Re: Blu-ray camp predicts 10 million players same time next year
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
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If the PS3 didnt have blu ray it would be almost no contest. HD DVD would be victorious. HD DVD players are outselling blu ray and are being adopted at a slightly above average rate for new CE products. The advantage blu ray has is that PS3 owners will already have a blu ray player and have shown that they will purchase movies because they,in a way, got a free blu ray player. With the PS3 blu ray was able to get into the homes of people who otherwise wouldn't be buying HD movies. If the PS3 didnt have bluray I would imagine that HD DVD titles would be outselling blu ray and we would see Blu-ray in the same position HD DVD is in right now.
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
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The fact remains that everyone is jumping from the sinking HD DVD ship. Everyday another studio is going Blu-ray exclusive.
Paramount is going to go Blu-ray just like Warner Bros. did. So will Universal starting February as their contract ends last day of January.
You can keep trying to deny the reality of the situation all you want, but the dominoes are all already falling.
Paramount is going to go Blu-ray just like Warner Bros. did. So will Universal starting February as their contract ends last day of January.
You can keep trying to deny the reality of the situation all you want, but the dominoes are all already falling.
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
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Do they plan this with or without players that are less than the cheapes $300 model?? I'm not spending more than $200 at the most, if , I buy a blu-ray player.
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
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or the hd dvd campers have something up there sleeves and dont want to give the game away, just coz no ones saying anything doesnt mean its game over
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
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Neither will win.
People will adopt a lower tech solution that meets their needs/expectations if it's cheaper, easier to access/use, provides equal or better enjoyment. This is not the beta vs. vhs war. This is more like the PS3 vs. Xbox war and the Wii is winning.
HD DVD and BD are competing against cable, satellite, PPP, gaming consoles, SD DVD, and the internet not just for $$ but also for time. People only have some much time to sit in front of a "box".
How about instead of dual format player, they made dual format discs (of both movie versions are stored on the same disc)? This is a win-win situation for everyone.
I know someone is going to give me a long technical explanation on why it can't be done. I say BS.
People will adopt a lower tech solution that meets their needs/expectations if it's cheaper, easier to access/use, provides equal or better enjoyment. This is not the beta vs. vhs war. This is more like the PS3 vs. Xbox war and the Wii is winning.
HD DVD and BD are competing against cable, satellite, PPP, gaming consoles, SD DVD, and the internet not just for $$ but also for time. People only have some much time to sit in front of a "box".
How about instead of dual format player, they made dual format discs (of both movie versions are stored on the same disc)? This is a win-win situation for everyone.
I know someone is going to give me a long technical explanation on why it can't be done. I say BS.
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
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Focuz said -
No, it's not that it "can't" be done, but that it WON'T be done. Warner owns the patents to the dual-format disc (called TotalHD), and announced last year that they would shelve the technology, and not release in TotalHD. I think Warner realized that no other major studio would support TotalHD, and it would be yet another disc for retailers to stock, besides DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and UMD (for PSP).
-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)
~ DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray/KURO Plasma owner ~
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"How about instead of dual format player, they made dual format discs (of both movie versions are stored on the same disc)? This is a win-win situation for everyone. I know someone is going to give me a long technical explanation on why it can't be done. I say BS.
No, it's not that it "can't" be done, but that it WON'T be done. Warner owns the patents to the dual-format disc (called TotalHD), and announced last year that they would shelve the technology, and not release in TotalHD. I think Warner realized that no other major studio would support TotalHD, and it would be yet another disc for retailers to stock, besides DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and UMD (for PSP).
-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)
~ DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray/KURO Plasma owner ~
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
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#1) a point ur all missing here is that there is a new American CEO of Sony. Since the decision to delay the PS3 to put in blu ray (by all accounts a BAAAD decision) was the ousted CEO's call, the new CEO is free to keep dumping money into winning the format war with the excuse that the war has to be won in order to show something for all the effort put in thus far.
I'm not saying that means the BR will eventually win neccesarily. Just that I think Sony is willing to lose more money and wait it out longer than I imagine Toshiba will.
#2) People are buying HDTVs everyday and the only reason they are not opting to buy a Hi_Def disc player is the format war. People don't want to effing download movies. They want to buy and/or rent them and they do want something that will accentuate their TV purchase. But not until the war is over.
#3) Everyone here buys tons of DVDs. That's an impetus for you all to say that "no one will want to replace their library with Hi Def discs" in the mistaken impression that most of the "normal" world buys or rips as many discs as you do. Wrong. Most people have rent primarily. So the size of their libraries is not an impediment to upgrading. The EXACT same argument was made against the rise of the DVD over VHS, and again, mostly by guys with tons of VHS movies not understanding that most people didn't have that many.
#4) Given all of that, 10 million is just nuts.
I'm not saying that means the BR will eventually win neccesarily. Just that I think Sony is willing to lose more money and wait it out longer than I imagine Toshiba will.
#2) People are buying HDTVs everyday and the only reason they are not opting to buy a Hi_Def disc player is the format war. People don't want to effing download movies. They want to buy and/or rent them and they do want something that will accentuate their TV purchase. But not until the war is over.
#3) Everyone here buys tons of DVDs. That's an impetus for you all to say that "no one will want to replace their library with Hi Def discs" in the mistaken impression that most of the "normal" world buys or rips as many discs as you do. Wrong. Most people have rent primarily. So the size of their libraries is not an impediment to upgrading. The EXACT same argument was made against the rise of the DVD over VHS, and again, mostly by guys with tons of VHS movies not understanding that most people didn't have that many.
#4) Given all of that, 10 million is just nuts.
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
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January 2008
Love Hendrix! said:
... a dual disc that would replace the individual formats would mean studios, stores, rental outlets would only make and stock one disc. Think about the production and distribution cost savings and opportunity for studios to release on both formats without adding new inventory. And consumers with either players can play them. If the discs were made to hold both formats, then each format would add value-added features to get you to go with their players. This already exist but there's a lot less risk to the consumer. It would make it a lot easier for manufactures to convert consumers to their format if it means just changing the player.
Sounds like it won't happen because of corporate GREED.
[Post edited by Focuz on Jan 9, 2008]
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and it would be yet another disc for retailers to stock, besides DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and UMD (for PSP).
-Love Hendrix!
... a dual disc that would replace the individual formats would mean studios, stores, rental outlets would only make and stock one disc. Think about the production and distribution cost savings and opportunity for studios to release on both formats without adding new inventory. And consumers with either players can play them. If the discs were made to hold both formats, then each format would add value-added features to get you to go with their players. This already exist but there's a lot less risk to the consumer. It would make it a lot easier for manufactures to convert consumers to their format if it means just changing the player.
Sounds like it won't happen because of corporate GREED.
[Post edited by Focuz on Jan 9, 2008]
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
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January 2008
comicgeekoid said:
When you make a new technology and then try to find a use/benefit for the Average Joe, the technology will likely fail (unless they are force to adopt it).
People are buying HDTVs everyday because they feel forced to by the government, broadcasters, manufactures due to impending broadcast changes. People are buying new TV for the larger screen size, better picture even at SD, and smaller physical size. People can buy DLP and get HD but they don't because they won't get the space savings and ability to hang it on the wall.
To the Average Joe/ 99.9% of the population who don't care about this "war", what are the benefits of true HD over upconverted SD DVD to justify the very significant cost? 1080i looks pretty good already and who needs to see 40 Year Old Virgin on HD?
I have a new 46" Sony Bravia with 1080p with a Sony Home Theatre DVD player and a Toshiba HD DVD player. I'm really questioning the need to keep the HD DVD player or buying a BD player.
[Post edited by Focuz on Jan 9, 2008]
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#2) People are buying HDTVs everyday and the only reason they are not opting to buy a Hi_Def disc player is the format war. People don't want to effing download movies. They want to buy and/or rent them and they do want something that will accentuate their TV purchase. But not until the war is over.
When you make a new technology and then try to find a use/benefit for the Average Joe, the technology will likely fail (unless they are force to adopt it).
People are buying HDTVs everyday because they feel forced to by the government, broadcasters, manufactures due to impending broadcast changes. People are buying new TV for the larger screen size, better picture even at SD, and smaller physical size. People can buy DLP and get HD but they don't because they won't get the space savings and ability to hang it on the wall.
To the Average Joe/ 99.9% of the population who don't care about this "war", what are the benefits of true HD over upconverted SD DVD to justify the very significant cost? 1080i looks pretty good already and who needs to see 40 Year Old Virgin on HD?
I have a new 46" Sony Bravia with 1080p with a Sony Home Theatre DVD player and a Toshiba HD DVD player. I'm really questioning the need to keep the HD DVD player or buying a BD player.
[Post edited by Focuz on Jan 9, 2008]
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
Member since:
January 2008
January 2008
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The fact remains that everyone is jumping from the sinking HD DVD ship. Everyday another studio is going Blu-ray exclusive.
Paramount is going to go Blu-ray just like Warner Bros. did. So will Universal starting February as their contract ends last day of January.
You can keep trying to deny the reality of the situation all you want, but the dominoes are all already falling.
Are you a bot? You don't seem to ever post anything except "HD DVD IS DEAD I LOVE BLU RAY".
