Re: Terminator 2: Ultimate Edition on HD DVD
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
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DTS-HD Master Audio is capable of delivering audio that is a bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. DTS-HD Master Audio delivers audio at super high variable bit rates -24.5 mega-bits per second (Mbps) on Blu-ray discs and 18.0 Mbps on HD-DVD - that are significantly higher than standard DVDs . This bit stream is so "fast" and the transfer rate is so "high" that it can deliver the Holy Grail of audio: 7.1 audio channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depths that are identical to the original. With DTS-HD Master Audio, you will be able to experience movies and music, exactly as the artist intended: clear, pure, and uncompromised.
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio can deliver up to 7.1 channels of sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the original. DTS-HD High Resolution Audio delivers audio at high constant bit rates superior to standard DVDs---6.0 Mbps on Blu-ray discs and 3.0 Mbps on HD-DVD to produce outstanding sound quality. It is capable of delivering up to 7.1 channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depth resolution. It allows content creators to deliver rich, high definition audio on movies where disc space may not allow for DTS-HD Master Audio.
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio can deliver up to 7.1 channels of sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the original. DTS-HD High Resolution Audio delivers audio at high constant bit rates superior to standard DVDs---6.0 Mbps on Blu-ray discs and 3.0 Mbps on HD-DVD to produce outstanding sound quality. It is capable of delivering up to 7.1 channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depth resolution. It allows content creators to deliver rich, high definition audio on movies where disc space may not allow for DTS-HD Master Audio.
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
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March 2002
Sorry about that. At the time of the review, I was comparing the French HD DVD, which has DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1, to the German edition, which has DTS-HD 7.1, and somehow I kept reading the front of my Onkyo receiver as Master Audio in both cases. Thanks for noting the error.
John
[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Mar 25, 2008]
John
[Post edited by John J. Puccio on Mar 25, 2008]
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
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Wow thanks for that info Henning.
Dolby TrueHD is like DTS HD or DTS HD MA? Ah I'll search it on the net...
Dolby TrueHD
Dolby® TrueHD is Dolby’s next-generation lossless technology developed for high-definition disc-based media. Dolby TrueHD delivers tantalizing sound that is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master, unlocking the true high-definition entertainment experience on next-generation discs. When coupled with high-definition video, Dolby TrueHD offers an unprecedented home theater experience that lets you enjoy sound as stunning as the high-definition picture.
Features
100 percent lossless coding technology.
Up to 18 Mbps bit rate.
Supports up to eight full-range channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio.*
Supported by High-Definition Media Interface (HDMI™), the new single-cable digital connection for audio and video.
Supports extensive metadata including dialogue normalization and dynamic range control.
*Dolby TrueHD can support more than eight audio channels. HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc standards currently limit their maximum number of audio channels to eight.
Benefits
Delivers enthralling studio-master-quality sound that unlocks the true high-definition entertainment experience on next-generation discs.
Offers more discrete channels than ever before for impeccable surround sound.
Compatible with the A/V receivers and home-theaters-in-a-box (HTIBs) of today and tomorrow.
Dialogue normalization maintains the same volume level when you change to other Dolby Digital and Dolby TrueHD programming.
Dynamic range control (Night mode) enables you to customize audio playback to reduce peak volume levels (no loud surprises) while experiencing all the details in the soundtrack, enabling late-night viewing of high-energy surround sound without disturbing others.
Selected as the mandatory format for HD DVD and as an optional format for Blu-ray Disc.
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD.html
So I guess DTS HD MA is the best audio track available. One question though, how can you have "100 percent lossless coding technology" with Dolby TrueHD at 18 Mbps when DTS HD MA does it at 24 Mbps?
It's either "lossless" at 18 Mbps or not. Why would you need to go up to 24 Mbps I guess is my question.
[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 25, 2008]
Dolby TrueHD is like DTS HD or DTS HD MA? Ah I'll search it on the net...
Dolby TrueHD
Dolby® TrueHD is Dolby’s next-generation lossless technology developed for high-definition disc-based media. Dolby TrueHD delivers tantalizing sound that is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master, unlocking the true high-definition entertainment experience on next-generation discs. When coupled with high-definition video, Dolby TrueHD offers an unprecedented home theater experience that lets you enjoy sound as stunning as the high-definition picture.
Features
100 percent lossless coding technology.
Up to 18 Mbps bit rate.
Supports up to eight full-range channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio.*
Supported by High-Definition Media Interface (HDMI™), the new single-cable digital connection for audio and video.
Supports extensive metadata including dialogue normalization and dynamic range control.
*Dolby TrueHD can support more than eight audio channels. HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc standards currently limit their maximum number of audio channels to eight.
Benefits
Delivers enthralling studio-master-quality sound that unlocks the true high-definition entertainment experience on next-generation discs.
Offers more discrete channels than ever before for impeccable surround sound.
Compatible with the A/V receivers and home-theaters-in-a-box (HTIBs) of today and tomorrow.
Dialogue normalization maintains the same volume level when you change to other Dolby Digital and Dolby TrueHD programming.
Dynamic range control (Night mode) enables you to customize audio playback to reduce peak volume levels (no loud surprises) while experiencing all the details in the soundtrack, enabling late-night viewing of high-energy surround sound without disturbing others.
Selected as the mandatory format for HD DVD and as an optional format for Blu-ray Disc.
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD.html
So I guess DTS HD MA is the best audio track available. One question though, how can you have "100 percent lossless coding technology" with Dolby TrueHD at 18 Mbps when DTS HD MA does it at 24 Mbps?
It's either "lossless" at 18 Mbps or not. Why would you need to go up to 24 Mbps I guess is my question.
[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 25, 2008]
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Member since:
February 2002
February 2002
Well, Dolby TrueHD comes closer to DTS-HD Master Audio.
It has:
100 percent lossless coding technology.
Up to 18 Mbps bit rate.
Supports up to eight full-range channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio.
Dolby Page
It has:
100 percent lossless coding technology.
Up to 18 Mbps bit rate.
Supports up to eight full-range channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio.
Dolby Page
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Member since:
March 2002
March 2002
Many good discussions of the subject at AVS:
Here's a new one just today:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1011612
And an older, longer one:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1006543
The subject is actually more complicated than it appears, esp. the supposed "advantages" of bit rates and such, and even audio engineers are hard pressed to keep up with industry hype about what is "good" and what is "best." So, what flavor will it be: HD DVD's old Dolby Digital Plus at 1.5 mbps or Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD or DTS-HD Master Audio or Linear PCM, and at what bit rates and at how many channels do noticeable sonic differences stop?
I'm sorry. My head hurts.
John
Here's a new one just today:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1011612
And an older, longer one:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1006543
The subject is actually more complicated than it appears, esp. the supposed "advantages" of bit rates and such, and even audio engineers are hard pressed to keep up with industry hype about what is "good" and what is "best." So, what flavor will it be: HD DVD's old Dolby Digital Plus at 1.5 mbps or Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD or DTS-HD Master Audio or Linear PCM, and at what bit rates and at how many channels do noticeable sonic differences stop?
I'm sorry. My head hurts.
John
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Member since:
July 2006
July 2006
John I feel the same way. Now if WE feel this way, imagine how consumers feel that are not into specs as much as we are.
I guess at the end of the day it all comes down to what your ears appreciate the most. Lately I've realized "specs" don't mean as much as I thought.
EDIT: Spelling.
[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 25, 2008]
I guess at the end of the day it all comes down to what your ears appreciate the most. Lately I've realized "specs" don't mean as much as I thought.
EDIT: Spelling.
[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 25, 2008]
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
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September 2006
September 2006
At the end of the day Falcon, I think most consumers who aren't into specs like we are will be happy with the small improvement in sound they get over Optical with their Blu-Ray discs. Even though it can't carry a full lossless track, most people don't have the equipment or just don't know what is necessary in a receiver for full HD audio.
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Member since:
June 2006
June 2006
Hey Henning and John...
Sorry, I had not noticed the DVDTOWN review of this new edition, or I would have linked to it instead. I primarily check the "news" page daily, and since it was not linked there I failed to spot it elsewhere ("movie reviews" probably).
After reading John's review, oh yes, it's much superior to the one I linked too on HDD's site, which I linked because I thought it was the first out with a review (and figured somebody should link it). Again, the DVDTOWN review by John is definitely the best review.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
Sorry, I had not noticed the DVDTOWN review of this new edition, or I would have linked to it instead. I primarily check the "news" page daily, and since it was not linked there I failed to spot it elsewhere ("movie reviews" probably).
After reading John's review, oh yes, it's much superior to the one I linked too on HDD's site, which I linked because I thought it was the first out with a review (and figured somebody should link it). Again, the DVDTOWN review by John is definitely the best review.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Member since:
July 2006
July 2006
Quote:
At the end of the day Falcon, I think most consumers who aren't into specs like we are will be happy with the small improvement in sound they get over Optical with their Blu-Ray discs. Even though it can't carry a full lossless track, most people don't have the equipment or just don't know what is necessary in a receiver for full HD audio.
Good point and true.
[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 25, 2008]
