New Line drops HD DVD as well

As an HDDVD owner I am happy this may lead to the end of the HD format war.
Having the two separate formats is confusing to people who aren't reading their
"digital digests"

The Warner loss to the HDDVD camp could cause Toshiba to do something drastic like
cutting all HDDVD players below the $100 price point, but personally I'd rather them bow out and build a $200 Bluray player.

All this means to me is that I will have three disc drives for my Xbox360 one day.

but why would you even buy an X360.

x360 has no games and is a low powered and defective console.

KZ2,FF13,MGS4 are all ps3 exclusive.

BUY a PS3 ---u get a BLU RAY player as well as the most powerful console in the market.

Why play cartoon HALO 3 when you can play ultrarealistic UNCHARTED on PS3

PS3 vs X360---------thx AMIT PAUL for the post

**************************************************************************

INTRODUCTION

This is an article to refute and dispel the negative comments circulating around based on commments from worst anti-sony man JOHN CARMACK .
CARMACK was bashed back in 2005 when he said "Doom 3 is not possible on ps2". Gaffe proved him wrong by bringing GOD OF WAR --one of the technical and graphical marvel of LAST GEN.

as for doFrad it doesnt even know what it is talking about. Its editor was a former MS employee just like JON HANNIBAL of arsenetica. HANNIBAL was also a former MS employee

**********************************************************

CELL vs XENON vs QUAD CORE

CELL is around 4--5x as powerful as the QUAD CORE processor. Anyone who runs FOLDING HOME project will notice that CELL dissipates 250GFLOPS of energy per sec

However lets get down to the benchmaks
*********************************************************


IN RAW FLOPS crunching CELL is 3x as XENON

http:/* mbers.forbes.com/global/2006/0213/070A.html *

However XENON cant do any of procedural sysnthesis of PROFX

http://www.psu.com/4D-Graphics--A-reality-only-for-PlayStation-3-Feature--a1063-p0.php

Neither can it do TRE,RAYTRACING,RAYCASTING ,Linear matrices at 256k etc



*********************************************



IBM's take on XENON and CELL.


Note:- IBM is the maker of both CELL and XENON

Speed Thrills: Cell Zaps Rivals
Cell
IBM, SONY, TOSHIBA
Transistors
(mil)
234
Performance
(gigaflops)
230
Xbox 360
processor
IBM
Transistors
(mil)
165
Performance
(gigaflops)
77
Pentium 4
Extreme Edition 840
Intel
Transistors
(mil)
250
Performance
(gigaflops)
26

Sources: Microprocessor Report IBM.



IBM themselves are stating that CELL is 3x as powerful as XENON in raw flops crunching. NOTE :- this report was released prior to the release of OCTOPILER ----the default compiler for CELL.

**************************************************

Here are the complete list of Benchmarks for Cell .
NOTE:- all these were released before the advent of OCTOPILER.

BUT according to these benchmarks a CELL is around 20x as powerful as any of the High end DUEL -CORE desktop processors including XEONS and OPTERONS


Cell beats 7800gt by 6:1 .This should give people an idea about why KZ2,LAIR and other ps3 titles look wayy better than anything available on any other platform. Cell's ability to carry out Graphical tasks are also consolidated with this benchmark

http://www.gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2005/11/30/gpus-vs-cell/

****Now MC systems take on Cell

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf

http://www.mc.com/microsites/cell/demo.aspx

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-WP.pdf

RESULT:- Cell murders PC cores


********************************************************
Now lets see what UC@ Berkeley had to say on CELL

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf

RESULT :- in SP calculation (which is related to gaming ) a Cell is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the most powerful OPTERON available today. The margin shoots to 60x in some perf like TRE and STENCIL

******************************************************


This is IBM's take on CELL.
NOTE :- the becnhmarks were released prior to the release of OCTOPILER

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/

RESULT :- Cell murders competition

*****************************************************

MIT ---world's no 1 university in engineering is claiming that the performace of CELL could be multiplied even by 6x/7x with the release of a bypass multipurpose and multiphase COMPILERS

http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf


******************************************************

CELL vs QUAD CORE

a CELL processor is roughly 5x as powerful as 2X QUAD CORE setup.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=125691


thanks to BEYOND 3D and PSU

************************************************

Unlike normal processors a Cell do do full fledged raytracing at 720p @ 30fps

IN RAYTRACING a CELL is 130 x as FASTER as XENON /any duel core processor available today

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-R4bUZIQw

****JALWA of FULL FLEDGED RAYTRACING

a CELL beats 8800 GTX in RAYTRACING by 5:1

http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/?p=187

http://www.power.org/swsummit/download/SW_Summit_PS3_Experience_Joaquin.pdf


http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~benthin/cellrt06.pdf


http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2006/06/19/ray-tracing-receiving-new-focus/


http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-246X.1995.tb06861.x********************************************************

NOW lets head to GPU.

there has been common misconception all around that RSX is weaker than XENOS which is utter BS

Lets take down the benchmarks of the 2

**********************************************

PS3 can do 51 billion dot products per second

XENOS can do 33 billion dot products per second

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech

NOTE :--although RSX is 7800gtx/7900gtx based ..Its architecture has been tweaked later by NIVIDIA

Proof:-

7800gtx has 24 pixel shaders .
RSX has 28 pixel shaders . 24 of them are active and 4 are partially disabled at the moment


XENOS on the other hand is R420 based.

Here is anandtech's take on XENOS

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7

The unified shader thing is a hoax and unlike the dedicated shaders of RSX xenos' unified pipelines are indeed very weak


RSX has a texel filrate of 13.2 g/s
XENOS has a texel filrate of 8g/s

RSX can do 136 shader ops per second
XENOS can do 96 shader ops per second

RSX has 32 dedicted pixel shaders and 8 vertex shaders
XENOS has 48 unified shaders

RSX has a clock freqency of 550 HZ
XENOS has a clock frequency of 500MHZ


RSX is DX 9 compatible but supports all future revisions of OPEN GL
XENOS supports DX 9 C+ and supports OPEN GL till 2.0 ONLY

RSX has a diameter of 258mm^2 and is a 90nm chip
7900gtx has a diamter of 196mm^2 and is also a 90nm chip
Xenos has a diameter of 160mm^2 for the mother die and 100mm^2 for the daughter die

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=65446

PS3 has a total bandwidth of 22g/s + 28g/s ( video + system)
XENOS has a total bandwidth of 22g/s (unified).the edram bandwidth of 256g/s is irrelevant at resolutions above 720p.

even at lower resolutions it makes up for the lack of 360s total bandwidth . However this theory fails in games which reqires intrinsic data processing eg UT3 and DEAD RISING


****************************************************

CONCLUSION:_ BY all means a CELL thx to EDGE and iRT is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the XENON. However the margin shoots up in some applications as revealed by the benchmarks.

The CELL excels in anything that requires heavy processing. A QUAD CORE to some extent can do those calculations at a much slower speed . However the XENON cant do any of the HEAVY INTRINSIC PROCESSING as in PROCEDUAL SYNTHESIS of PROFX (see above)

The RSX is also significantly more powerful than XENOS but not as efficient at the moment . BUT things would change just like the way it had after the inclusion of EDGE,iRT and RAPIDMIND SDK for PS3.


******************************************************

The RAPIDMIND SDK is just a tweaked version of SDK that is normally used with supercomputers.

https://developer.rapidmind.net/hidden/news/2007/rapidmind-and-terra-soft-partner-to-unleash-playstationae-3-for-linux-developers

******************************************************


FINAL WORDS:- BY all means a CELL is wayy more powerful than not just XENON but anything available in the market today.
RSX is also more powerful than XENOS but we will have to wait a little more to see the JALWA

[Post edited by tanod on Jan 5, 2008]

Wow talk about fan boy, Tanod.

360 is the best gaming system out there. Mass effect , Bio shock, Ninja Gaiden 2 is coming out soon. Halo 3, your just pissed you cant play it. Sony is purging money selling its system below cost, sure maybe the online service is supposed to be free but just what is the purpose of giving things away for free, its called selling your soul to he DEVIL. sooner or later you pay the piper.

I hope Godzilla really does attack Japan and eats SONY. hehe, whatever. geez theres enough Pie for everyone. If you buy a system and enjoy the games stop bagging on other peoples choice.
I'm sure this announcement by the studios will put a nail in the coffin of the xbox 360 built with HD drive though, no point.

why would i play cartoon HALO 3 when i can play KZ2 ?

not even the XBOTS play Halo3 anymore cuz they NOW play COD4 ---looks and plays much better despite being a multiplat game

PS3 is the best gaming device. We have Uncharted ---that makes anything on x360 look like a wii game,Heavenly Sword,Resistance,Motorstorm,NGS, Ut3,Ratchet etc even in 2007

Not to mention 2008 is solely SONY's year

The biggest games of this era --FF13 and MGS4 are all PS3 exclusive

PS3 FTW

x360 only fit for repair workshop

I love when a fanboy brings up Killzone 2. Wow, a sequel to an extremely mediocre game. Woot! Sign me up. And yeah, you can read review that say the same damn thing.

MGS? The ending of the Matrix was less confusing anymore. FF? Sucked since 9. As for your recent releases, only Uncharted and R&C are good games.

360 still rules the rest of the world beyond Japan, because those fools would have SONY stamped into their foreheads if they could they're so mindless.

I actually had to create an account to respond to this nonsense. The x360 has sold over 17 million untits. If you look at top ten game lists from last year the majority of games are playable on the 360. Xbox live is the dominate on line gaming experience. You appear to be a PS3 fan boy spewing out bad info to confuse the public.

well, look when they signed up. Anyone wanna bet they have an account on bluray.com?

x360 didnt sell 17.7 million units.

MS shipped 17.7m units

MS sold around 16m X360s

around 9m PS3s have been sold till date

http://www.vgchartz.com

x360's only battelground left is NA.

In EU and JAPAN PS3 outsells the x360 in terms of softwares and hardwares

However X360 will fully die this year in NA(north america) AS WELL

X360 without games is fit only for repair shop just like the defunct HD DVD


PS3 vs X360

****************************************************************************

INTRODUCTION

This is an article to refute and dispel the negative comments circulating around based on commments from worst anti-sony man JOHN CARMACK .
CARMACK was bashed back in 2005 when he said "Doom 3 is not possible on ps2". Gaffe proved him wrong by bringing GOD OF WAR --one of the technical and graphical marvel of LAST GEN.

as for doFrad it doesnt even know what it is talking about. Its editor was a former MS employee just like JON HANNIBAL of arsenetica. HANNIBAL was also a former MS employee

**********************************************************

CELL vs XENON vs QUAD CORE

CELL is around 4--5x as powerful as the QUAD CORE processor. Anyone who runs FOLDING HOME project will notice that CELL dissipates 250GFLOPS of energy per sec

However lets get down to the benchmaks
*********************************************************


IN RAW FLOPS crunching CELL is 3x as XENON

http:/* mbers.forbes.com/global/2006/0213/070A.html *

However XENON cant do any of procedural sysnthesis of PROFX

http://www.psu.com/4D-Graphics--A-reality-only-for-PlayStation-3-Feature--a1063-p0.php

Neither can it do TRE,RAYTRACING,RAYCASTING ,Linear matrices at 256k etc



*********************************************



IBM's take on XENON and CELL.


Note:- IBM is the maker of both CELL and XENON

Speed Thrills: Cell Zaps Rivals
Cell
IBM, SONY, TOSHIBA
Transistors
(mil)
234
Performance
(gigaflops)
230
Xbox 360
processor
IBM
Transistors
(mil)
165
Performance
(gigaflops)
77
Pentium 4
Extreme Edition 840
Intel
Transistors
(mil)
250
Performance
(gigaflops)
26

Sources: Microprocessor Report IBM.



IBM themselves are stating that CELL is 3x as powerful as XENON in raw flops crunching. NOTE :- this report was released prior to the release of OCTOPILER ----the default compiler for CELL.

**************************************************

Here are the complete list of Benchmarks for Cell .
NOTE:- all these were released before the advent of OCTOPILER.

BUT according to these benchmarks a CELL is around 20x as powerful as any of the High end DUEL -CORE desktop processors including XEONS and OPTERONS


Cell beats 7800gt by 6:1 .This should give people an idea about why KZ2,LAIR and other ps3 titles look wayy better than anything available on any other platform. Cell's ability to carry out Graphical tasks are also consolidated with this benchmark

http://www.gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2005/11/30/gpus-vs-cell/

****Now MC systems take on Cell

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf

http://www.mc.com/microsites/cell/demo.aspx

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-WP.pdf

RESULT:- Cell murders PC cores


********************************************************
Now lets see what UC@ Berkeley had to say on CELL

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf

RESULT :- in SP calculation (which is related to gaming ) a Cell is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the most powerful OPTERON available today. The margin shoots to 60x in some perf like TRE and STENCIL

******************************************************


This is IBM's take on CELL.
NOTE :- the becnhmarks were released prior to the release of OCTOPILER

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/

RESULT :- Cell murders competition

*****************************************************

MIT ---world's no 1 university in engineering is claiming that the performace of CELL could be multiplied even by 6x/7x with the release of a bypass multipurpose and multiphase COMPILERS

http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf


******************************************************

CELL vs QUAD CORE

a CELL processor is roughly 5x as powerful as 2X QUAD CORE setup.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=125691


thanks to BEYOND 3D and PSU

************************************************

Unlike normal processors a Cell do do full fledged raytracing at 720p @ 30fps

IN RAYTRACING a CELL is 130 x as FASTER as XENON /any duel core processor available today

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-R4bUZIQw

****JALWA of FULL FLEDGED RAYTRACING

a CELL beats 8800 GTX in RAYTRACING by 5:1

http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/?p=187

http://www.power.org/swsummit/download/SW_Summit_PS3_Experience_Joaquin.pdf


http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~benthin/cellrt06.pdf


http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2006/06/19/ray-tracing-receiving-new-focus/


http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-246X.1995.tb06861.x********************************************************

NOW lets head to GPU.

there has been common misconception all around that RSX is weaker than XENOS which is utter BS

Lets take down the benchmarks of the 2

**********************************************

PS3 can do 51 billion dot products per second

XENOS can do 33 billion dot products per second

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech

NOTE :--although RSX is 7800gtx/7900gtx based ..Its architecture has been tweaked later by NIVIDIA

Proof:-

7800gtx has 24 pixel shaders .
RSX has 28 pixel shaders . 24 of them are active and 4 are partially disabled at the moment


XENOS on the other hand is R420 based.

Here is anandtech's take on XENOS

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7

The unified shader thing is a hoax and unlike the dedicated shaders of RSX xenos' unified pipelines are indeed very weak


RSX has a texel filrate of 13.2 g/s
XENOS has a texel filrate of 8g/s

RSX can do 136 shader ops per second
XENOS can do 96 shader ops per second

RSX has 32 dedicted pixel shaders and 8 vertex shaders
XENOS has 48 unified shaders

RSX has a clock freqency of 550 HZ
XENOS has a clock frequency of 500MHZ


RSX is DX 9 compatible but supports all future revisions of OPEN GL
XENOS supports DX 9 C+ and supports OPEN GL till 2.0 ONLY

RSX has a diameter of 258mm^2 and is a 90nm chip
7900gtx has a diamter of 196mm^2 and is also a 90nm chip
Xenos has a diameter of 160mm^2 for the mother die and 100mm^2 for the daughter die

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=65446

PS3 has a total bandwidth of 22g/s + 28g/s ( video + system)
XENOS has a total bandwidth of 22g/s (unified).the edram bandwidth of 256g/s is irrelevant at resolutions above 720p.

even at lower resolutions it makes up for the lack of 360s total bandwidth . However this theory fails in games which reqires intrinsic data processing eg UT3 and DEAD RISING


****************************************************

CONCLUSION:_ BY all means a CELL thx to EDGE and iRT is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the XENON. However the margin shoots up in some applications as revealed by the benchmarks.

The CELL excels in anything that requires heavy processing. A QUAD CORE to some extent can do those calculations at a much slower speed . However the XENON cant do any of the HEAVY INTRINSIC PROCESSING as in PROCEDUAL SYNTHESIS of PROFX (see above)

The RSX is also significantly more powerful than XENOS but not as efficient at the moment . BUT things would change just like the way it had after the inclusion of EDGE,iRT and RAPIDMIND SDK for PS3.


******************************************************

The RAPIDMIND SDK is just a tweaked version of SDK that is normally used with supercomputers.

https://developer.rapidmind.net/hidden/news/2007/rapidmind-and-terra-soft-partner-to-unleash-playstationae-3-for-linux-developers

******************************************************


FINAL WORDS:- BY all means a CELL is wayy more powerful than not just XENON but anything available in the market today.
RSX is also more powerful than XENOS but we will have to wait a little more to see the JALWA

[Post edited by tanod on Jan 5, 2008]

VGA charts aren't the best place for info but lets go with their numbers. Shipped 17.7 million (most sites say have sold 17.7 but whatever) You want to assume they have 1 million sitting on shelves seems a bit high to me. The interesting thing is the PS3 isn't gaining ground. It's selling better than it was, but not outselling the 360 yet.

Quote:
The biggest games of this era --FF13 and MGS4 are all PS3 exclusive

The biggest game of 2008 will be GTA4 bar none and the 360 version will be better because it has exclusive DLC content the PS3 doesn't. Actually It be out right now for the 360 if the PS3 wasn't a pain in the ass to program for forcing them to delay both as they want to release them at the same time.

[Post edited by Movielover316 on Jan 5, 2008]

wow ps3 fanboys. How original.

So that means the Lord of the Rings on a 50 GB blu-ray disc....

too bad that knowing the BRD camp means it'll lkely only be the theatrical version...sans any extras.

tanod, your a dick.
$ony does the shipped count gag, ms doesnt
no games for the 360?...try approx 300.
how many does the grill have.....6?

remove head from backside before posting again please, or stay on bluray.com

Tanod you really have no idea what you are talking about. The 360 is a much better gaming system. Read any gaming magazine review of consoles and you'll see that all the PS3 has going for it is BR. Hands down the 360 is the gaming platform of choice. You said it yourself, 16.6 million 360's vs. 9 million PS3's. Not to mention I would imagine 20% of the PS3's sold over Christmas were just to be used as BR players.

To all the unaware people in this thread, pls chk this
http://www.n4g.com/up/22299/comments.aspx

This guy Tanod is the biggest sony fanboi on the N4G gaming site and has polluted it with his idiotic posts. I see you guys are more mature and decent here and have really shut him up . Good work.

... and I drop New Line. I'd never buy movies to play in an interior player.

I have no idea what Warner Brothers was thinking... They had to FAKE picture in a picture for the recent Terminator movie because ALL BR players except the PS3 couldn't do it otherwise, and then they go exclusive with them.

I always thought WB was inferior... I'm not investing a dime into BR... I'll just stick it out with Comcast on-demand or internet HD.

Hey tanod.....

We'll see how long MGS4 stays exclusive to the PS3...

I'm sure that Assasin's Creed and Grand Theft Auto giving up PS3 exclusivity doesn't point to anything. Yeah...and I guess nobody will even care about a 360 exclusive Splinter Cell and Gears of War 2 (among many others) this year....sure.

Uncharted versus Halo3? Uncharted?! Are you SERIOUS?!!! Credibility go bye-bye....

To everyone else...

I bought an HD-DVD player and 10 movies for $200. I'm disappointed in WB's decision, but I still love the player and it still upconverts all my old dvds so it's not a waste to me. I'm glad that I did it and would do it again. I will not buy a Blu-Ray player until I can find a similar deal. If anyone knows of one, please post it! Thanks.

WOW! This site is filled to the brim with xbox fanboys.

You guys are a little butt hurt that you have no games for 2008?

gg. I play all your so called "exclusive games" with superior graphics and controls on my PC.

lolerdongs....sigh
shouldnt you be at school?

Don't you kiddies have a game site or whatever to argue this stuff on?

What's the debate now? PS3 versus X360? (*sigh)

I'm working in the videogame industry, and for all PS3 fanboys, sorry but the PS3 is not a "pure" gaming machine, on a technical view. The X360 is a less powerful machine than the PS3 on the mathematical side and pure power. But, the PS3 biggest problem is the lack of memory (best example is for displayed textures). I won't go in extreme technical details, but the lack of memory for display have a big impact on the framerate and textures quality.

If you want an example, juste compare the same game on the PS3 and X360, and you'll see the difference in textures. It's not a lack of comprehension of the architecture, it's simply because we had to drop the quality to accomodate the capabilities of the PS3.

But PS3 is a not a "bad" console. It's a very powerful console, more than the X360. But bad decisions made this machine difficult to work with. The best move, in my opinion, was to include a Blu-Ray player. Sony decided to bet "all in" with this combo and it seems to pay off now.

Loberdongs...

"You guys are a little butt hurt that you have no games for 2008?"

Yeah....that's pretty funny. It's really sad that you have to refer to sodomy innuendo. Evolve...

"gg. I play all your so called "exclusive games" with superior graphics and controls on my PC. "

So you're not a "little butt hurt" from sitting at a computer desk rather than a couch? Whatever....

Getting back to MOVIES....

I'm still waiting for somebody to post a great blu-ray deal around $200-$250(if they'll even exist anymore). Sure the format war is probably over, but the consumer really is the one who'll lose out. The war drove down hardware prices and led to many BOGO sales. Once Blu wins.... why would they cut prices or initiate BOGOs?

Yes! Here come the hoards of xbots from the Micro$hit Defense Force.



"We're telling our fans that if you want to play 'Metal Gear Solid 4', you have to buy a PS3," he said. "The PlayStation brand has always been good to us, and we're pretty bullish on the PS3."

Also, please keep your generic 640p FPS (Halo) and mass_effect.ppt - the slideshow - 360 ftl.

And @ texturefag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD0ZPwpPGgg
vs
http://www.gamersreports.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=11308


What?

[Post edited by lolerdongs on Jan 5, 2008]

Santa brought my daughter a Wii, and it blows them both away. Now if Nintendo can think of a way to add a HD DVD/Blu Ray player....... what am I doing don't even go there Kev!!!! LOL

THX AMIT PAUL fort the ARTICLE --X360 vs PS3
*************************************************************************


INTRODUCTION

This is an article to refute and dispel the negative comments circulating around based on commments from worst anti-sony man JOHN CARMACK .
CARMACK was bashed back in 2005 when he said "Doom 3 is not possible on ps2". Gaffe proved him wrong by bringing GOD OF WAR --one of the technical and graphical marvel of LAST GEN.

as for doFrad it doesnt even know what it is talking about. Its editor was a former MS employee just like JON HANNIBAL of arsenetica. HANNIBAL was also a former MS employee

**********************************************************

CELL vs XENON vs QUAD CORE

CELL is around 4--5x as powerful as the QUAD CORE processor. Anyone who runs FOLDING HOME project will notice that CELL dissipates 250GFLOPS of energy per sec

However lets get down to the benchmaks
*********************************************************


IN RAW FLOPS crunching CELL is 3x as XENON

http:/* mbers.forbes.com/global/2006/0213/070A.html *

However XENON cant do any of procedural sysnthesis of PROFX

http://www.psu.com/4D-Graphics--A-reality-only-for-PlayStation-3-Feature--a1063-p0.php

Neither can it do TRE,RAYTRACING,RAYCASTING ,Linear matrices at 256k etc



*********************************************



IBM's take on XENON and CELL.


Note:- IBM is the maker of both CELL and XENON

Speed Thrills: Cell Zaps Rivals
Cell
IBM, SONY, TOSHIBA
Transistors
(mil)
234
Performance
(gigaflops)
230
Xbox 360
processor
IBM
Transistors
(mil)
165
Performance
(gigaflops)
77
Pentium 4
Extreme Edition 840
Intel
Transistors
(mil)
250
Performance
(gigaflops)
26

Sources: Microprocessor Report IBM.



IBM themselves are stating that CELL is 3x as powerful as XENON in raw flops crunching. NOTE :- this report was released prior to the release of OCTOPILER ----the default compiler for CELL.

**************************************************

Here are the complete list of Benchmarks for Cell .
NOTE:- all these were released before the advent of OCTOPILER.

BUT according to these benchmarks a CELL is around 20x as powerful as any of the High end DUEL -CORE desktop processors including XEONS and OPTERONS


Cell beats 7800gt by 6:1 .This should give people an idea about why KZ2,LAIR and other ps3 titles look wayy better than anything available on any other platform. Cell's ability to carry out Graphical tasks are also consolidated with this benchmark

http://www.gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2005/11/30/gpus-vs-cell/

****Now MC systems take on Cell

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf

http://www.mc.com/microsites/cell/demo.aspx

http://www.mc.com/uploadedFiles/Cell-WP.pdf

RESULT:- Cell murders PC cores


********************************************************
Now lets see what UC@ Berkeley had to say on CELL

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf

RESULT :- in SP calculation (which is related to gaming ) a Cell is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the most powerful OPTERON available today. The margin shoots to 60x in some perf like TRE and STENCIL

******************************************************


This is IBM's take on CELL.
NOTE :- the becnhmarks were released prior to the release of OCTOPILER

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/

RESULT :- Cell murders competition

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MIT ---world's no 1 university in engineering is claiming that the performace of CELL could be multiplied even by 6x/7x with the release of a bypass multipurpose and multiphase COMPILERS

http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf


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CELL vs QUAD CORE

a CELL processor is roughly 5x as powerful as 2X QUAD CORE setup.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=125691


thanks to BEYOND 3D and PSU

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Unlike normal processors a Cell do do full fledged raytracing at 720p @ 30fps

IN RAYTRACING a CELL is 130 x as FASTER as XENON /any duel core processor available today

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

VIDEO :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-R4bUZIQw

****JALWA of FULL FLEDGED RAYTRACING

a CELL beats 8800 GTX in RAYTRACING by 5:1

http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/?p=187

http://www.power.org/swsummit/download/SW_Summit_PS3_Experience_Joaquin.pdf


http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~benthin/cellrt06.pdf


http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2006/06/19/ray-tracing-receiving-new-focus/


http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-246X.1995.tb06861.x********************************************************

NOW lets head to GPU.

there has been common misconception all around that RSX is weaker than XENOS which is utter BS

Lets take down the benchmarks of the 2

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PS3 can do 51 billion dot products per second

XENOS can do 33 billion dot products per second

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech

NOTE :--although RSX is 7800gtx/7900gtx based ..Its architecture has been tweaked later by NIVIDIA

Proof:-

7800gtx has 24 pixel shaders .
RSX has 28 pixel shaders . 24 of them are active and 4 are partially disabled at the moment


XENOS on the other hand is R420 based.

Here is anandtech's take on XENOS

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7

The unified shader thing is a hoax and unlike the dedicated shaders of RSX xenos' unified pipelines are indeed very weak


RSX has a texel filrate of 13.2 g/s
XENOS has a texel filrate of 8g/s

RSX can do 136 shader ops per second
XENOS can do 96 shader ops per second

RSX has 32 dedicted pixel shaders and 8 vertex shaders
XENOS has 48 unified shaders

RSX has a clock freqency of 550 HZ
XENOS has a clock frequency of 500MHZ


RSX is DX 9 compatible but supports all future revisions of OPEN GL
XENOS supports DX 9 C+ and supports OPEN GL till 2.0 ONLY

RSX has a diameter of 258mm^2 and is a 90nm chip
7900gtx has a diamter of 196mm^2 and is also a 90nm chip
Xenos has a diameter of 160mm^2 for the mother die and 100mm^2 for the daughter die

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=65446

PS3 has a total bandwidth of 22g/s + 28g/s ( video + system)
XENOS has a total bandwidth of 22g/s (unified).the edram bandwidth of 256g/s is irrelevant at resolutions above 720p.

even at lower resolutions it makes up for the lack of 360s total bandwidth . However this theory fails in games which reqires intrinsic data processing eg UT3 and DEAD RISING


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CONCLUSION:_ BY all means a CELL thx to EDGE and iRT is a minimum of 10x as powerful as the XENON. However the margin shoots up in some applications as revealed by the benchmarks.

The CELL excels in anything that requires heavy processing. A QUAD CORE to some extent can do those calculations at a much slower speed . However the XENON cant do any of the HEAVY INTRINSIC PROCESSING as in PROCEDUAL SYNTHESIS of PROFX (see above)

The RSX is also significantly more powerful than XENOS but not as efficient at the moment . BUT things would change just like the way it had after the inclusion of EDGE,iRT and RAPIDMIND SDK for PS3.


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The RAPIDMIND SDK is just a tweaked version of SDK that is normally used with supercomputers.

https://developer.rapidmind.net/hidden/news/2007/rapidmind-and-terra-soft-partner-to-unleash-playstationae-3-for-linux-developers

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FINAL WORDS:- BY all means a CELL is wayy more powerful than not just XENON but anything available in the market today.
RSX is also more powerful than XENOS but we will have to wait a little more to see the JALWA

[Post edited by tanod on Jan 5, 2008]

OMG you need a PHD to understand what that last post was all about! LMAO

GTA 4 ----------lol

thats a multiplat game which will sell perhaps 1 copy in EU and JAPAN

all of FF13,MGS4 and GT5 will be million sellers in each of the territories (EU,NA and JAPAN)

Halo 3 vs UNCHARTED????

comparing a next gen game with garbage TOON TOON GAME halo 3 that plays at 640p at looks like S***

This is UNCHARETD for the TARDS

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=204857&page=266

TELL me is HALO 3 a wii game?

GTA 4 ----------lol

thats a multiplat game which will sell perhaps 1 copy in EU and JAPAN

all of FF13,MGS4 and GT5 will be million sellers in each of the territories (EU,NA and JAPAN)

Halo 3 vs UNCHARTED????

comparing a next gen game with garbage TOON TOON GAME halo 3 that plays at 640p at looks like S***

This is UNCHARETD for the TARDS

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=204857&page=266

TELL me is HALO 3 a wii game?

I am no game geek like you it seems, but the Wii is way more fun than just sitting there on your lump, eatting a can of pringles and a 2 liter bottle of coke while you get thumb cramps playing Halo or any other shooter or role playing game. Just look at the numbers and then tell me if I am wrong?

Get that wiitard crap out of here. Please stop comparing gaming machines to toys.

Wii appeals to kids, grandmas, and soccer moms - also the occasional tard.

As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo quit this gen. This gen is between Sony and Microsoft. PS3 and 360.

Enjoy playing 'waggle waggle' mini-games. And re-hashed Nintendo games where you save the princess AGAIN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrjQ7joYHi0

+

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYBmAVuBns

What?

So my 8 year old is a tard. Even on vacation I still somehow run into a major jackoff everyday of my life.

[Post edited by InvisibleBiker on Jan 5, 2008]

Spoken like a true couch potato, you really need to get some excitement into your life. Repeat after me IT IS A GAMING CONSOLE!!! But you are probably one of those kids who think that Wrestling is real? You know the Surgeon General says that just walking 15 minutes a day can lower your colesterol.

I actually had to register on this site to reply to the absolute crap that tanod has been posting. Seriously, you are either a Sony plant or you have no idea what you are talking about. The PS3 has better games? The PS3 sells more games and hardware? Please. Halo 3 shifted 8 million copies. No PS3 game will ever be near that. Everybody knows and agrees that the 360 has better games and far superior online gaming. You're just lucky the PS3 has BluRay or it would be fuc*ed (which was forced on you by Sony to help the PS3). Also remove that ridiculous amount of junk you have pasted below evry comment - you obviously have no idea what any of it means. ASS.

When did I call your kid a tard?

If you would kindly re-read, that is a list of the wii's demographic. "The occasional tard" refers to wiitards - or Nintendo fanboys.

Also, do you honestly think the Wii gives your exercise?

And @Above, the PS3 has been outselling the 360 for quite some time now based on Worldwide sales. Hell, even the PS2 outsold the 360 last week by about 65k units. Halo 3 obviously shifted tons of copies based on hype. But guess where the majority of those sales are? The US. Btw, Halo/Halo2 lifetime sales are nothing compared to PS2 games last gen. Halo 3 seems to have dropped off the charts and doesn't look like it will sell more than 10 million in its lifetime. But do enjoy your Mountain Dew, however.

PS3's major games haven't even landed yet, do you honestly think games like MGS4/FF13/LBP/GT5/etc will not sell? These franchises have sold AROUND THE WORLD. They may not sell as fast as Halo 3 (Obv, no crazy hype), but they will sell more constantly. Remember, it's not a sprint.

Worldwide Hardware sales for the month of December 07:

PS3 2,081,432
PSP 2,399,757
PS2 1,958,444
Xbox360 1,894,335

[Post edited by lolerdongs on Jan 5, 2008]

Ok loler my bad, it was purchased for my daughter for Christmas. I am not a big gamer so to me I think it is a riot to play. Wait you called me a tard. LOL No harm no foul have fun with this.

Loler I am in good shape, and I played the Boxing game and seriously it tenses you up quite a bit. Yes I do believe it gives you a small exertion when you play. I am not talking about a full blown workout but it does tighten you up.

Tanod....

Yeah...I'm a "TARD". Apparently all tards have a Master's Degree.

By the way....your precious Uncharted sold only 117,000 copies in it's first moth of release.

http://www.digitalbattle.com/2007/12/15/uncharted-sales-disappoint/

Halo 3 made $170 million on it's first day and has sold close to 10 million copies.

To quote Blu-ray fans, " Cleary consumers have spoken"....now piss off.

Still waiting for someone to post a killer Blu-ray deal....

@evilhoban

Uncharted total sales to date is: 800k

Also, don't compare Uncharted (A new IP, underhyped, etc) to an overhyped generic FPS squeal that looks like crap.

Halo is a horrible game. Obviously, you have never been a PC gamer to understand how mediocre Halo really is. Seriously, "Master Chief" - dudes fighting aliens in space - ORIGINALITY AT ITS FINEST!

Lolerdongs...

All throughout 2007, PS3 fanboys were saying 'wait for this game, it will be a *insert 360 game here* killer'. Guess what, it never happened. Now you are saying the same for 2008. I can't be arsed with PS fanboys, there is nothing worse. Not just Halo 3 sold boatloads, I think every multiplatform game sold more on the 360 too. PS3 owners were crying out for a decent game, COD4 came along and hardly anyone bought it. Don't use the old '360 has a bigger install base' excuse either, has the PS3 not sold 9 million units?

Unfortunately they didn't have the Mountain Dew offer where I'm from. Wish they did, I love that shit.

Lolerdongs-

Halo is a horrible game in YOUR opinion. That's fine. 10 million of us disagree.

I wasn't the one to compare them in the first place...that would be your buddy tanod.

Uncharted is completely original? SERIOUSLY?! Lets make a game with a private treasure hunter...hmmmm...never saw that one before. I'm surprised they didn't call it "The National Treasure of Indiana Croft".

Like it or not the Halo franchise is a force to be reckoned with. I have had more fun playing those games then many others I've played since I've had a Sega Master System. Personally I think Half-Life 2 is better, but Halo is a blast.

I'm not angry that you disagree. I'm debating the choice to compare it to a game that will hardly be remembered in the history of gaming. Uncharted's sales don't even compare to Gears of War let alone Halo. Again... between the two games the consumer has chosen Halo. 'Nuff said.

Throughout 2007 was the PS3's first year. Did the 360 have ANY killer apps in its first year - 2006? No.
I don't remember saying 2007 would be a great year for the PS3, but it did have some decent games during the summer, HS/Motorstorm/etc, but it did pick up towards the end of the year with Uncharted/Warhawk/UT3/COD4/AC/R&C/NGS/etc.

Now, please wait for proven franchises that have sold millions to come out in 08.

GTA4/DMC4/Burnout - born and raised on the playstation brand.
FF13/FF13versus/MGS4/KZ2/LBP/MS2/GOW3/GT5+prologue/SingStar/Haze/Home/Tekken6/Resistance2/SOC/Yakuza3/etc

Btw, obviously multiplat games will sell more on the 360, considering its higher install base - but if you look at the ratio of sold/install - it's the same. And COD4/AC/PES08 have all sold 1 million+ on PS3. Resistance/Motorstorm have sold 2 million+

If you honestly think the PS3 does not have a great 2008 lineup, you're in denial. But, let me guess - you're from the UK? 360's last stand in Europe. The PS3 hasn't even been out for 1 year in Europe and it is almost caught up to the install base of the 360's 2 year sales in Europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzUgKqrLtw4

Loberdongs-

One could argue that Oblivion was a killer app in the 360's first year. I don't have any stats on it, but everyone I knew who bought a 360 at launch got it and played the crap out of it. It's out for PS3 so you should check it out if you haven't already. It will suck your life away!

Edit:
btw...I know Oblivion didn't come out until a few months after launch, but we got the 360 with that game in mind. It sure as Hell wasn't for Perfect Dark Zero!

[Post edited by evilhoban on Jan 5, 2008]

I understand the millions of fanboys that have bought X360 or PS3, Blu-Ray or HD DVD defending what they have bought. Everybody think that what he bought was better than the other and want to believe they're spending cash on something that's worth it.

Anyway, the power of a console does'nt make games more fun (PS3 or XBOX360 or whatever the console is).

Some peoples have fun on X360.
Some peoples have fun on PS3.
Some peoples have fun with Wii.

And some others enjoy NES emulators, board games and doing sports outdoor.
This will always be the same story on boards... "my father doing better pizza than your"...

Quote:
New Line drops HD DVD as well

All this talk about which game system is superior.......What does it have to do with New Line dropping HD?

um...jack squat?


Leave it to Sony fanboys to derail any argument with their nonsense. Its why I never ever post in any gaming forum.

Hey Lolerdongs....

Read it and weep....

Metal Gear Solid 4: Xbox 360 Version Will Have Exclusive Content, Wii Version On The Cards

Now that Metal Gear Solid 4 has been confirmed (posted a few days ago) for the Xbox 360, a Konami representative has stated that the 360 version will also feature exclusive content and gameplay not offered in the PS3 edition. Not much else was revealed apart from the fact that with the addition of online capability, MGS4 is a leading product and will signal the dawn of a new gaming era for the MGS series. Maybe even bigger news than Xbox 360 exclusive content, is that with the phenomenal success of the Wii, a scaled down version of the game is rumoured to be in the pipeline.

quote:

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Formely announced as a PlayStation 3 exclusive, Konami's Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will now also be released on Xbox 360, with a cut-down Nintendo Wii version also a possibility, according to online reports
The new game in the multi-million selling franchise will feature objective-based missions, while the Xbox 360 version will also include exclusive content and gameplay not offered in the PS3 edition.
Industry insiders claim publisher Konami is also in talks with Nintendo to bring a cut-down MGS game to the Wii.

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evilhoban said -

Quote:
"Still waiting for someone to post a killer Blu-ray deal...."

Hello. Well, as of right now, the only Blu-ray stand-alone deal I've seen is the current (cheaper) of the two Sony Blu-ray players. While Best Buy has it for $399, you can get it today for $299 at a nearby Fry's Electronics (mainly located in California and Texas), or their online store.

Unfortunately, it's not getting the best reviews, from several sites I've checked, and it's standard DVD upconversion quality is just "average" and not as good as either the Toshiba HD-DVD players, or the Oppo standard DVD players. Blu-ray quality is excellent, but some have posted various complaints about long-load times (etc), similar to the first generation models.

I'd wait to see what 2008 models are released soon, with new models and details coming this week at the annual CES show in Las Vegas. The newer 2008 Blu-ray units will be Profile 1.1 compliant (for compatibility of interactive content on Blu-ray discs), hopefully a little cheaper than current models, and should appear on store shelves within 6 to 8 weeks.

Or you can buy a PS3 (two models at two prices), which I'm sure you know about anyway. Here's hoping that OPPO will put out a top-quality Blu-ray player this year, at the value-prices they are well known for.

-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)
~ DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray/KURO Plasma owner ~

Metal Gear 4 is PS3 exclusive.

TheGameReviews.com had the opportunity to speak with Konami’s PR about this latest rumor, and unsurprisingly, Konami is baffled by claims that Metal Gear Solid 4 is going multiplatform. In a rush to get the word out, it seems that those who broke the story talked to everyone except Konami, who made this statement "For the record, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a PlayStation 3 exclusive and there are no plans to develop an Xbox 360 version of the game."
http://ps3.thegamereviews.com/story-342-Rumor-Killer-No-MGS4-on-360-says-Konami.html

The reason for the GTA 4 delay, lack of hard drive support and compression that is needed to fit a Blu Ray game on a DVD. The Down loadable content will not be that big.

Also the PS3 has an advantage with networking and file transfers...
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=31819

The only advantage the 360 had was that it came out first.

Lol. There HAS been ZERO news besides 360 fanboy sites saying MGS4 would be coming to 360. Konami and Kojima said a MILLION times, it's a playstation 3 exclusive. Accept it.

MGS4:
"We're telling our fans that if you want to play 'Metal Gear Solid 4', you have to buy a PS3," he said. "The PlayStation brand has always been good to us, and we're pretty bullish on the PS3."

FF13/FF13vs.:
Noruma: Our programmers were asking, "is it okay if we program it as a PS3 exclusive? If you're thinking of porting it to other consoles, we might have to change the specs to follow suit the others." And I answered, "PS3 exclusive, of course."

Also on GTA4 delay:
"On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?" To which he replied, "Yep."

PS3 exclusives = Meh....

Gears of War was just an appetizer.
Halo 3 was a very good game, not great, but certainly better than whatever crap is on PS3.
What is KZ2?? Is that that Banjo Kazooie game?
Mass Effect and Bioshock were awesome. I'm also glad I can use my GH2 guitar on Rock Band.

You can post all of the tech specs you like, the Wii's processor probably has as much computing power
as a hunk of cheese with 2 paperclips stuck in it and it even has better games than PS3. It's crushing the PS3 and scrapping pretty hard with the Xbox.

Seriously though you PS3 owners. I hope you do get some awesome games soon. I hope Sony doesn't keep treating PS3 like it has the PSP. I did hear UT3 was pretty good.