Terminator 2: Ultimate Edition on HD DVD

im buying!

Guys it's $29.95 Euros which equates to $45.58 U.S.! Outta my price range but it would be really nice to have.

29.95 EUR = 45.5824 USD

How many versions of this movie are out there? I'll wait for T2 'The Govenator Edition'

Falcon... even at that price, it's still a decent deal, considering the SAME package (less the newer features) was over $100 when released on LaserDisc back in the 1990s. Lionsgate will probably release a similar Blu-ray set (here in the USA) within the next year, I'd imagine.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

I just picked up the "pressed in France" edition for $50.00

Looks like a great bargain...even if the menus are in German

I've had this preordered for damn near six months. Xploited will also be carrying it, I emailed them about it a while ago and they'll be selling for about 40 dollars american. I preordered from Amazon Germany because I wanted to make sure I got it.

The menus won't be in German they'll be an option for english menus when the disc starts up.

[Post edited by Movielover316 on Feb 28, 2008]

Movielover316... please share a brief T2 REVIEW once you get that deluxe SpEd, as I'm considering buying it myself (collector's item) to replace my deluxe Laserdisc set. The only other T2 edition I own is the last "Ultimate" Director's Cut edition on DVD (with fewer extras, but with great image quality). Who knows how long it will be before this deluxe version gets released on Blu-ray.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

Will do Jimi, as I understand it Kinowelt the company releasing this is format neutral but didn't do a Blu-Ray version because they wanted to have "Dynamic HD" their version of web-enabled features, and they wanted to wait until there were 2.0 profile players on the market. I'll post my official unofficial review once I get it and have a chance to sift through everything.

I already paid $40 for the 2 Disc DVD version about 7 years ago. I'm happy enough with that.

blu version is crap.

looks ands sounds dissapointing. and t3 is still waiting for a re-release.

yuuuuuupeeeeeeeeeee

I've got T1, T2, and T3 on SpEd DVD (including Director's Cut for T2), also T1 on Blu-ray, T3 on HD-DVD, but no T2 yet on either hi-def format... so I'm indeed interested in this German HD-DVD release.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

It would make sense for LionsGate to wait until they can release a full blown special edition on Blu-ray since they already released a bare bone release. Would make them look bad if they release a new version to close to the first one.

I don't think we will see it before 2009. By that time a big enough number of profile 2.0 players will be in the market to make it a bestseller.

Does anyone know who will do the audio commentaries? and isn't audio commentaries a first for the film?

Henning I have T2 Extreme edition DVD and James Cameron does a commentary on that.

You are right. I have the disc myself.

Anyone know what the second audio commentary could be?

Don't get me wrong, for as much as I love T2 (my third favorite movie of all time), yet another version is a big no, regardless of it being on HD and having all these marvelous audio feeds that I can't yet decode...I'll keep my Extreme Edition until in a couple of years (or months?) a new UltraExtremeLiquidMetal-I'll-Be-Back blu-ray Beyond High Definition (false advertisement) hits the shelves....

FYI... (newly reviewed)

> T2: Ultimate Edition HD-DVD Review

-review from the HighDefDigest website. Looks to be of great quality, although being an (German) import, you have to put up with the related German language info, menu, subtitles, etc. Definitely collectible for HD-DVD fans, although those favoring a similar Blu-ray edition might want to wait for the inevitable Lionsgate premium edition (which will definitely be released at some point).

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 25, 2008]

Don't forget who reviewed it first

DVDTOWN.com Review of Terminator 2 - HD DVD - Ultimate Edition

ok. John says it has dts hd ma so for all purposes that answers my question. until then it was sketchy as to whether it was high resolution or master audio. High def digest has it listed as HR not MA but they make a side note that it's MA at the bottom of the audio section that looks like there is a typo either in his description or in the details. even this site has it listed in the details as DTS HD7.1. please confirm which it is and then please change the details of this title if in fact it is MA. that would make me feel so much better.

btw, this question has been all over the place but i have never seen anybody actually answer it.

[Post edited by indian on Mar 25, 2008]

I just played a scene on my XA2 and Onkyo 805 setup.

The Onkyo says the audio is:

DTS-HD Hi-Res Audio

So it is not DTS-HD Master.

[Post edited by Henning on Mar 25, 2008]

Isn't DTS HD still a "lossless" audio format?

DTS-HD Master Audio is capable of delivering audio that is a bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. DTS-HD Master Audio delivers audio at super high variable bit rates -24.5 mega-bits per second (Mbps) on Blu-ray discs and 18.0 Mbps on HD-DVD - that are significantly higher than standard DVDs . This bit stream is so "fast" and the transfer rate is so "high" that it can deliver the Holy Grail of audio: 7.1 audio channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depths that are identical to the original. With DTS-HD Master Audio, you will be able to experience movies and music, exactly as the artist intended: clear, pure, and uncompromised.

DTS-HD High Resolution Audio can deliver up to 7.1 channels of sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the original. DTS-HD High Resolution Audio delivers audio at high constant bit rates superior to standard DVDs---6.0 Mbps on Blu-ray discs and 3.0 Mbps on HD-DVD to produce outstanding sound quality. It is capable of delivering up to 7.1 channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depth resolution. It allows content creators to deliver rich, high definition audio on movies where disc space may not allow for DTS-HD Master Audio.

Sorry about that. At the time of the review, I was comparing the French HD DVD, which has DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1, to the German edition, which has DTS-HD 7.1, and somehow I kept reading the front of my Onkyo receiver as Master Audio in both cases. Thanks for noting the error.

John

[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Mar 25, 2008]

Wow thanks for that info Henning.

Dolby TrueHD is like DTS HD or DTS HD MA? Ah I'll search it on the net...

Dolby TrueHD
Dolby® TrueHD is Dolby’s next-generation lossless technology developed for high-definition disc-based media. Dolby TrueHD delivers tantalizing sound that is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master, unlocking the true high-definition entertainment experience on next-generation discs. When coupled with high-definition video, Dolby TrueHD offers an unprecedented home theater experience that lets you enjoy sound as stunning as the high-definition picture.

Features
100 percent lossless coding technology.
Up to 18 Mbps bit rate.
Supports up to eight full-range channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio.*
Supported by High-Definition Media Interface (HDMI™), the new single-cable digital connection for audio and video.
Supports extensive metadata including dialogue normalization and dynamic range control.
*Dolby TrueHD can support more than eight audio channels. HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc standards currently limit their maximum number of audio channels to eight.

Benefits
Delivers enthralling studio-master-quality sound that unlocks the true high-definition entertainment experience on next-generation discs.
Offers more discrete channels than ever before for impeccable surround sound.
Compatible with the A/V receivers and home-theaters-in-a-box (HTIBs) of today and tomorrow.
Dialogue normalization maintains the same volume level when you change to other Dolby Digital and Dolby TrueHD programming.
Dynamic range control (Night mode) enables you to customize audio playback to reduce peak volume levels (no loud surprises) while experiencing all the details in the soundtrack, enabling late-night viewing of high-energy surround sound without disturbing others.
Selected as the mandatory format for HD DVD and as an optional format for Blu-ray Disc.

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD.html

So I guess DTS HD MA is the best audio track available. One question though, how can you have "100 percent lossless coding technology" with Dolby TrueHD at 18 Mbps when DTS HD MA does it at 24 Mbps?

It's either "lossless" at 18 Mbps or not. Why would you need to go up to 24 Mbps I guess is my question.

[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 25, 2008]

Well, Dolby TrueHD comes closer to DTS-HD Master Audio.

It has:
100 percent lossless coding technology.
Up to 18 Mbps bit rate.
Supports up to eight full-range channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio.

Dolby Page

Many good discussions of the subject at AVS:

Here's a new one just today:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1011612

And an older, longer one:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1006543

The subject is actually more complicated than it appears, esp. the supposed "advantages" of bit rates and such, and even audio engineers are hard pressed to keep up with industry hype about what is "good" and what is "best." So, what flavor will it be: HD DVD's old Dolby Digital Plus at 1.5 mbps or Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD or DTS-HD Master Audio or Linear PCM, and at what bit rates and at how many channels do noticeable sonic differences stop?

I'm sorry. My head hurts.

John

John I feel the same way. Now if WE feel this way, imagine how consumers feel that are not into specs as much as we are.

I guess at the end of the day it all comes down to what your ears appreciate the most. Lately I've realized "specs" don't mean as much as I thought.

EDIT: Spelling.

[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 25, 2008]

At the end of the day Falcon, I think most consumers who aren't into specs like we are will be happy with the small improvement in sound they get over Optical with their Blu-Ray discs. Even though it can't carry a full lossless track, most people don't have the equipment or just don't know what is necessary in a receiver for full HD audio.

Hey Henning and John...

Sorry, I had not noticed the DVDTOWN review of this new edition, or I would have linked to it instead. I primarily check the "news" page daily, and since it was not linked there I failed to spot it elsewhere ("movie reviews" probably).

After reading John's review, oh yes, it's much superior to the one I linked too on HDD's site, which I linked because I thought it was the first out with a review (and figured somebody should link it). Again, the DVDTOWN review by John is definitely the best review.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

Quote:
At the end of the day Falcon, I think most consumers who aren't into specs like we are will be happy with the small improvement in sound they get over Optical with their Blu-Ray discs. Even though it can't carry a full lossless track, most people don't have the equipment or just don't know what is necessary in a receiver for full HD audio.

Good point and true.

[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 25, 2008]