Re: Terminator 3 has Blu problems

So why don't the HD DVD version of the same movies have any issues? You're right, bluray is superior

I guess all those bluray re-issues for poor video quality and those software updates they have to scramble to get out to the customers because the interactive features don't work on new releases (ahem Fantastic Four), ya that's not an issue with bluray at all.

[Post edited by Falcon01 on Jan 1, 2008]

Well I think only the problems on this particular Warner title, come from the Blu-Ray format. In this case fakeing PIP because it isn't a 1.1 disc.

movielover.....bd is faking it?....wtf????
its the superior format, so $ony says....it cant be true.....





im lying its not a superior format at all......

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Well I think only the problems on this particular Warner title, come from the Blu-Ray format. In this case fakeing PIP because it isn't a 1.1 disc.

Considering Warner could have easily put 3 versions of the 1080p movie on the disk and still have room for lossless L-PCM, at least the less fanatical HD DVD shrills among us realize that Warner has some serious quality control issues that has nothing to do with formats.

Warner could have also chosen to put true PiP on this Blu-ray release, but their history of cutting corners to save a few dollars by not providing separate encodes for the two formats to take advantage of each format's strengths makes this unsurprising. This is one reason why I hope more studios don't go duel format - well just get the lowest common denominator that works with both.

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I guess all those bluray re-issues for poor video quality and those software updates they have to scramble to get out to the customers because the interactive features don't work on new releases (ahem Fantastic Four), ya that's not an issue with bluray at all.

The Blu-ray "re-issues for poor video quality" you refer to is the early Blu-ray release of "The Fifth Element" that was recalled due to softness caused by post-processing to remove all film grain by Sony (DNR), and has nothing to do with the format itself. Sony choose to redo this and offer a free exchange, and I commend them for that. It seems the early adopters like myself have voted that we don't want film grain removed at the expense of detail loss. I'm glad Sony listened. I just wish more studios for both HD DVD and Blu-ray offer a free exchange on their early duds when these inevitably get redone. I hate paying for double-dipping (but I'll likely do it anyway).

It's understandable that a non-technical person who has little knowledge of what hi-definition disk formats actually are would get mixed up and think "The Fifth Element" was recalled because of a Blu-ray format limitation, especially when it seems you don't own either format. I know this because if you did at least own HD DVD, you'd know they've also scrambled to get firmware updates out several times within the last year, and you'd be experienced at installing them by now.

True, but a firmware update on my HD-DVD player doesn't render it obsolete, unlike Blu's profile 1.1.
Doesn't affact me, though, since I have the only player Blu is really concerned with (PS3).

Let's be smart. This is not a Blu issue or an HD-DVD issue (unless you're a regular at bluray.com, then I think even the Crucifixtion was HD-DVD's fault) its Warner's replication plant. Its not because its dual format (and is this a new Blu tactic to compare VC-1 to AVC? It's like FauxNews...one person says something and suddenly I see it repeated consistently right thereafter. Did Blu hire Karl Rove?) but because people aren't doing their job. Plain and simple.

My argument remains, these issues don't happen on the HD DVD version of the same movies and it's not because it's inferior in any way. Reality is bluray is STILL an incomplete format. The only bluray players that can use the picture-in-picture feature on bluray movies are PS3 and Pansonic DMP-BD30 at this moment. You think this is ok? How many different models of bluray players are out there? What happened to all those early adopters? Might as well tell everyone to get a PS3.

Personally I've only updated my HD DVD player once, the day I got it, and I have had no issues at all, not once. The only reason I updated it is to make sure I had the latest software. Every HD DVD player made since day one has an ethernet port for updates and will be able to use picture-in-picture and every other interactive feature the studios throw at them. No software updates needed. Not all bluray players even have ethernet ports so you won't be able to update them. Imagine getting one of these players and trying to use PIP and it doesn't work. What do you tell that customer? Sorry Sir your model cannot use the picture-in-picture feature. So the movie says it has PIP but my player can't use it, nice

There are just too many headaches with bluray and its one problem after another. Imagine you're a studio and you have to plan out the interactive features on the disk. What would you plan it around, profile 1.1, 2.0? It's a nightmare. What other profiles will they have to plan around?

Robocop and The Fifth Element were not the only movies that looked attrocious on bluray but you're right they re-issued them with better versions and switched them for free, good move.

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To be fair the HD DVD version of Terminator 3 is encoded in 1080P/24 fps with interactive features and it has ZERO issues.

All the issues Warner is having with the bluray versions of the same movies have to do with the format, not the studio.

roger that. i own this one. as a matter of fact i never had ANY problems, and I'm about to hit 50 HDDVD Titles.

Good point Falcon, I do agree with Skyhawk that Warner has had some serious quality control issues, as the recent problems with the Bladerunner and Harry Potter have shown. However if the 1.1 profile had been finalized at Blu-Ray launch, warner wouldn't have had to fake PIP so the extras work on every Blu-ray player on the market, not just the PS3 and the Panasonic.

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My argument remains, these issues don't happen on the HD DVD version of the same movies and it's not because it's inferior in any way. Reality is bluray is STILL an incomplete format. The only bluray players that can use the picture-in-picture feature on bluray movies are PS3 and Pansonic DMP-BD30 at this moment.

Regardless about your feelings concerning PiP and your opinion on the "completeness of the Blu-ray format", how does PiP cause a studio to include an HD DVD instead of a Blu-ray in their Blu-ray box set? How does PiP cause a studio to mistakenly issue a 1080i version of a movie? Or is this PiP rant of yours just a silly attempt to derail the original thread and it's subject?