Done here. Enjoy your anti-Blu board and all cry together how HD-DVD is so great.

After the rash of deleted posts that a moderator who is pissed about HD-DVD losing the format war, I decided that this ANTI-BluRay site is best left to the HD-DVD fanboy posts that don’t get deleted. In the past few days, two posts that I have created have been deleted.

1- Paramount goes back to BluRay
2- A thank you to Warner for creating the momentum to end the format war.

Neither was geared at rubbing the faces of HD-DVD in the mud, but because the mod was pissed, he deleted them.

This is no longer a place to opine, but a place to cry about HD-DVD being a loser format. O and this post will probably get deleted too, because it is not PRO HD-DVD. No matter how many posts get deleted, this board cannot change the facts or turn back time. Blu-Ray won.

Calling HD-DVD a loser is not an insult. In a war, there are WINNERS and LOSERS.

I guess at DVDTOWN.com, where movies matter, if you don't agree with the moderator, you don’t matter.

Bye

[Post edited by bowfiend on Feb 22, 2008]

What do you expect bowfiend?

Blu-fans have done nothing but show complete immaturity in regards to the format war, and making posts like the Warner post is just asking for a flame war to start. You wanna blame us HD-DVD fans but you don't want to take any responsibility in the role you had to start it all. Sorry, but you sound like a hypocrite when you make a post like you have and then complain when it gets deleted.

Have you ever heard of the term, think before you speak? Well apply that to just before you post. Granted I am not innocent in this format war thing, but I have sunk to the level some Blu fans have, nor will I sit here and let you put the blame on HD-DVD fans. It is your attitude and whining that has led you to this point. You have no one to blame but yourself.

[Post edited by DjfunkmasterG on Feb 22, 2008]

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2- A thank you to Warner for creating the momentum to end the format war.

Oh that's real classy.

Funny I don't see even long time Blu-ray exclusive supporters like Tony (who was affectionately referred to as "Sony" here) start threads like this, or even make much of a comment on the outcome of this format war.

For once (or maybe twice now?) I agree with DjfunkmasterG. What did you expect?

I tend to lean toward the word Ignorance when certain posters about HD DVD.

"Ignorance is the condition of being uninformed or uneducated, lacking knowledge or information."

You know Bowfiend, if you were not so anti HD DVD, you might be capable of having a conversation on this board. I can safetly say that the majority of HD DVD users on this board know what Blu-Ray is capable of, and we do realize it will be the future format. At least for now.

I can personally say that many frustrations of many HD DVD owners is why Blu though? For those that believe in the format, we truly(or at least myself) believe that it was the best solution for personal use and consumers. Some of us had personal reasons against Sony, some of us were early adopters, and you could not drag the format from our dead cold hands. Some of us just liked the format due to cost. Whatever the persons reasons for liking a format, simply got disreguarded by certain Blu fanboys. A lot of posters visit this site daily, and it doesn't leave room for discussion on anything when you seen this kind of crap posted in a forum.

BLU RAY WINS!
BLU RAY SCREWS HD DVD
BLU RAY GET UNIVERSAL AND PARAMOUNT
BLU RAY IS THE FORMAT OF CHOICE
BLU RAY IS SO GREAT
BLU RAY EATS TOSHIBA FOR BREAKFAST
BLU RAY TO GET XBOX ADD ON
BLU RAY AND SONY ARE THE BEST
ANOTHER STUDIO GOES BLU!


Seriously, this is how pathetic the majority of your and other posters look! Personally speaking, I don't mind reading the Blu Ray posts, if it's going to be educational, but if its some dumped link and no story of the link, that's what is annoying. It seems like you guys are in some kindo of race to post fluff? I don't get it, but whatever. Well I hope you enjoyed being a killjoy... Good luck in the Blu-Ray cult forum...

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For once (or maybe twice now?) I agree with DjfunkmasterG

do I see a trend developing here?

Don't let the door smack you in the arse!!!

Go hang out at the Blu Ray site, where all the high school kids skipping school hang out.

Could you take ScottBaio10 with you?

Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

Well, to be fair, this site is definitely HD DVD bias, and so are the moderators and owner.

That's just how it is, some sites lean red, others lean Blu.

I think the funny part is that in about a year this site will probably be mostly Blu, as HD DVD will have faded even more from the public eye. I wonder if hddvd.org will still take you here?

Oh, and bowfiend, you'll be back, "they" always come back.

the name hddvd.org was picked long before there was a format war. Long before there were anything called Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Henning choose it because it seemed like a logical name for the HD format that would come after DVD.

I can't seem to long in to my old name so I had to create another similar!!

As a PC user with an LG Blu-Ray/HD DVD combo drive, I consider myself pretty much transparent to much of the situations going on with this HD war. I do have to say that it is no surprise that Sony won, because they are a well establish company with high brand awareness. As well, I think they were more aggressive in both active and passive marketing of Blu-Ray. I believe that they worked out their gameplan a little more strategically than Toshiba. In regards to superiority, as of right now, I think they are pretty much the same. I think that in the future though, the fact that Blu-Ray does hold more space, that it would eventually overtake HD DVD. I do not know much about the layering technology, but the only way that HD DVD could have possibly beaten Blu-Ray in the future is offer a disc with more available layering than Blu-Ray. Another major factor in the eyes of a PC user is that there are more Blu-Ray burners out there than HD DVD burners. In fact, I have never seen an HD DVD burner anywhere. Anyone with a "techie" background would see this as a major disadvantage...not being able to burn to this media. In fact, I know that this feature could be added to hardware specs pretty quickly, but the fact is that HD DVD hardware manufacturers did not respond quick enough in that aspect.

There are many more (probably thousands of) points to make regarding both sides of the story. This will definitely be studied in marketing classes in the future, because this is by far more of a marketing issue than many people give it credit for. At any rate, what's done is done. You can't unring bells that have already been rung. It will be interesting to see how things go for both formats.

I have been watching many trends in pricing of both discs. I noticed that before the big drop of HD DVD, prices of Blu-Ray discs were fairly low (like average of about $15 each...from watching Amazon, Half, and Ebay closely). After this whole ordeal, prices have risen back up to between $20 to $25 a movie. It is apparent that many people have been watching this HD war for a while now. As a result, many people have embraced Blu-ray, making prices spike quickly on all movies. Hopefully we will soon see a downward price trend take place as the economies of scale come into place and more Blu-Ray discs manufacture and the prices begin to fall. On the other side, it seems that whenever Walmart, Best Buy, and Netflix released their views about HD DVD, the prices of HD DVDs began to fall drastically. You could pick up many titles under $15 on Half and Ebay. This showed that many people were beginning to dump HD DVD. As of now though, it seems that prices have risen minutely after Toshiba announced the discontinuing of player manufacturing. I guess this is due to the people wanting to cash in on cheap discs. At any rate, this whole situation is very interesting indeed. Too bad manufacturers of players could not have followed the way of LG and just make dual format players. The standalones are very expensive, but PC ones are very affordable.

I don't see a very good future for anyone supporting HD DVD right now, but who knows, maybe Toshiba or another HD DVD manufacturer might have an ace up their sleeve that we might see surface in the near future. There is no telling. As for me and many other consumers, I am glad that something finally happened and we can get everything HD in one format. There is nothing like going to a store and wanting to pick up either an HD DVD or Blu-Ray only to discover that it was only released in the opposite format. NOT COOL.

And since HD DVD, was created from the same people who supported and developed SD DVD, it is only logical that this site tilts towards HD DVD. All I can say, is try going to the Blu web site and talk the same garbage that the Blu supporters talk in here and see what happens to you.

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I don't see a very good future for anyone supporting HD DVD right now, but who knows, maybe Toshiba or another HD DVD manufacturer might have an ace up their sleeve that we might see surface in the near future. There is no telling. As for me and many other consumers, I am glad that something finally happened and we can get everything HD in one format. There is nothing like going to a store and wanting to pick up either an HD DVD or Blu-Ray only to discover that it was only released in the opposite format. NOT COOL.

I don't think any HD DVD owners here has false illusions about it's future. Blu-ray won, and we have accepted that. However, HD DVD is not dead, and releases are still occuring, and owners have no reason not to buy the format, especially if they have a backup player and an already large collection. Furthermore, LG still plans to come out with a dual format player so the format will live on in both hardware and software releases (no doubt some small labels will continue to release in HD DVD).

So there is plenty to talk about regarding HD DVD: continuing releases, player/hardware issues, bargains, format war post mortem, etc. Obviously HD DVD talk here will fade away as does the format, while Blu-ray talk increases in like fashion. But it's better it happen naturally, with constructive discussion, and not the trolling that Bowfiend was here for. Good riddance.

[Post edited by BruceAmes on Feb 22, 2008]

As a matter of information, for the last week the editor has been conducting a running battle with the troll calling himself ScottBaio, banning him numerous times only to have him return under disguised ISPs, etc. In the process of banning ScottBaio, the editor deleted the threads that he started. We regret that the editor had to delete other, more sane and sensible posts along with the troll's posts.

Insofar as DVDTOWN.com or HDDVD.org favoring one format or the other, I think some people may confuse our readers' posts at the Message Board with the sites' official stance. We have always been format neutral and reported on all the news available about each technology. And as far as reviews go, we have reviewed more Blu-ray discs than HD DVDs.

But, yes, in the past month or two, we have had to ban more BD trolls than HD DVD trolls. That's just coincidence and life.

John

I seem to recall that bowfiend had purchased an HD-DVD player, right before the WB defection. If it weren't for the WB decision, you would still own an HD-DVD player. Think about those of us who bought into it before the new year. Does that make our opinion worth less? Simply we because we made the same decision as you, only about a month before?

No more 'crying' here. We lost. I'll do as many of the pro red guys here, and some dual supporters - I'll pick up a few HD-DVD movies while I still can. Mainly because I refuse to buy a PS3. I will eventually have to buy a BR player, but right now, it doesn't matter to me if a movie comes in a red case or blue, at the end of the day, it's still a high definition movie.

:: Looks around :: Where are the hidden cameras? Is this for real?

WOOT!

all things considered, its pretty sad you went from a fairly sane poster to some rabid Blu fan in about a month. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but that's not showing much intelligence. Perhaps you confused sanity with something that Baio fellow posted. THAT was a troll, an idiot, and a pox on this board. There are plenty of Blu fans here with good ideas, good posts, and intelligent input. Be part of that if you want. If you want to antagonize....good riddance.

I think I'll go back to my own dimension, where blu-ray doesn't exist and Sony makes the best HD DVD players! Of course... that VHS vs Beta war is still raging over there!!!

From what I've seen, most "normal" Blu-ray fans steer clear of this board as it is very HD DVD bias. I'm guessing that the Blu people you see here causing trouble are giving everyone here a little "payback" and enjoy watching the remaining red go nuts.

Both sides have idiots, and I'm guessing that if red had won you would have seen some red extremists on Blu-ray.com causing trouble.

I think you just need to not take this stuff so personally, and if you can, laugh at it all. Cause it really is funny ... and if you don't want to see it continue just don't respond to the posts. Indifference is the best insult!

And try to look at it as "we all won", cause really, a single format is what HD media needed to thrive.

We do not delete posts without reason and not because they are PRO Blu-ray.

What we delete ARE multiple posts about the same subject. The news many point links to have already been posted on this site under the NEWS tab. So please check this before posting. We DON'T need 10 posts about news we already posted on the site. Please remember this.

Lastly, DVDTOWN.com is FORMAT NEUTRAL. We bring news from both sides. We review both formats and have done so since they were launched. We have staff that only has Blu-ray, we have staff that have both. We have clearly stated on the HD page that we will focus more and more on Blu-ray as HD DVD releases will become less and less frequent.

Hope this clears up some of the confusion.

[Post edited by Henning on Feb 22, 2008]

If you want a biased website you can go to The Digital Bits or DVDFile...

DVDTown has always been neutral...but again, if you can't see this, it might mean that you don't have a clear mind...

yeah, this place is just as bad as bluray.com, where a single abberant thought against Blu Ray earns you a lifetime ban.


...oh wait, they DONT do that here.

JServo:

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yeah, this place is just as bad as bluray.com, where a single abberant thought against Blu Ray earns you a lifetime ban.


...oh wait, they DONT do that here.

If you people hate it so much, then why do you post here? And for everyone else... why do you care if these idiots leave? Let them go. They can pat themselves on the back over "their victory" and make all the spam threads they want on some pro-Blu forum all day long for all I care. I know I haven't been here long, but so far I've liked what I have seen. Once you sort through the trolls and spammers there are some really cool and knowlegable people here. I'd like to keept it that way. I say we weed all these assholes out. And no, I am not talking about anyone pro-Blu. If you can't tell the difference between being a BR fanatic and being a troll, then you probably shouldn't be here either.

Just my $0.02

Not just here, but I've seen this on various forums and I think its absolutely hilarious when people make these "departure threads" as if they think they were important enough they needed to make a thread marking their exit.

I was never happy about having competing formats. Sony and Toshiba really should have listened to each other's arguments about each other's benefits, AND considered where they needed to compromise and come together on one standard, instead of leaving the table in a huff and creating two differing formats. Sony felt storage capacity was more important... Toshiba was looking at a lower cost of HD format - which also meant lower capacity - by utilizing existing DVD manufacturing technology to make HD DVD discs. HD DVD could have gone to a third layer and upped the capacity to 45GB, but that thinking should have come about earlier on. HD DVD also had the web interactive features (from the get go), but blu-ray is now coming around with that (hence, all the fuss about the 2.0 players).

I am glad that the format war is over. Obviously - being an HD DVD owner - I would have preferred that HD DVD was the winner, but that's not what happened. I will eventually buy a blu-ray machine, either an add-on drive for the XBOX 360 (should MS produce one) or a combo unit that plays both (IF a stable, reliable one is made) - or I'll buy a stand-alone blu-ray player, if need be.

I'm not going to be huffing and puffing about the HD DVD format being dropped, or act like a stubborn child and "refuse" to buy a blu-ray player. I am super-glad that we have an HD disc format to enjoy - no matter what the standard! I've read on forums in the past, where people said they weren't going to buy "Star Wars on DVD"... until it was released in a "6-movie boxed set" or on an HD format. Well... you know how long Star Wars has been on DVD now... how many people have died or been killed since Star Wars was released on DVD? No one is going to live forever, and you NEVER know when your number is going to come-up! In this example... if there's a movie you really love and want to see it... don't gripe about it not being released on your preferred format or boxed set (or lack of boxed set)... you get it any way you can and enjoy it.

Who knows... 10 years from now, there might be some 2160p format, and EVERYTHING we are viewing now will be obsolete!

[Post edited by Veteran-Viewer on Feb 23, 2008]

(The key to Sony's success this time around was that its chief executive Howard Stringer,
a former head of the company's North America division, drew on his Hollywood contacts
to drum up support for Blu-ray)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080219/technology/entertainment
_it_electronics_consumer_japan

(The Real Reason Warner Went Blu-ray)

http://gizmodo.com/344680/the-real-reason-warner-went-blu+ray

(Forget about customer satisfaction or superiority of image quality.
The real issue in the war between Blu-ray and HD DVD was about royalties)

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874317-7.html?tag=
nefd.lede

With Blu/hd only being 1% of the market, good luck at defeating DVD when the avg. person with a good up converter cant tell the difference between blu/hd too dvd except the videophiles ?
( and yes i can too )

Sony only won because they were able to monopolize the market, once they got the majority
of the studios it was only time until the retailers fell into place. It was all about the money no one really cared about the consumer or letting them have a choice in the matter ?
But thats right, blu won because of you guys ^o)

Oh ya i have been banned from bluray.com about 6 times now... LOL

[Post edited by motogp34 on Feb 23, 2008]

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Oh ya i have been banned from bluray.com about 6 times now...

Keep up the good work!

But, yes, in the past month or two, we have had to ban more BD trolls than HD DVD trolls. That's just coincidence and lift.

No I am not a troll, for some reason sometimes I can log into my old account then sometimes not. It doesn't make any sense.

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Sony only won because they were able to monopolize the market, once they got the majority
of the studios it was only time until the retailers fell into place.

And what do you think JVC did back in the 80's in order to ensure that VHS would prevail then?

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No I am not a troll

Yeah right robert. Then explain why you were banned here exactly 2,566 times?

REPORT: THOSE WHO STATE THAT THEY'RE LEAVING WILL BE BACK--THEN AGAIN, WE'RE USED TO GETTING LIES FROM BLU-RAY CHODES

Dont let the door hit you in the ass,
CUZ WE DON'T WANT ASS MARKS ON OUR DOOR!