Playstation 3, A Casualty of war?

Well the PS3 is the number 1 counsel in my house being that my XBOX 360 took a plunge into the red ring of death a few months ago.... tragic shame. Does anyone have the stats of how many 360's died in consumers homes in 2007 versus the death tolls of Playstation 3, 2, and even the Wii that year?

[Post edited by Kris on Jan 18, 2008]

Your XBOX 360 is under warranty. Why not get it fixed?

For games you just can't beat it.

[Post edited by Henning on Jan 18, 2008]

I agree with henning... FREE RROD repairs for 3 years after the purchase date.

Didn't get it fixed because I have had bad luck with repairs/warranty's. Long long frustrating story. Would pick up a new system (mayber the Elite, or the new systems with the HDMI motherboard buit in... Love the black style though) if Gears of War 2 would happen sometime soon. I have heard rumors Gears 2 could be coming out on PS3, and if so... wont bother buying another 360, or at least anytime soon?

[Post edited by Kris on Jan 18, 2008]

Must be an Apple troll trying to put down Microsoft again. They disguise themselves very well - hate anything having to do with Microsoft's success. Probably doesn't even own one.

Hey Leon with the cool 69 attached to your member name. Cool guy. Anyway's, why would I ever put down microsoft? I mean give it up to Bill and his team for creating Vista and the Zune. What a success those have been since they came out. And I can really care less about Apple. I own a 30gb Ipod, and probably spend no more than 20 dollars a month on Itunes. Apple fan boy over here... not really.

[Post edited by Kris on Jan 18, 2008]

UK buyers, great news if you're looking to buy a HD DVD player.
Amazon.co.uk are selling Toshiba HD-EP30 for £149.99...

Hey Kris- Thanks for the cool post. I'm glad to hear from somebody with a good sense of reasoning. My apologies . Like you, I want whatever's a great product no matter who makes it. Peace.

Here are the worldwide console sales figures for December

Nintendo DS - 6,638,408
Nintendo Wii - 3,569,138
Sony PSP - 2,340,850
Sony PS3 - 2,000,575
Xbox 360 - 1,945,393
Sony PS2 - 1,899,588

and here are the worldwide figures for the first 2 weeks of January

Nintendo DS - 1,194,285
Nintendo Wii - 785,919
Sony PSP - 603,655
Sony PS3 - 421,129
Sony PS2 - 346,977
Xbox 360 - 339,928

Things tend to look a bit different when you are in possession of all the facts don't they?

Ugo, where did you get those numbers? Can you give us a link to those numbers?

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Things tend to look a bit different when you are in possession of all the facts don't they?

A few things missing here as well:

1. Total sales since launch.
XBOX 360: 17.7 Million
PS3: Estimated 9 million (Hope to meet 11 million by March) (Many sold in Japan which generally is giving the 360 a hard time because it is from the US)

2. Game Sales.
PS3 has no really great games going for it and in the end that is what will matter. In the top 10 (all platforms) of December XBOX 360 had 4 titles (Including the no. 1 spot). The PS3 had 0. In 2007 (whole year) top 10 XBOX 360 had 3 titles in top 10 (Including the no. 1 spot.) The PS3 had 0.

Source

[Post edited by Henning on Jan 18, 2008]

Everything that I have read, indicated that the Sony Gaming systems have not passed the XBOX? Maybe I can see in the month of december the PS3 console coming close, but not dominating it?

They the sony fan boys talk about HD DVD not having software so therefore loosing. Now how about sony not having any games . Are they loosing? is this too much of a loss?

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I have heard rumors Gears 2 could be coming out on PS3

Hey Kris, correct me if I am wrong. Gears of War was developed by Epic Games and Microsoft Game Studios. Why would Microsoft let such highly valued game franchise go to Sony?

Edit: don't know how to use the quote code

[Post edited by Gunner on Jan 18, 2008]

I dunno why we even bother caring what Japan does. They will NEVER buy a US-manufactured console. Unlike us, the are loyal to their country's brands far before foreign ones. No matter how badly PS3 flops here (and I think it'll perform better in the coming months) it'll succeed there enough to survive this console generation.

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They the sony fan boys talk about HD DVD not having software so therefore loosing. Now how about sony not having any games . Are they loosing? is this too much of a loss?

I have both systems,

theres a few other things of the ps3 i dont like, even thou theres a few i do. besides games

I guess this must be the very early early stage of the ps3 with sony. The ps3 for now is a BLU-RAY player and a tiny bit game system.

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I have heard rumors Gears 2 could be coming out on PS3, and if so... wont bother buying another 360, or at least anytime soon?

You have a website link to this rumor...?

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Things tend to look a bit different when you are in possession of all the facts don't they?

Thats not even really a glowing endorsement for the PS3. The Xbox 360 only recently broke 500,000 in Japan. Its doing terrible in Japan and in most parts of Europe excluding the UK, and yet the PS3 only outsold it worldwide by , what was it? Less than 100,000? I forgot the numbers before I posted but it was very close.

Also to the guy who hasnt gotten his 360 repaired, why? You say you have had a "bad experience with repairs/warranties" but that doesnt even make sense. You have a FREE 3 year warranty that started in April 2007. That means you can get it repaired or replaced for free. There is absolutely no reason not to do it. You don't even have to pay for shipping. So no offense, but I don't believe that you have owned a 360 because what you're saying just does not add up.

I'm conflicted, I'm a HD DVD supporter but don't like Microsoft ...

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I dunno why we even bother caring what Japan does. They will NEVER buy a US-manufactured console.

Is there such a thing as a US-manufactured console?

To the question whether PS3 suffered because of Sony's decision to use it as a platform to push BR, the answer is DUUUUUH.

The previous CEO of Sony left over exactly that. SONY said it, there's not much left to interpret. The question was whether the new CEO would abandon trying to push BR in lieu of saving the PS3 (and protecting Sony's #1 product) or use it as carte blanche to push BR, and I think the answer at this point is clear.

the ps3 is this generations gamecube they have had the same sales numbers after one year of release. Game developers dont tend to spend alot of money develping games for a system in last place. The xbox 360 has the best games but nintendos wii is a beast,especailly if you think about the games they have coming out in the next couple of months! Mario Kart! Smash Bros! and a little soccer mom trojan horse i call WII FIT the wii will be at 30 million units in 5-6 months if that, the xbox 360 will be well over 20 million and the ps3 will be around 12 million. and the big ps3 game of the the year MGS4 gets delayed every other week, its now at a june release, no way that game gets released in june, you can look forwared to a sept release at the earlist.

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A few things missing here as well:

1. Total sales since launch.
XBOX 360: 17.7 Million
PS3: Estimated 9 million (Hope to meet 11 million by March) (Many sold in Japan which generally is giving the 360 a hard time because it is from the US)

Henning, I think you forgot to add one other missing thing - the XBox has been out for twice as long as the PS3, and that the PS3 has been out less than a year outside of America and Japan. As far as it's first year adoption curve, the PS3 is doing about the same as the XBox or perhaps a bit better in worldwide sales.

What I can't understand is how the capability to play Blu-ray disks would affect the adoption of the console as a game machine? It seems to me that the people who buy the PS3 as a dedicated Blu-ray player only may be convinced one day to actually try a console game for the first time someday - thereby opening up a market segment not tapped before.

I just don't see the connection between a movie format and game console sales. Your article doesn't explain this and seems to intentionally leave a lot of relevant information out.

Hi Kris,

I also had the famous red ring of death on my xbox. I also was thinking about getting it repaired but opted for the Playstation...for several reasons this year.

1) I needed blueray player ( originally had the hd-dvd add on for the xbox )
2) the game line up for 2008 looks alot better then last year and there are a few games i'm looking forward to play for ps3
3) this year...some time this year.. i hope.. they plan to implement a new firmware for XML that allows you to listen to music and chat online while ingame. At least that what they promised at the CES show.

some games i'm gonna missout like Ninja gaiden 2 on the xbox the but for me there where more games i wanted to play on the ps3 this year that will not be on the xbox. Plus now i can finally make comments on both HD-DVD and Blue-Ray.

I don't have exact Numbers on the xbox 360 vs the ps3 failure rate
but they both are around the 2% range ...about the same.

1) xbox has a bad conduit that dies after awhile due to heat on the first generation consoles of xbox 360

but to be fair

2) ps3 has an equal amount or repairs due to a bad read errors. ( will not read any discs ect.. ).

hope this helps.

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I'm conflicted, I'm a HD DVD supporter but don't like Microsoft

That could be what I would've sounded like if HDDVD launched at the same time as the original XBox. But I've got to give kudos to MS for doing so much with the original Xbox. It ended up being plagued with 1st person shooters, but the hardware did really well and MS wooed in a lot studio support. At this point the Windows/Mac issues are a thing of the past as I like both platforms for different reasons.

Now I'm bitter with Sony. They wanted their own format and are using it as an advantage to push it through the combination of the PS3 and their own movies. I didn't want to purchase a PS3 anytime soon - the 360 has a lot more games to choose from. Sony pushes BR and pulls PS2 compatibility and now I will wait for the PS3 to drop to at least $250 before I buy one.

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I dunno why we even bother caring what Japan does. They will NEVER buy a US-manufactured console.

They are buying it though. It is a slow process, but Japan is starting to embrace the xbox brand. The xbox 360 is not doing nearly as well as the wii or PS3, but it has already surpassed the lifetime sales of the original xbox and weekly sales are close to 10,000 units. Once again that isnt as good as the PS3 or Wii, but I remember seeing weekly sales where the original xbox barely broke 1,000.

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A few things missing here as well:

1. Total sales since launch.
XBOX 360: 17.7 Million
PS3: Estimated 9 million (Hope to meet 11 million by March) (Many sold in Japan which generally is giving the 360 a hard time because it is from the US)

2. Game Sales.
PS3 has no really great games going for it and in the end that is what will matter. In the top 10 (all platforms) of December XBOX 360 had 4 titles (Including the no. 1 spot). The PS3 had 0. In 2007 (whole year) top 10 XBOX 360 had 3 titles in top 10 (Including the no. 1 spot.) The PS3 had 0.

Also Henning don't forget overall quantity of games sold. Presently the 360 has at least 10 titles that have sold 1 million games or more. Many of those sales occurred during the last holiday but some happened before that time. Just to name a few:
1. Lost Planet
2. Gears of War (And there is no way M$ is going to allow Gears 2 on the ps3. Sorry Sony fans)
3. Halo (8 million copies sold worldwide and counting)
4. Dead Rising (yes it did sell 1 million copies believe it or not)
5. Mass Effect
6. Guitar Hero 2
7. Guitar Hero 3
8. Call of Duty 4
9. Bioshock
10. Madden 08

You can check the numbers yourself online with npd. I realize some of these games are also on the ps3 but the 360 versions have sold far more copies than the ps3 ones. Guess how many ps3 games have reached the million sold club? One game so far. Resistance Fall of Man and it took a full year just to reach that number. All of their other high profile games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Uncharted have barely reached more than 200,000 to 300,000 sold individually. There may be a few titles that have reached 500,000 by now due to the holiday spike in ps3 sales but you can see the trend. Ps3 games are not selling so how will Sony regain money lost on each console? Normally hardware is sold at a loss to regain profit in software sales. But if no one is buying the games what do you do? Even more worrisome for Sony is the fact that 3rd party companies are less likely going to want to release their products on the ps3 since development time and costs are higher than the competition and the return will not cover the costs of labor and marketing. Uncharted reportedly costs more than 20 million to make but so far its sales are barely over 150,000. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Sony probably did win the next-gen format war with the ps3 but it may just have cost them the next-gen gaming war. And yes it is looking more like this generation's gamecube every day. I can hear the dreamcast laughing from the grave somewhere....

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Sony probably did win the next-gen format war with the ps3 but it may just have cost them the next-gen gaming war.

I'm not a gamer"z" kind of person, but I have to ask again. How would PS3's inclusion of a Blu-ray player cost them the "next-gen gaming war"? What is the connection?

They gave XBOX a one year lead because they had to wait for the Blu-ray drive. Plus, their gaming console was the most expensive ever launched because of the drive. That is why.

the funny thing is most people that are buying the playstation 3 and not even using it for gaming. lol

does anyone else have the latest game informer issue !!! lol

where does playstation 3 come into on the most sold games list of 2007

a brilliant ...... wait for it..................................... 9. with Call of Duty

which funnly enough was top of the list on xbox 360

what a great gamming system im going to go buy one right now....

Henning, so it's the expense and delay of including the Blu-ray drive and not the format itself? Your article failed to present this reasoning.

Obviously the delay had an effect on current market penetration, since the PS3 came out a year later than the Xbox 360 for even North America. However, I'm not sure if this was due to the inclusion of the Blu-ray player, the cell processor, or something else. I do know that the Nintendo game cube came before the XBox 360 and the PS3, however this did not cause the newer consoles to be a "casualty". I fail to see the "casualty of war" argument applicable there.

As far as cost, we found out the hard way that our child's XBox 360 costs much more than the $399 PS3. We paid an extra $99 just for the wifi add on, which the PS3 comes with internally! With all the add ons and adapters just to make our child's Xbox Elite functional, we have spent about $600.

Additionally, since the adoption curve for PS3 matches very closely that of the Xbox 360 in its first year, I don't get the entire premise of your article.

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Your article failed to present this reasoning.

And let this be a reminder to you Henning, that this organization will not tollerate . . . failure!

How about this?
http://nexgenwars.com/

* XBOX 14.5 million
PS3 7.8 million

* One full year
So if the PS3 was released at the sametime the XBOX was the PS3 would lead in sales. This only helps what Skyhawk is saying. The Wii is the only wonder selling console on the market.

[Post edited by tony1569 on Jan 18, 2008]

I'm a 360 fan but I LOVE final fantasy games. I'll break down and buy a ps3 when ff13 comes out. square enix is the best game developer in my opinion. I think the only thing holding the ps3 back now is lack of games. They need big exclusive titles to compete with the other consoles.

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Could they have risked the Playstation as a gaming console in order to win the next generation HD movie format?

That's exactly what they did, and I'm sure they knew what they were doing all along. By coming to market with a $600 game console, they knew they would lose this round of the console wars. But even if they had the poorest game console sales, that would nearly guarantee a victory in the next-generation format war. I keep hearing, "consumers are choosing Blu-Ray" from studio execs and Sony fanboys. Um, no. PS3 Owners are choosing Blu-Ray because they got a player for free when they bought their game console — they account for the vast majority of Blu-Ray disc buyers. Warner dropped HD DVD in favor of joining Sony/Disney/Fox in selling movies solely to PS3 owners. Time will tell if Blu-Ray is capable of expanding beyond the UMD of the PS3.

I applaud Sony for their strategy. How else do you get consumers to buy something they don't appreciate, beyond bundling it with something else they were going to buy anyhow.

[Post edited by Spanbauer on Jan 18, 2008]

All Jokes Aside
As a gaming system PS# will ALWAYS be sunordinate to the other systems ,especially to multi system owners, for something as simple as ,THE ABSENCE OF VIBRATION
Simply stated, the stupidest thing they ever did was release the system without a rumble pack controler. As a gamer..being able to know when youve been hit, driving of the road ect.. is probably more important than most of us knew since weve been so used to having the feature...but not having it has pushe me and most gamers I know to by any game thats multi platform toward Xbox360 and even Wii and definately tell others to leave the Ps3 alone Unless they want a blueray player.
Cause in essence that what it is ... a Blueray player. Until it comes out with its own proprietary titles and the features that even the lesser next gen powered Wii has ...Rumble

Why can't people just admit that both the 360 and PS3 are great systems, and just enjoy the games. I am getting tired of fanboys. I have a 360 and love it. Due to some great upcoming software, I will get a PS3 this year. See, you can have both.

As they say on destructoid, stfuajpg!

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but Microsoft plans on realeasing a new version of the 360 later this year. With the impending release, I would assume the educated buyer would hesitate on purchasing one of the original 360s. As such, their sales will dip a little bit until then. Prior to CES, this new XBOX 360 was rumored to contain an HD DVD player however, I don't think it will happen now.

What spanbaur said, is one of the most logical replies that I'v heard in a while.

[Post edited by tony1569 on Jan 19, 2008]

I actually switched to a PS3 after owning an XBox 360 a few months ago. I gave the XBox a good solid chance...spent several hundred dollars on downloads....several hundred on games and accessories...never even had the red ring of death....

Which as a sidenote, you have to own A LOT of accessories with the XBox...seriosuly? No battery pack? For real? Out of the box I am out buying Duracells to power it up like it is Easter morning or something!

Seriously...no battery pack....I am 30. Minus a TV remote, my things doesn't use Duracell's anymore. They plug in somewhere. They have internal battery packs.

Anyway, the nickeling and diming didn't bother me. After all, XBox did give you the ability to upgrade things. Every problem did have an accessory that could fix the problem. Didn't like popping in batteries, you could buy a battery pack. No problem.

But how much money would I have paid to make that things just quiet down for five minutes! $100? $200? $300?

It sounded like a weed wacker! After two hours, I was wondering where I supposed to put the gasoline. Kerosene? Etrhanol? Who knows!? Sweet mother of God! It's louder than a refrigerator. Why is that?

Plus, as time went on with the admittedly superior XBox Live service....I just got tired of being called racially innapropriate epithets by 12 year olds.

Face it. Between it being noisy, requiring little Duracell batteries, and the fact that it was loaded up with teenage kids.....XBox kinda' was a toy.

True, it's online is superior, but it's full of 12-year old nitwits. I have had a very different experience on PS3. Much older...almost to the point of being boring. Truly.

Between the fact that it is whisper quiet, and the fact that online games are....pleasant and polite. I don't know. I am sold on the PS3. I think it may be the fact that I am old and lame. I'd rather play Motorstorm online and finish up a race with "Good game" than play Halo and explain to an 11 year old that "Moon Chicken" isn't even a real racial epithet.

I keep hearing this rumor that my PS3 (Blu-ray player and HT media center with Internet access) also plays games... hmm. I'll have to do more research on this sooner or later. It would be cool if my PS3 also came with a free game console built inside!

BTW Greenhouse...one of those "hidden" cost you may not like about the ps3..is when the battery in the "non rumble" controllers burns out.... you cant replace them... so be ready to hock up 50 more dollars for a new one..[even though you may have to do it anyway for Dual shock controlers when they come out]. and theres many rechargable batt option with the 360 not to mention extended warrantee services specifically for the ring of death issue

Greenhouse your da man! goo explanation of availiable choices.

as owner of both consoles. ps3 isssssss toooooo boring, 360 allows muting diff players, putting down the volume. turning off the set. or unplugging it though.

What kind of fool doesn't get something fixed for free - even if you wanted to get rid of it?! My 360 (second replacement already) died last month (RRoD). I bought a 360 Elite (it is SWEET!), and sent-off my other console to get repaired - which I just got back this week. I'm selling it while it still works - and while it's under warranty. I'll take a $50.00 - $100.00 loss, but my new console has the falcon processor, so I don't expect problems. It runs quieter, cooler - and it smells great (just kidding)!

Anyone contemplating a new XBOX 360 console, be sure to get one with a 175w power supply. If it says "203w" - it's the older (version 2) console - even if it has the HDMI port! It's on the label on the side.

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It runs quieter, cooler - and it smells great!

I love the smell of Ham in the morning... it smells like... victory.

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A few things missing here as well:

1. Total sales since launch.
XBOX 360: 17.7 Million
PS3: Estimated 9 million (Hope to meet 11 million by March) (Many sold in Japan which generally is giving the 360 a hard time because it is from the US)

2. Game Sales.
PS3 has no really great games going for it and in the end that is what will matter. In the top 10 (all platforms) of December XBOX 360 had 4 titles (Including the no. 1 spot). The PS3 had 0. In 2007 (whole year) top 10 XBOX 360 had 3 titles in top 10 (Including the no. 1 spot.) The PS3 had 0.

Henning, you should stick to writing movie related news. You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to gaming.

With your logic you could say that americans are giving the PS3 a hard time because it's from Japan? Why is it that when games like Ace Combat are released the XB360 sales are on par with the PS3? Maybe the japs have another taste in games, US (trigger happy americans)=FPS, rest of the world not so much.

World sales clearly show that the PS3 is selling on par and better than the XB360. It's only US, UK, and Australia where the XB360 is selling better than PS3. XB360 sales are dying in most of Europe.

You say the PS3 hasn't got any games? Are you for real? Since november the amount of great games are more than enough to keep you busy for a long time.

Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty 4, Uncharted, Ratche&Clank, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, Guitar Hero 3, Singstar, Motorstorm, Skate, Unreal Tournament 3, Orange Box, Rock Band, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, DiRT, Oblivion, FIFA 08, Burnout Paradise, DMC4, etc..

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1028&page_type=games

Total XB360 sales are at 16.5M (not 17,7) and PS3 sales at around 9.5M. If the trend continues the PS3 could catch up with the XB360 by early 2009 or even before that if mega titles like MGS, Final Fantasy, Grand Tourismo, also titles like Killzone 2, Resistance 2 and Little Big Planet, The Agency, InFamous, SOCOM, Tekken 6, Motorstorm 2, The Getaway 3, Wardevil, Haze, White Knight Chronicles, GTA-IV, sell tons of PS3s.

The difference in great games is a bad excuse now Henning, also devs having dev. probs on the PS3 are a thing of the past. http://www.psu.com/Developers-struggle-with-PS3--A-thing-of-the-past-Feature--a0002324-p0.php

Both the XB360 and PS3 are great gaming machines so stop the nonsense that if you like to play games then you should go for the XB360, that's just to fanboy'ish of you Henning.

Edit: This is from the same article you linked Henning.
"BIZ: What does it say about the PS3 that it still couldn't break a million units in December when every other platform did?

AF: Actually, of the next-gen systems it realized the greatest month-over-month increase at 70+% of November unit sales. Of the ongoing viable systems in the marketplace, its growth was only "bested" by its sibling, the PS2. The software slate for the PS3 is still ramping up, and that is what we know will truly drive those big sales increases."
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd-us-video-game-industry-totals-1794-billion-halo-3-tops-all/19119/?biz=1&page=2

[Post edited by Bordello1900 on Jan 20, 2008]

HEY UGO,

did you not read the article posted, because your numbers differ from the article that you left a post on, hmmm i wonder who to believe ??????

It is very interesting the comments of some PS3 owners which make perfect sense in regard to the format war: The main reason (and probably the only one) Blu-Ray is "winning" this format war (at least in the US) is because of the PS3. If it hadn't been for it, the format would have been doomed a while back. A lot of the PS3 owners only use their PS3 for movie viewing, my brother-in-law has both, PS3 and XBOX 360 and his PS3 sits in the living room as a Blu-Ray player and the XBOX 360 in the game room for game entertainment.

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HEY UGO,

did you not read the article posted, because your numbers differ from the article that you left a post on, hmmm i wonder who to believe ??????

Ugo's numbers are worldwide, NPD are americas only.

From this link you can see the approximate worldwide sales numbers for every week.
http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php

You can see that every week since november PS3 has sold more than XB360 worldwide. Yes, the XB360 still has sold a total of 16.5M consoles, and the PS3 only 9.5M consoles.

As you can see from the worldwide hardware sales, the combined sales from PS2, PS3 and PSP gives Sony a big percentage of the gaming market.

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you have to own A LOT of accessories with the XBox...seriosuly? No battery pack? For real? Out of the box I am out buying Duracells to power it up like it is Easter morning or something!

Seriously...no battery pack....I am 30. Minus a TV remote, my things doesn't use Duracell's anymore. They plug in somewhere. They have internal battery packs.

ummmmmm.... Are you serious?(LOL) I have had 360 since launch and both my contollers have rechargeable battery packs!!!! Pus both my controlers rumble unlike ps3! Microsoft makes 2 diferent types of battery packs, plus aot of 3rd party companys make them as well! talk about a troll statement lol

I think that the only reason Sony is still selling and producing games for PS2 after a year of the release of the PS3 is because they know their "all mighty" PS3 is not sellling as good as they thought. So from a corporate standpoint, the PS2 has become Sony's lifeboat. If the PS3 does not pick it up from the gaming perspective, the PS2 "lifeboat" will deflate soon leaving Sony clinging onto Blu-Ray alone.

According to forbes.com look it up if you dont believe me
Microsoft
1.total sales- 46 billion
2.profit - 11.91 billion
3.assets - 66.37 billion
4.market value- 275.85 billion
Sony
1.total sales- 63.62 billion
2. PROFIT - 1.05 billion (good job sony)
3. assets - 88.75 billion
4. market value 52.14 billion

Well when you own a monopoly on the OS software market you should have a greater profit margin than your competitor.

look at the amount of sales sony did and the weak profit they made. they are getting there butts kicked right now and because of that they cant sell anything at a profit.

I agree, Sony is loosing around $400 to $500 on every console. I don't know you but to me that looks like a sign of desperation.

Well Sony has been able to cut the production cost of the PS3 to around $400 bucks.
http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/01/12/sony-cuts-production-cost-of-ps3-may-give-xbox-360-run-for-its-money/

A Business Week quote,

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Analysts Applaud Efforts to Shrink PS3 Chips
Stringer's promise to raise Sony's overall margins to 5% by the Mar. 31 fiscal yearend appears easily within reach. And margins should continue to improve as Sony's video-game division, Sony Computer Entertainment, trims the console's manufacturing costs and revs up output.

Nikko Citigroup's Kota Ezawa estimates the games division will lose $1.4 billion this fiscal year, following last year's $2.1 billion loss. And while he doesn't expect the business to be prosperous until late 2009, Ezawa applauds Sony's efforts to shrink the PS3's chips and tweak its design. Already such changes have cut the cost per machine to around $400 now, from above $800 just before it went on sale in November, 2006, he says. (The PS3 with an 80-gigabyte hard-disk drive retails in the U.S.

[Post edited by tony1569 on Jan 20, 2008]

WoWguy said -

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"look at the amount of sales sony did and the weak profit they made. they are getting there butts kicked right now and because of that they cant sell anything at a profit."

Well, I've been critical of Sony somewhat in the past, but to say that "they can't sell anything at a profit" is just UNTRUE! Sony has had several overall profitable divisions over the last few years:

Cell Phone operations - with ERICSSON)

Theatrical Film operations - SONY PICTURES

HDTV operations - BRAVIA FLAT-PANEL

Yes, they have spent well north of $1 billion on costs related to PS3 development/marketing, and Blu-ray operations. But they are completely focused making both of these the center of their overall entertainment strategy, and will stop at nothing to insure that these will be making profits sooner than later, in the coming years. Even to go as far as to reportedly pay Fox $120 million to remain Blu-ray exclusive - just another expense the company feels is justified to push for a PROFITABLE SUCCE$$ to PS3 and Blu-ray.

A recent PROFIT NOTE on Engaget's website a few months back...

"Sony reported its second quarter earnings today, and while the company's overall profits were up, at ¥90.5B ($790M), the Playstation division's losses for the quarter came in at ¥96.7B ($844M), double those of a year ago. Sony says that once it's done accounting for all the recent PS3 inventory changes, it hopes the Playstation division will break even -- potentially in the second half of the fiscal year. Of course, since the PS3 is sold at a loss, the numbers might indicate that Sony's selling more PS3s than ever, but something tells us that's not exactly the plan."

New Releases? - "Available Tuesday on DVD and hi-def Blu-ray"

-Love Hendrix! (The Loverboy)
~ DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray/KURO Plasma owner ~

Nice for them. I don't mean to sound like a sore HD-DVD fanboy but I've read in the past from reputable sources about Sony's deceptive manubers, so I find it hard to believe that Sony found a "magical cure" and were able to reduce cost to nearly half in such a short period of time. In my very personal opinion, either Sony is inflating the numbers so companies invest in the PS3 via games and such, OR the "reduced chip" and other components now used are low-end components. After all Sony doesn't label their consoles like PC companies do, so for all we know (as an example) PS3 used to have at launch Intel Centrino Dual Core 2 processors but their "reduced ship" might now be an old Intel Celeron (I know those are not the chips but is just an example).

Like I said, I'm not whinning about HD-DVD loosing ground, I just don't trust corporations with dubious past such as Sony.

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Ummm...I believe Sony lost something to tune of 530 Million dollars on their TV division last year. Though I believe Sony is blaming their rear projection units which they are now discontinuing.

A few years ago I bought a 50in sony sxrd for 3500 and LESS than a year later it was down to 1500. Great tv but I moved across the country and had to pretty much give it away as I couldnt sell it without taking a huge loss and ups wanted 1400 to ship it. I tried contacting sony for a new box and they told me I was s.o.l. thats when I lost a lot of faith in sony as a company. on the other hand if there trend of constantly cutting costs continues I will hopefully be able to pick up a ps3 for 250 bucks by christmas. that is if there is any good games by then.

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As a gaming system PS# will ALWAYS be sunordinate to the other systems ,especially to multi system owners, for something as simple as ,THE ABSENCE OF VIBRATION
Simply stated, the stupidest thing they ever did was release the system without a rumble pack controler. As a gamer..being able to know when youve been hit, driving of the road ect.. is probably more important than most of us knew since weve been so used to having the feature.

Sony faced some legal trouble with that one, for violating some patent. it's settled now and they released the dualshock3 which is a sixaxis with vibration.

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BTW Greenhouse...one of those "hidden" cost you may not like about the ps3..is when the battery in the "non rumble" controllers burns out.... you cant replace them... so be ready to hock up 50 more dollars for a new one..[even though you may have to do it anyway for Dual shock controlers when they come out]

You haven't really checked about that have you. they can be replaced, though the tutorial on how to do so is not very accurate. after you unscrew 5 bolts you have to push the analogue sticks down. not everyone can figure it out alone. i was told how it works (the part about the analogue sticks), because i couldn't do it myself. thought i opened it just for a clean-up.
here's where you can buy one or tell a friend in need http://www.consoleshop.com/product.php?productid=16765&cat=306

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After all Sony doesn't label their consoles like PC companies do, so for all we know (as an example) PS3 used to have at launch Intel Centrino Dual Core 2 processors but their "reduced ship" might now be an old Intel Celeron (I know those are not the chips but is just an example).

shows how much nothing you know about the ps3. it uses the Intel Cell processor. always has, and hasn't changed. the production cost was lowered once they switched from 90nm to 65nm Cell chips. use google or wikipedia unless you want to be laughed at for such wide-spread knowledge you lack.

though i admit the ps3 does not suffer on the developer support side. very few games got the needed attention on the ps3 versions and they sold even worse, because of it. the later games from the end of the year (Assassin's Creed, CoD4, R&C:TOD) really have shown that the ps3 is at least as capable as the 360, and in some areas (like the graphics of R&C:ToD) even more.
But until Home comes out it certainly can't compete with the 360 on the online service ground. and even then it will be just beginning to catch-up on that, where it's far behind.

[Post edited by katz on Jan 21, 2008]

I am sorry, but if you are selling product at a loss in order to make your numbers look good to your share holders, those share holders tend not to want to be share holders for much longer when they see the losses on their stock portfolios...

Don't get me wrong, my first color TV was a Sony and I have had a great deal of respect for the technology and innovation they have brought forth into the arena of consumer and professional electronics, over the years...but to base the future of the company on a game console, that is being heavily subsidized is just plain insane...

Having had the pleasure and misfortune to experiment with both the Xbox 360 and the PS3, I have to lean towards the Xbox as a more complete gaming experience.

Sony's problem with PS3 sales is not the XBox 360 or the Wii. It is their own PS2 system which nearly sold as many as the PS3 did last year and continues to do so. Why would game studios jump on the PS3 bandwagon when they can produce games for less on the ps2 and sell even more per title?

The real problem is that Sony lied to people (just like they did with the PS2) when the over hyped the specs...

With the PS2 they claimed outrageous rendering capabilities and forgot to mention that it was without AA and with AA on it was only about 1.5x the power of the Dreamcast.

With the PS3 they showed demos that they never told anyone would be unplayable. Now it turns out the PS3 can't keep up with the 360 when advanced T&L are used so the 360 atmospheric lighting is much better than that of the PS3.

Of course all of this doesn't even take into account their rootkit incident.

You gamerz are so cool! Can you recommend games for the PS3 I could someday try (when I have the time)? How about the 360? Our son has the 360 (to keep him away from my HT setup!). Our daughter has a Wii thingy. But no guitar hero please. That's the lamest thing I've every seen in my little life time to date. The fact that it's sold so many units just tells me something about today's "gamerz" crowd. Oh boy.

1st of, try guiter hero, i felt the exact same way, until some one gave it to me. trying to be funny. now i play everycouple days.

2. most friends, (in their late 20s, that were there when i got it, went out and bought it? lol . give it a chance.

3. what kind of games do you like, i have both systems, but i favor the 360.

elterrible said,

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With the PS3 they showed demos that they never told anyone would be unplayable. Now it turns out the PS3 can't keep up with the 360 when advanced T&L are used so the 360 atmospheric lighting is much better than that of the PS3.

Do you own a PS3, have you played a PS3 game, do you know anyone that owns a PS3, have you touched a PS3, furthermore do you even know what a PS3 looks like? Because judging by your statement you have no clue as to what a PS3 can do, and for the record I do own one in fact I've bought 2. The XBOX doesn't even have WiFi. In order to get a wireless conection you have to fork out an addtional $100. As I recall you have to spend an additional $200 more bucks just to get a unit with HDMI. Does the core unit even support Dolby TrueHD? By the way this is all on the entry level 40 gig PS3 ($400). To get an equally equiped XBOX 360 your looking at $600. The processing power can't be match and 2008 will prove that. Oh and I forgot the PS3 network is FREE.

[Post edited by tony1569 on Jan 21, 2008]

kucoloco, I've made my living playing guitar and teaching for many years until I got into other "artsy" stuff. If this silly "press the plastic key on the fake plastic guitar when the video tells you" actually got kids interesting in playing the instrument for real, I'd support it. But anecdotally this hasn't been the case from by observations. It's the continuation of the "Western Civilization's" motto: "if you can pretend to do something and it doesn't take work and time, why do the real thing"? Frankly I see this nonsense as actually damaging. But that's my opinion, so take it like all opinions on the Internet.

Games I like are on the PC. I enjoy Half-life 2 for example, with a sci-fi theme and interactive elements in the environment. The wife on the other hand would need a Sims 2 type of game on a console, complete with accessories!

Hawk have you looked at the Orange Box, great deal you get five games in one Half LIfe 2, Half Life Episode 1 and Episode 2, Team Fortress and the awesome Portal. Portal alone is worth a look.

Skyhawk,

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I've made my living playing guitar and teaching for many years until I got into other "artsy"

Hey Skyhawk,

I played the piano for many years until joint pain in my fingers and hands kicked in. I still play every now and then escpecially around Christmas, my sister has a white YAMAHA baby grand and she insist that I play while they sing Christmas songs. But there is a game call Rock Band we should get (you, Kucoloco, and myself) and play different instruments online together in a band.

Movielover, I don't have Portal. I have the others though, but I hate that "steam" thingy!

I'll have to look that one up. Thanks!

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But there is a game call Rock Band we should get (you, Kucoloco, and myself) and play different instruments online together in a band.

Err.. I don't think so Tony

My practice regiment took 6 hours a day of my time when I played professionally. Yeah I was really into it - both university for a few years and performing. I actually won the Toronto Conservatory open competition in classical guitar (at a time when I was doing Tony Iommi licks to just make money! )

I got pretty jaded with the industry though. I still play, but I stopped putting my entire being into it after getting jaded. Guitar used to define me. It doesn't any more.

Skyhawk said -

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"I actually won the Toronto Conservatory open competition in classical guitar"

Skyhawk, one of my favorite LaserDisc concerts is with Spanish classical guitarist ANGEL ROMERO, the late blind pianist GEORGE SHEARING, the late drummer SHELLY MANNE, and bassist BRIAN TORF - in 1981 - performing Claude Bolling’s "Concerto for Classical Guitar and Jazz Piano" at the Ambassador Auditorium, Pasadena, California.

I've owned it since the early 1980s, and really love Angel's playing here.

-LH (The Laserboy)

[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Jan 21, 2008]

Oh my goodness, please don't speak of practice. Eventhough I did actually enjoyed playing. My father was a local radio DJ and he always pushed me. I played on a many cd demo for people who had aspirations of becoming an artist, and offers to play in bands but I always used my music as an frustration outlet. I have a 88 key YAMAHA keyboard connected to a ProLogic reciever in the basement and sometimes (when the hands don't hurt) I go down there and play for hours to actually relieve a stressful day. The wife love's Moonlight Sonata.

[Post edited by tony1569 on Jan 21, 2008]

Sky, i know what you mean, I've take guitar lessons to please my father years ago, He plays the guitar well, and teaches students, but i dont like games because they let me try the real thing, i like games that are fun, and I try to stay away form simulators. Racing. sports etc. guitar hero is just fun, speacially co-op, but i see your point, since you play the guitar. even the guys that made the game, think is weird, after you play the real guitar. --if you enjoy half life. the orange box would be good. I also had it on the pc, you wont regret it.

Tony, the wifi point on the 360 is dumb, wifi is slower than the wire, so i dont care. the online on the ps3 is free, but inferior to the 360 live in many ways. in ps3 you gotta INSTALL GAMES!!!!(i stopped playing on the pc because i was lazy, lol ) cant chat while playing, and could be matched up against better skilled players. ---In the 360 even thou you gotta pay. like 3 bucks a month, that makes people stick to one account, and your ranked better, against people your own skill level. can chat online while (with people on the game, and msg aswell), see alot of details of your friends stats, how often they play, etc.

-you dont wanna give the 360 a chance, because the early ones fail, even though is proven that the elites dont, and the new HDMI premiums. you might like it better than the ps3. lol.

I have a ps3, we should play MK. only thing i play, after trying a few things. lol

[Post edited by kucoloco on Jan 21, 2008]