Re: A Blu-ray Civil War?

Well, they make Bluetooth devices for people like Skyhawk with higher end setups, but yes, IR works fine for most folk (just like standard DVDs ) and will be the standard for years to come.


I love how they blame HD-DVD for being p.o.s. incomplete hardware. "well, they we're working better before us, so its their fault we suck". Its like blaming the smart kid for throwing off the grading curve. Its not his fault you're just an idiot hoping everyone else is as stupid as you. HD-DVD will likely lose, but its not because it was incomplete. It just didnt have the financial backing of $ony.

ANd now they'll cannibalize each other. Showing yet again how greedy Sony is. Much like the Queen song, they "want it all".

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HD-DVD will likely lose, but its not because it was incomplete.

Well until HD DVD has Bluetooth and built in wifi, and under $200... I'll just buy Blu.

kidding... I've owned HD DVD for over a year.

The irony in all of this remote control bitching is I'd guarantee you just about every one of us at some point in far distant past had to get our collective arses off the couch and go change the chanel by hand!

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I'd rather all other CE drop IR and go Bluetooth, then give us a universal Bluetooth remote. You see, my projector is ceiling mounted about 5' behind the seating area. Then I have two separate places for my equipment to the right of me along the wall, one just behind me to the right, another between 2 media cabinets about 6 feet in front of me. I can't point a universal remote to three places at once (yes I know there are solutions to this), but it's still a pain in planning out your HT configuration. IR doesn't bounce good either, because of the dark coverings and acoustic treatments I've applied in the room.

No offense Skyhawk, but this is one of the stupidest posts I've seen from you. It might be beneficial for *you* but not for most of the general population. It would mean dumping all current devices that use IR for Bluetooth which is a hell of a lot more expensive and hassle than simply making a Blu-Ray player/PlayStation with IR.

Anyway, if you have your devices all over the place the way that you do, there is a solution. There are RF adapters for IR universal remotes so you don't need to point the controller directly at the devices, they can even be in a closed closet if you want.

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No offense Skyhawk, but this is one of the stupidest posts I've seen from you. It might be beneficial for *you* but not for most of the general population. It would mean dumping all current devices that use IR for Bluetooth which is a hell of a lot more expensive and hassle than simply making a Blu-Ray player/PlayStation with IR.

Yeah, I could install dongles all over the room (and house). I'd prefer not to, as I already explained. And I didn't imply that everyone "dump" current devices (please read my posts more carefully), but that CE manufacturers would dump IR in new devices in favor of a more advanced, up-to-date technology without line-of-sight limitations. That's just silly and a no-brainer IMO. Progress is GOOD!

As CE transitions, harmony and other universal remote providers can support both IR and a more advanced technology within the same unit.

Remotes???

You guys must not have kids..I don' t think I've seen a remote in our house since the day I opened the box for the TV,PS3, etc..anything that came with a remote.

Hendrix, the point is that this should have never happened. Sony gave BD+ features to the studios so that they would feel more secure about releasing their movies. I don't believe that Sony is in any way attempting to rapidly resolve these issues. Everywhere you go on the internet, the choice is clear - PS3 is the only way to go. But what about those people that go into stores and don't read message board postings? All those people know is that the movies they want are on BR and they are probably the type that just want a traditional player, and not a bulky gaming console. The majority of BR owners here, with their PS3's, are not concerned about these issues, so why should Sony?

I know I'd be pissed if I found out my free BR player that came with the purchase of my TV all of a sudden wouldn't play some new titles at all. I'm not a bad person by any means, but I hope that things do go bad for BR, simply for forcing things to go one way.

Look at the news about the PS3 out selling the 360, maybe not a crushing defeat, but definitely has to be attributed to BR's specifications. But will Sony be able to sell the PS3 to the traditional electronics consumers? Once again, no thanks, I'm not taking a gaming console, just because Sony hadn't gotten their shit together - and it's all HD-DVDs fault!

It's OK HD_Fanatic, you can just drop the "HD" from your name, since I heard upconverted DVD is good enough.

That's funny Skyhawk!

To my knowledge, Sony was NOT involved in the creation of BD+ Protection (info). And I believe ONLY Fox has insisted on using it on their Blu-ray discs. That 'playback issue', as well as the compatibility for BD-Java applications need to be resolved going forward... blah blah blah (I'm tired of saying this).

(from above link) - BD+ is a component of the Blu-ray Disc Digital Rights Management system. It was developed by Cryptography Research Inc. and is based on their Self-Protecting Digital Content concept. BD+ is effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized players. It allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs. On November 19 2007, Macrovision announced that it planned to acquire the SPDC technology (including patents and software code) from CRI for US$45 million in cash plus stock warrants.

-LH (The Loverboy)

So why do people like Blu-Ray so much when HD-DVD doesn't have these problems?