Blu-ray camp predicts 10 million players same time next year

Lol at first I was like "Wtf thats not possible" and then I saw they were including the PS3.

Yeah that will probably happen. Or at least it will be close.

I think they are still going to be wrong. Frankly they are counting on all these people who been waiting out the war to rush in and buy. I was waiting for a long long time. Problem is the players are still way too high. I am sure sales will increase but I think they are thinking too high. I could be wrong though.

Save this article so when they don't meet the benchmark you can always run it in later.

Considering that Warner Bros. has gone Blu-ray exclusive and Paramount and/or Universal will be doing the same shortly this estimate seems reasonable.

Bibly,

where do you come up with this stuff... Fantasy Island?

Paramount has said time and time agin in the last 24 hours...

WE ARE SUPPORTING HD-DVD FOR NOW!

They have made no mention or plans to jump into Blu-Ray, and Universal is staying in the HD camp for now.

I understand you are a BR fanboy, but at least when making a comment, make sure you are stating fact! not rumors from a bad huffing flashback.

If they are including the PS3.. that's still a pretty aggressive claim. They'd have to sell twice as many as they did last year... It's possible though if sales pick up, although a lot of the numbers it accumulated from it's first year of sales were from the launch fever of fanboys everywhere. It's possible as the 360 has already bested 10 million in the states.

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[Post edited by Cellien on Jan 9, 2008]

RUMORS RUMORS RUMORS!!!!!

It was just a few weeks ago blu ray "fan boys or girls" were saying Warner Bros would be switching sides to Blu, and of course HD DVD fan boys blew up, and thought it was complete malarkey. Even Warner’s denied the switch and rumors they would be leaving HD DVD however, the switch did happen. Now with all the rumors about Paramount and even Universal, those companies are keeping quiet on their future releases and being rumored of a switch to blu ray. My opinion, Rumor or not, if there is speculation already on these two companies jumping ship, and moving elsewhere like Warner’s did, I think it has a higher chance of happening, no matter what some media relations person said about sticking with, or still supporting HD DVD. Again, that’s my opinion.

Universal rumors
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Universal/CES_2008/CES:_All_Quiet_on_the_Universal_Front/1352

Saying what you THINK will happen is ok, but some people speak like they know... thats where alot of people see the problem.

Would blu-Ray still be successful if Playstation 3 had NO Blu-Ray player????


How many Blu-Ray stand-alone players have been sold so far??


Universal and Paramount are staying with HD-DVD I hope.

If the PS3 didnt have blu ray it would be almost no contest. HD DVD would be victorious. HD DVD players are outselling blu ray and are being adopted at a slightly above average rate for new CE products. The advantage blu ray has is that PS3 owners will already have a blu ray player and have shown that they will purchase movies because they,in a way, got a free blu ray player. With the PS3 blu ray was able to get into the homes of people who otherwise wouldn't be buying HD movies. If the PS3 didnt have bluray I would imagine that HD DVD titles would be outselling blu ray and we would see Blu-ray in the same position HD DVD is in right now.

The fact remains that everyone is jumping from the sinking HD DVD ship. Everyday another studio is going Blu-ray exclusive.

Paramount is going to go Blu-ray just like Warner Bros. did. So will Universal starting February as their contract ends last day of January.

You can keep trying to deny the reality of the situation all you want, but the dominoes are all already falling.

Do they plan this with or without players that are less than the cheapes $300 model?? I'm not spending more than $200 at the most, if , I buy a blu-ray player.

or the hd dvd campers have something up there sleeves and dont want to give the game away, just coz no ones saying anything doesnt mean its game over

Neither will win.

People will adopt a lower tech solution that meets their needs/expectations if it's cheaper, easier to access/use, provides equal or better enjoyment. This is not the beta vs. vhs war. This is more like the PS3 vs. Xbox war and the Wii is winning.

HD DVD and BD are competing against cable, satellite, PPP, gaming consoles, SD DVD, and the internet not just for $$ but also for time. People only have some much time to sit in front of a "box".

How about instead of dual format player, they made dual format discs (of both movie versions are stored on the same disc)? This is a win-win situation for everyone.

I know someone is going to give me a long technical explanation on why it can't be done. I say BS.

Focuz said -

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"How about instead of dual format player, they made dual format discs (of both movie versions are stored on the same disc)? This is a win-win situation for everyone. I know someone is going to give me a long technical explanation on why it can't be done. I say BS.

No, it's not that it "can't" be done, but that it WON'T be done. Warner owns the patents to the dual-format disc (called TotalHD), and announced last year that they would shelve the technology, and not release in TotalHD. I think Warner realized that no other major studio would support TotalHD, and it would be yet another disc for retailers to stock, besides DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and UMD (for PSP).

-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)
~ DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray/KURO Plasma owner ~

#1) a point ur all missing here is that there is a new American CEO of Sony. Since the decision to delay the PS3 to put in blu ray (by all accounts a BAAAD decision) was the ousted CEO's call, the new CEO is free to keep dumping money into winning the format war with the excuse that the war has to be won in order to show something for all the effort put in thus far.

I'm not saying that means the BR will eventually win neccesarily. Just that I think Sony is willing to lose more money and wait it out longer than I imagine Toshiba will.

#2) People are buying HDTVs everyday and the only reason they are not opting to buy a Hi_Def disc player is the format war. People don't want to effing download movies. They want to buy and/or rent them and they do want something that will accentuate their TV purchase. But not until the war is over.

#3) Everyone here buys tons of DVDs. That's an impetus for you all to say that "no one will want to replace their library with Hi Def discs" in the mistaken impression that most of the "normal" world buys or rips as many discs as you do. Wrong. Most people have rent primarily. So the size of their libraries is not an impediment to upgrading. The EXACT same argument was made against the rise of the DVD over VHS, and again, mostly by guys with tons of VHS movies not understanding that most people didn't have that many.

#4) Given all of that, 10 million is just nuts.

Love Hendrix! said:

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and it would be yet another disc for retailers to stock, besides DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and UMD (for PSP).

-Love Hendrix!

... a dual disc that would replace the individual formats would mean studios, stores, rental outlets would only make and stock one disc. Think about the production and distribution cost savings and opportunity for studios to release on both formats without adding new inventory. And consumers with either players can play them. If the discs were made to hold both formats, then each format would add value-added features to get you to go with their players. This already exist but there's a lot less risk to the consumer. It would make it a lot easier for manufactures to convert consumers to their format if it means just changing the player.

Sounds like it won't happen because of corporate GREED.

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[Post edited by Focuz on Jan 9, 2008]

comicgeekoid said:

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#2) People are buying HDTVs everyday and the only reason they are not opting to buy a Hi_Def disc player is the format war. People don't want to effing download movies. They want to buy and/or rent them and they do want something that will accentuate their TV purchase. But not until the war is over.

When you make a new technology and then try to find a use/benefit for the Average Joe, the technology will likely fail (unless they are force to adopt it).

People are buying HDTVs everyday because they feel forced to by the government, broadcasters, manufactures due to impending broadcast changes. People are buying new TV for the larger screen size, better picture even at SD, and smaller physical size. People can buy DLP and get HD but they don't because they won't get the space savings and ability to hang it on the wall.

To the Average Joe/ 99.9% of the population who don't care about this "war", what are the benefits of true HD over upconverted SD DVD to justify the very significant cost? 1080i looks pretty good already and who needs to see 40 Year Old Virgin on HD?

I have a new 46" Sony Bravia with 1080p with a Sony Home Theatre DVD player and a Toshiba HD DVD player. I'm really questioning the need to keep the HD DVD player or buying a BD player.

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[Post edited by Focuz on Jan 9, 2008]

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The fact remains that everyone is jumping from the sinking HD DVD ship. Everyday another studio is going Blu-ray exclusive.

Paramount is going to go Blu-ray just like Warner Bros. did. So will Universal starting February as their contract ends last day of January.

You can keep trying to deny the reality of the situation all you want, but the dominoes are all already falling.

Are you a bot? You don't seem to ever post anything except "HD DVD IS DEAD I LOVE BLU RAY".

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To the Average Joe/ 99.9% of the population who don't care about this "war", what are the benefits of true HD over upconverted SD DVD to justify the very significant cost? 1080i looks pretty good already and who needs to see 40 Year Old Virgin on HD?

Average Joe don't care about HD. Average Joe CAN'T AFFORD HDTV OR HD PLAYER. Average Joe struggling to make payments on rent, mortgage, and gasoline. Average Joe will get the inexpensive adapter by 2009, to let his family keep their analog TV's... AND STILL watch DIGITAL-ONLY channels.

Of course the Average Joe are not us: Geekwares, hardware afficionados, or gadget fanboys.

Focuz said -

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"Sounds like it won't happen because of corporate GREED."

Well, for whatever reasons, Warner changed earlier announced plans to release THEIR content in TotalHD. Again, I really believe it was because they did not receive commitments from other studios to also release in TotalHD, so if Warner/New Line was the only one supporting it, they probably felt it was NOT WORTH THE EXPENSE of releasing TotalHD discs... that would end up being yet another disc that retailers would have to stock and sell.

-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)
~ DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray/KURO Plasma owner ~

Xplay, pardon my italian but BULLPLOP.

I don't care if you live in a Manhattan penthouse or a Kentucky outhouse, there are certain luxury items that everyone has and two of them are a tv and a player to play movies on em.

Again the argument that people can't afford or don't care about having the best available movie player is the same argument people made for VHS. Most guys SAID they didn't want DVD until they saw it at the store or their friend's house.

Then they had to have it, period.

I see tons of Joe Shmoes at best buy salivating over the stuff. And when their TV fails, which ultimately it must, they will buy an HDTV. Have you compared prices for HDTVs and their Tube counterparts? People ARE deciding that for a few hundred bucks more, they'd rather have their HDTV

And guess what, these "average shmoes" all have cable! Try having a pre-teen without cable in the house. It don't happen. And then they see HDTV on cable. You think they're going to go "oh no, DVD is just fine."

And UPCONVERSION? DOUBLE FEH! Who the eff is going to be dumb enough to spend 100 bucks on upconversion when eventually they can spend 200 on a better player? And the prices will come down, we're only at the beginning of this.

I've seen it all, jerk asses. People saying VHS won't take off because people don't care about having a cinema experience at home.

Then people don't care about the higher quality of sound and video DVD offers and besides they won't want to replace their VHS "library."

BULL PLOP on all of you!'

BULLPLOOOOP!

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[Post edited by comicgeekoid on Jan 10, 2008]

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Then people don't care about the higher quality of sound and video DVD offers and besides they won't want to replace their VHS "library."

Eh DVD had a lot more than better audio and picture. There were some bigger selling points for DVD.

1. Discs are smaller than tapes so they take up less room.
2. DVDs, unlike VHS, will not wear out over time. If you take good care of them they can last basically forever.
3. Scene selection, skipping, menus, etc...All features not seen on VHS at all. Also with DVD we started to see the ability to put full seasons of tv shows on DVD. Something that, while not entirely impossible with VHS, would have been too expensive and taken up too much room. Thats why you mostly just saw a few tapes with "best of" episodes.

Just my opinion, but I think the leap from VHS to DVD is bigger than DVD to hi def.

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[Post edited by NutManIV on Jan 10, 2008]

Even with both formats combined consoles included over the past 2 years there is not even 3 million total sold. Maybe they meant 10 million BD sitting on store shelves!

Sorry I just had to say it!

1. No one cared.
2. No one cared.
3. Okay, here'sa good point. But people are quickly seeing that Hi Def discs in either format have MORE features and more imporantly, they are seeing for themselves how good it looks.

You got a little bullplop on your shoulder there.