Re: Toshiba Press Conference Tomorrow

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FYI - let's remember that the money that came out of consumers pockets $UPPORTED Blu-ray media more than HD-DVD media

yes, customers misled by false advertising and paid off employees who were told to push one format over the other. HD-DVD never had a chance.

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Well, I'm mostly offended that an editor I've respected for a good while was called a Shill (not really sure what that is .. but I'm quite positive it's derogatory).

Not too stray too far off topic, but he makes it quite clear that he and his site are pro blu, and I would certainly understand that a red supporter would feel slighted by some of the site's comments. With that said, I've seen little in the way of FUD.

I've only payed attention to the format war since late December about the time they declared their allegiance to the blu format. I'll dig through the site since his articles are all archived..I realize it doesn't make much difference/sense now, but I would be a bit disappointed to find that the site contributed to false information and I defended it. If that is indeed the case, then I retract all comments.

With that said, good luck RED, and again..if the announcement is "We got all the studios", then I'll be at BB/CC/Target to pick up a HD DVD before they can raise the prices..(not to say that they would..just trying to emphasize my lack of allegiance..which is actually blu..but only because I think it is inevitable).

I'm sure your definition of FUD differs from mine, regarding the topic and hand. We'd just go into a back and forth on the format war, and that's rather pointless right now. The war is over, and Blu-ray won. Your remark of 'good luck RED' is rather odd, did you type that on purpose?

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A lot of people for HD used to talk about the internet content of HD and the Ucontrol abilities but the people for BD said they didn't care about that and just wanted to watch the movie!?

yet now when people say Blu could be killed by digital downloads, its all "where's the extras?"
Hmmm....funny how a tune changes to suit a viewpoint.

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yes, customers misled by false advertising and paid off employees who were told to push one format over the other. HD-DVD never had a chance.

Wow jservo, are you sure you're not an "agent of the DVD Forum?" You sure are good at spewing propaganda.

Ok Reaggie... Sony hypnotized everyone they contacted, and lured them to joining the BRDA, and to do their will - retail/studio support/advertising support etc... and whatever else you can think up.

And us consumers also bought into Sony's hypnotization as a RE$ULT... except for you and others (HD-DVD only) who were somehow able to RESIST going to the 'dark side' of the Blu-ray HD force. Right?

So, I was Sony-tricked into adopting Blu-ray? - Hmmm....

Scratching my head... I must have been tricked into supporting LaserDisc, DVD, and HD-DVD too... -LOL-

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
~ HI-DEF DUAL FORMAT SUPPORTER ~

WTF! DID YOU READ WHAT I TYPED? Hypnotyzing what? They had a plan of attack and stuck to it...

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Ok Reaggie... Sony hypnotized everyone they contacted, and lured them to joining the BRDA, and to do their will - retail/studio support/advertising support etc... and whatever else you can think up.

And us consumers also bought into Sony's hypnotization as a RE$ULT... except for you and others (HD-DVD only) who were somehow able to RESIST going to the 'dark side' of the Blu-ray HD force. Right?

So, I was Sony-tricked into adopting Blu-ray? - Hmmm....

Scratching my head... I must have been tricked into supporting LaserDisc, DVD, and HD-DVD too... -LOL-

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
~ HI-DEF DUAL FORMAT SUPPORTER ~

I GAVE SONY FULL MARKS FOR A GREAT DEPLOYMENT OF BLU-RAY AND YOU HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THESE BULLSH*T REMARKS! ARE YOU STONED? THEY HAD GREAT ADMIRATION FOR THEIR PARTNERS AND ULTIMATELY GAVE THEM ASSURANCE THEY AND ALL THEIR PARTNERS WERE GOING TO SUCEED! THAT'S HOW BUSINESS GOES... YOU HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO TOO MUCH HENDRIX... GO BACK TO YOUR DOOBIE......

[Post edited by ReaggieP on Feb 18, 2008]

ReaggieP emotionally said -

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"THEY HAD GREAT ADMIRATION FOR THEIR PARTNERS AND ULTIMATELY GAVE THEM ASSURANCE THEY AND ALL THEIR PARTNERS WERE GOING TO SUCEED!"

OK... so now Sony has the power to look into the future, huh? I wonder how many other companies would like to have "assurance" etc to know that a business venture is "going to succeed" - ?

$uccess is the RESULT of $ALES. And nowhere is sales and 'winning a format war' guaranteed to "succeed". And how many times have we to be reminded of ALL the past FAILURES that Sony's entertainment divisions have been behind! (oh boy)

The Walkman Cassette player and the PS2 are "hits" - but what about the company's many failures?

The big 'unknown' factor in business is whether the consumer will buy it, and no one really knows in advance of a 'definite success'. Just like you cannot truly predict which movies will be major hits, good hits, minor hits, poor hits, and outright 'turkeys' in the marketplace.

For Blu-ray, Sony had a popular gaming system, and control of a large movie studio/TV division/music division... but nothing was guaranteed to be hugely 'successful', and it still isn't - DON'T FORGET THE LARGE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT for the standard DVD market!

They are now on their way to making profits, but to date have spent much more bankrolling the backend/developement, and will not see real profits for the PS3 or Blu-ray until 2010 at the earliest (according to projections).

AS LONG AS CON$UMERS KEEP MAKING THE PURCHA$ES... see?

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Feb 18, 2008]

Yes, when you have a sucessfull platform you can be boastful of your ideas? Admiration for you partners is a perfect way of decribing a major swing to the industry? I don't see any harm in that. No crystal ball, no fortune teller. My guess is by quarter two, everyone at that time, knew they had a damn good chance of winning. The last few quarters, came the QB sneak, with the WB changing their minds, and the retail support following suit. Those business decision, played by NETFLIX, and Best Buy had to have some form of investment or incentive? If I was in Blu-Ray's position I would have done the same. I'm clearly not mocking it at all. Smart Move by them. None of my comments tonight reflex any form of negativity towards them at all? They played the GAME almost perfectly? Why can't you understand that?

Bruce,

I did type it on purpose. I didn't mean any offense to it. I'm going to assume that their is going to be an early press release and I have a feeling that it is going to negatively impact the HD DVD consumers (RED).

I truly hope, that their is some amends to the early adopters of HD DVD. After some thought, I'm not really concerned about defending the bits, and if they spread FUD..well I'm sure there's enough of that going around everywhere anyways.

I never really meant to start any argument that's not my intention here. Its funny how something so trivial can divide people so easily. Scary. (Not talking about you BA..just in general).

Uni

ReaggieP... and why can't you understand my point - that it all depends on CONSUMER SALE$?

Everything you cited does NOT assure consumer sales/profits, just because the "game plan" is being properly executed. It might, or might not. You seem to overlook this, and fail to give credit to the consumers - it's them who will decide if the Blu-ray format becomes a $UCCESS!

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)