particularly visible in the opening scene at the playground (halos around heads against sky), and a later panoramic valley shot (halos around mountains against sky). The "digital sharpened look" is noticeable for me on most other scenes, even without the ringing artifacts. Keep in mind I'm projecting my image @ 130" with a viewing distance of 12 to 13 feet. Even if it doesn't bug those with smaller displays, I don't see any reason why this amount of post-processing EE is required on what is a highly detailed transfer. It benefits no one.
And JServo, perhaps it's a possibility that HD DVDs not playing in your player is because of something wrong with your player? I remember with my very expensive first standard DVD player, I started to have disks I bought that would not play. Most would, but as time went on the number of unplayable disks increased. I eventually took it into the shop, and the guy said that a very slight misalignment of the lens was responsible. Because it was so slight, it made the player more sensitive to irregularities on the DVDs that it otherwise should have played through. After he fixed it, everything played fine that wouldn't play before.
It may be worth it just to bring over one of your HD DVD disks that don't play to a friends house (or store) and have them try playing it in their HD DVD player. If it plays fine, you may consider the possibility that the problem is with your player.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 13, 2007]
The disk included with the Blu-ray collection actually had the HD DVD label on it, and at least some people reported that they did play in their HD DVD players. Imagine the expression on a real fanatical Blu-ray supporter upon excitedly opening their new collection and discovering that!
I know it's probably not funny for the people affected by it, but it's just too ironic.I bet some poor guy who delivered the wrong dolly of spindles to the packaging machine at the replicating plant is in a bit of trouble! They should use blue colored plastic to cover the Blu-ray spindle dollies, and red colored plastic to cover the red ones
JServo,
The EE on Order of the Phoenix may or may not bother you, since it's not quite as bad as Tremors, but ringing artifacts are particularly visible in the opening scene at the playground (halos around heads against sky), and a later panoramic valley shot (halos around mountains against sky). The "digital sharpened look" is noticeable for me on most other scenes, even without the ringing artifacts. Keep in mind I'm projecting my image @ 130" with a viewing distance of 12 to 13 feet. Even if it doesn't bug those with smaller displays, I don't see any reason why this amount of post-processing EE is required on what is a highly detailed transfer. It benefits no one.
And JServo, perhaps it's a possibility that HD DVDs not playing in your player is because of something wrong with your player? I remember with my very expensive first standard DVD player, I started to have disks I bought that would not play. Most would, but as time went on the number of unplayable disks increased. I eventually took it into the shop, and the guy said that a very slight misalignment of the lens was responsible. Because it was so slight, it made the player more sensitive to irregularities on the DVDs that it otherwise should have played through. After he fixed it, everything played fine that wouldn't play before.
It may be worth it just to bring over one of your HD DVD disks that don't play to a friends house (or store) and have them try playing it in their HD DVD player. If it plays fine, you may consider the possibility that the problem is with your player.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 13, 2007]
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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"What concerned me more about Warner was what I consider to be excessive levels of EE and digital sharpening applied to "Order of the Phoenix."" --Skyhawk
The HD DVD and Blu-ray transfers of "The Order of the Phoenix" do, indeed, come from the same telecine master, and I am assured by those who have compared them that they look identical in both formats. Anyway, I looked again, very closely from a few inches, at the parts of "Order of the Phoenix" you say show excessive edge enhancement, and I can see no such condition. I wonder if you have the sharpness on your own television turned up too high? Here's what other reviewers besides me have said about the "Phoenix" video:
"The video is nearly flawless as well, with only a couple of longer shots looking a little sparse for detail, but we are talking about maybe 10 seconds out of an over 2 hour movie! One interesting aspect to the detail provided in HD is that during a scene transition with a camera flying through the snow, you can see the image of Voldemort formed by the snowflakes. Rewatching this scene on the DVD version of the movie all of the snowflakes are much more "fuzzy" and this detail is obscured. You have to love 1080p!" --David Vaughn, Home Theater Spot
"For a long time, I've felt that 'Good Night, and Good Luck' offered the best video out of all my HD DVDs. However, this 2.40:1 1080p VC-1 transfer bests that disc's despite the mix of live-action and computer-generated footage. Although the movie still has that shot-on-film feel, it doesn't have excessive grain or noise. Detail is outstanding." --Yunda Eddie Feng, DVDBeaver (with HD DVD screen shots of the opening scene you describe)
And no one has mentioned an EE problem with "Phoenix" at the AVS Forums' "HD Disk (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) EE and DNR list."
John
[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Dec 13, 2007]
The HD DVD and Blu-ray transfers of "The Order of the Phoenix" do, indeed, come from the same telecine master, and I am assured by those who have compared them that they look identical in both formats. Anyway, I looked again, very closely from a few inches, at the parts of "Order of the Phoenix" you say show excessive edge enhancement, and I can see no such condition. I wonder if you have the sharpness on your own television turned up too high? Here's what other reviewers besides me have said about the "Phoenix" video:
"The video is nearly flawless as well, with only a couple of longer shots looking a little sparse for detail, but we are talking about maybe 10 seconds out of an over 2 hour movie! One interesting aspect to the detail provided in HD is that during a scene transition with a camera flying through the snow, you can see the image of Voldemort formed by the snowflakes. Rewatching this scene on the DVD version of the movie all of the snowflakes are much more "fuzzy" and this detail is obscured. You have to love 1080p!" --David Vaughn, Home Theater Spot
"For a long time, I've felt that 'Good Night, and Good Luck' offered the best video out of all my HD DVDs. However, this 2.40:1 1080p VC-1 transfer bests that disc's despite the mix of live-action and computer-generated footage. Although the movie still has that shot-on-film feel, it doesn't have excessive grain or noise. Detail is outstanding." --Yunda Eddie Feng, DVDBeaver (with HD DVD screen shots of the opening scene you describe)
And no one has mentioned an EE problem with "Phoenix" at the AVS Forums' "HD Disk (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) EE and DNR list."
John
[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Dec 13, 2007]
