Re: HD DVD camp issues press release

Perhaps we HD-DVD fans can be equated to the 300. In the end, we'll go down, but damned if we don't make people remember us.

None of these press releases say whether they count the PS3 as a set-top model. Its very unclear.

Toshiba said it themselves and showed it with a chart:

So as this shows the "standalone" argument is trumped. Factor in then the PS3 effect and it makes logical sense why Warner Bros. went Blu-ray exclusive.

funstuff, your shows "# 1 Toshiba 49.3%" at the very bottom. How does bluray outsell it?

depends on who is doing the reporting. they really should be counted. just as XBox HD add ons, and computer drivers as well should be counted. Stand alone players is a very deceptive number.

This is extremely embarrassing for HDDVD, but it isnt over yet. A lot of people seem to be claiming victory for blu-ray already, but I dont think thats true. Microsoft and Toshiba won't stand by and let HDDVD go quietly into the night. Something big will happen between now and May and I imagine it will involve a movie studio or company(computer manufacturer perhaps) going HDDVD exclusive.

Oh and I noticed people were saying that Universal would go bluray soon or neutral, but that isnt gonna happen. Universal has a real stick up its ass about blu-ray and no one seems to know why, but they wont support bluray unless it's their only choice.

All fanboyism aside, I think anyone with half a brain could see that HDDVD was hurt by this. Really hurt, but they will recover. HDDVDs biggest problems right now are...

1. Studio support. They need someone to fill the hole that warner left by May.
2. Toshiba is really the only big manufacturer of HDDVD players. Venturer is great for HDDVD in the long run as a Chinese manufacturer is key for worldwide distribution, but venturer is no Samsung or Sony.
3. They just need more support in general. The DVD forum basically had Toshiba do everything. Now Toshiba is a large company and a successful one at that, but they can't carry the weight of HDDVD all by themselves.

I gotta say I have enormous respect for Toshiba. Even through all this theyre still doing well. If they just had one more company to exclusively manufacturer HDDVD players it wouldnt be so hard on them..

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[Post edited by NutManIV on Jan 7, 2008]

From my understanding standalones does not include XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on, PS3 or any PC drives.

I don't see why people think Microsoft will come to HD DVD's rescue. Why cause they made add-ons for the XBOX 360 and HD DVD uses HDi? Why would Microsoft blow money to invest in HD DVD? What would be their return on investment?

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[Post edited by Falcon01 on Jan 7, 2008]

that link dont say jack. anyhow.. Toshiba should do somethign and do it quick! or not just put it to rest. i mean forgetting the benefits of HDDVD.. Warner put it this way. we make some moeny, and most likely end the war.

i dont think is in MS best interest to cut checks, and thats tryign to believe they did it to paramount. Toshiba could do it aswell.. not just ms. Plus seems Sony/ Disney and Fox have a very strong relationship besides whatever insentives. Those guys are all having drinks right now.

"I don't see why people think Microsoft will come to HD DVD's rescue. Why cause they made add-ons for the XBOX 360 and HD DVD uses HDi? Why would Microsoft blow money to invest in HD DVD? What would be their return on investment?"

It is in microsofts best interest for HDDVD to succeed. HDi would be the main reason. HDi is really the reason that there's a format war in the first place. BDA didn't want to use HDi and instead chose a Java platform for interactivity. If I remember correctly it was HP and of course Microsoft that objected to this which caused the breakdown of negotiations and a failure to create one format.

The return on their investment would be enormous simply because the format uses HDi. Simple as that.