Re: Blu-ray Potter fans beware
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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Skyhawk-
thanks for the advice. I would take it back for a new one, but it was the Wally World special, so I dunno if they even have them anymore. So I'll just monitor it for now - only one was a new disk, the other two were rental disks and one wasn't in the best condition. I'll see if HP has any issues and work from there.
thanks for the advice. I would take it back for a new one, but it was the Wally World special, so I dunno if they even have them anymore. So I'll just monitor it for now - only one was a new disk, the other two were rental disks and one wasn't in the best condition. I'll see if HP has any issues and work from there.
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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Though It is alittle funny that a hardcore Blu ray fan may open this set for the first time and soil his or her self but some unknowing person is gonna open this up on Xmas day and be pretty upset hopefully it didn't happen with to many.
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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So do y'all recommend this fifth movie in DVD, HD DVD or Blu-ray, regardless of anything else???
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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mvckalel,
Are you asking for a recommendation in terms of video quality, audio quality, or film value? In terms of video quality, the BD and HD DVD transfers are identical, taken from the same telecine master and using the same codec. I've watched all five of the "Potter" movies now in HD DVD, and I think the fifth is the sharpest and cleanest looking.
But like anything else, judging video is not a science, it's subjective. What one person thinks is a beautiful picture, someone else might not like for whatever reason. As Skyhawk says, to him it looks like WB used some edge enhancement to clarify the picture of the fifth installment. I don't see that, but if someone does, he does, and it could spoil the movie for him.
One thing is certain: All of the "Potter" movies look better in high def, whether you choose BD or HD DVD.
John
[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Dec 13, 2007]
Are you asking for a recommendation in terms of video quality, audio quality, or film value? In terms of video quality, the BD and HD DVD transfers are identical, taken from the same telecine master and using the same codec. I've watched all five of the "Potter" movies now in HD DVD, and I think the fifth is the sharpest and cleanest looking.
But like anything else, judging video is not a science, it's subjective. What one person thinks is a beautiful picture, someone else might not like for whatever reason. As Skyhawk says, to him it looks like WB used some edge enhancement to clarify the picture of the fifth installment. I don't see that, but if someone does, he does, and it could spoil the movie for him.
One thing is certain: All of the "Potter" movies look better in high def, whether you choose BD or HD DVD.
John
[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Dec 13, 2007]
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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Quote:
The HD DVD and Blu-ray transfers of "The Order of the Phoenix" do, indeed, come from the same telecine master, and I am assured by those who have compared them that they look identical in both formats. Anyway, I looked again, very closely from a few inches, at the parts of "Order of the Phoenix" you say show excessive edge enhancement, and I can see no such condition. I wonder if you have the sharpness on your own television turned up too high?
Yes I'm aware that both formats use the same master, and on top of that likely use the same bit-for-bit VC-1 encode since Warner usually does it this way. I wasn't implying that this EE existed on one format and not the other.
Being an AV enthusiast, I can assure you my sharpness remains "off" on my projector settings. I've actually taken a lot of time to calibrate my equipment. Although published reviews may differ, I stand by my claim that Warner has applied excessive EE to this title - much more so than other Warner titles I've seen lately. Again, it wasn't on a level of Tremors and it didn't "ruin the film" for me as you kindly assume, but if wanted to digitally sharpen my picture I'd do it at the display. On my 130" 1080p display, it was noticeable.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 13, 2007]
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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"...it didn't 'ruin the film' for me as you kindly assume." --Skyhawk
Skyhawk,
I'm sorry you misread my remarks. I certainly didn't say the EE ruined the film for you. I said "I don't see that (the EE you see), but if someone does, he does, and it could spoil the movie for him." I made no mention of your name in this regard. I was speaking in generalities. Different people look at the same thing and see different things. We can't all agree on everything.
I see no EE or ringing or halos in "Phoenix," and neither does anyone else I've talked to. But you say you have a bigger screen than most people have, so if you see it, you see it.
John
Skyhawk,
I'm sorry you misread my remarks. I certainly didn't say the EE ruined the film for you. I said "I don't see that (the EE you see), but if someone does, he does, and it could spoil the movie for him." I made no mention of your name in this regard. I was speaking in generalities. Different people look at the same thing and see different things. We can't all agree on everything.
I see no EE or ringing or halos in "Phoenix," and neither does anyone else I've talked to. But you say you have a bigger screen than most people have, so if you see it, you see it.
John
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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Oh well John, at least I agree totally with this:
Although it may be an understatement
Edit: John, they're only just starting to talk about EE and Phoenix now at the AVSForum. Perhaps someone will post some screen shots (computer captured) there soon, and you'll see what I was talking about on the most problematic scenes.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 13, 2007]
Quote:
One thing is certain: All of the "Potter" movies look better in high def, whether you choose BD or HD DVD.
Although it may be an understatement
Edit: John, they're only just starting to talk about EE and Phoenix now at the AVSForum. Perhaps someone will post some screen shots (computer captured) there soon, and you'll see what I was talking about on the most problematic scenes.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 13, 2007]
Thursday, December 13, 2007
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[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Dec 14, 2007]
INTO THE BLUE - movie from a few years ago, starring Paul Walker, Jessica Alba, Scott Caan, and others - and how these scuba-diving friends discover an old shipwreck with possible treasure, etc (+ more storyline involving a downed cocaine-carrying cargo plane submerged in the water nearby).
Tonight, on AOL News is a story of a pirate ship (from Captain Kidd), discovered in very clear water off the coast of the Dominican Republic, in less than 10 feet of water... READ THE STORY
DVDTOWN - where movies matter
-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)
~ DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray owner ~
[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Dec 14, 2007]
Friday, December 14, 2007
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Skyhawk,
Could you post a link to the AVS Forums thread where they talk about EE in "Phoenix." I've looked but cannot find it. It's not in the official "HD Disk (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) EE and DNR list," but I only skimmed the other HD threads. Thanks.
Oh, and DVDBeaver has posted screenshots from "Phoenix":
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews34/harry_potter_order_phoenix_hd.htm
John
[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Dec 14, 2007]
Could you post a link to the AVS Forums thread where they talk about EE in "Phoenix." I've looked but cannot find it. It's not in the official "HD Disk (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) EE and DNR list," but I only skimmed the other HD threads. Thanks.
Oh, and DVDBeaver has posted screenshots from "Phoenix":
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews34/harry_potter_order_phoenix_hd.htm
John
[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Dec 14, 2007]
Friday, December 14, 2007
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Hi John,
Thanks for the link to the screen shots. In the hope that some of the ringing artifacts were preserved when these screen shots were drastically down-sized to 615x265, I simply expanded the right upper corner of the first screen shot in your link using Photoshop without sharpening or other processing:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/Sky_44/ee.jpg
Although most of the HD resolution was lost in the downsizing of the screen shot, as you can see much of the ringing artifacts were preserved. This is exactly what I see on my projector, only @ 130" and at much higher resolution of course. Even with the random screen shots posted (none of which represent the most offending shots I've seen in this film), if it were posted at their native 1920×1080 the ringing would be obvious - considering the halos had to extend many, many pixels for their preservation upon being downsized.
It isn't the ringing/halos that bother me as much as the "edgy" fake quality it lends to the overall movie.
I'll be back tomorrow and point you out the thread, but the discussion as I saw it was only in its starting stage, with two posters mentioning the ringing/EE, and others simply saying that they found the PQ less than outstanding. Of course with about a dozen threads going there ...
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 14, 2007]
Thanks for the link to the screen shots. In the hope that some of the ringing artifacts were preserved when these screen shots were drastically down-sized to 615x265, I simply expanded the right upper corner of the first screen shot in your link using Photoshop without sharpening or other processing:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/Sky_44/ee.jpg
Although most of the HD resolution was lost in the downsizing of the screen shot, as you can see much of the ringing artifacts were preserved. This is exactly what I see on my projector, only @ 130" and at much higher resolution of course. Even with the random screen shots posted (none of which represent the most offending shots I've seen in this film), if it were posted at their native 1920×1080 the ringing would be obvious - considering the halos had to extend many, many pixels for their preservation upon being downsized.
It isn't the ringing/halos that bother me as much as the "edgy" fake quality it lends to the overall movie.
I'll be back tomorrow and point you out the thread, but the discussion as I saw it was only in its starting stage, with two posters mentioning the ringing/EE, and others simply saying that they found the PQ less than outstanding. Of course with about a dozen threads going there ...
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Dec 14, 2007]
