Re: Dead format outsells Blu-Ray!!

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Exactly...long live HD DVD!

You are starting to sound like me. he he But really now, I conquer with you guys, where did the blur-people get the idea that HD-DVD owners/supporters were going to get rid of our equipment and movies? As a matter of fact, I just finished making a list of HD-DVD movies I want to buy before HD-DVD fully dissapears. Is about 70 movies long.

To the HD-DVD only fanclub - here's the LINK to the recent sales charts (2) and related info - all Blu-ray except for the AG HD-DVD (and the DVD version, of course, was better-selling).

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

spoonard said -

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"...and that the [HD] market needs more than a single format to continue to thrive."

Well, this thinking is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of how the studios feel! Their marketing data reveals otherwise - that MANY and/or MOST people will not adopt into a hi-def disc format unless and until there is only ONE format on the market, and supported by all the studios.

To date, Blu-ray has been the primary leader in hi-def disc media, both in software sales, studio support, and manufacture/infrastructure support (the industry).

HD-DVD was a distant second, leading only in actual stand-alone player sales (but Blu-ray gaining here), and perhaps the "attach rate" (disc sales per owner) according to some reports. But it wasn't enough of a market for the studios to keep supporting HD-DVD, especially since the 2-format 'division' (war) was the biggest reason for the slow adoption overall, compared to SD-DVD.

Now with the one single major format to support, hopefully the adoption into hi-def discs will accelerate, and become a success, which is what the studios are "banking" on.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

Dead Format costs 10$ a movie!
someone at the studios needs to hire spoonard!

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MANY and/or MOST people will not adopt into a hi-def disc format unless and until there is only ONE format on the market, and supported by all the studios.

Here is why that is utter corporate bullshit that you have bought into:

Ford / Chevy
Coke / Pepsi
UPS / FedEx
intel / AMD
Microsoft / Apple

Did nobody drink cola's until there was ONLY Coke or Pepsi? Howabout computers? Did anyone buy a computer until Microsoft or Apple were 100% dominant? What you said is regurgitated marketing BULLSHIT. Don't let corporate marketers think for you. Take an honest look at the scenario and really think about it and decide for yourself. You can ignore decades of proven economics and believe what Sony tells you (or what they pay thers to tell you) or you can think for yourself and truley make your own decisions. Always remember, they are ALWAYS trying to sell you something and if you son't stop to take a look around once in a while, you're gonna have a bunch of shit that you really didn't want in the first place.

I agree with you spoonard. I have tried to make this arguement before. I used the examples like:

Circuit City -- Best Buy
Wal Mart -- Target
McDonalds -- Burger King

If studios wouldn't have taken sides and stayed neutral then I don't think there would be any "war" at all. People could have chosen what they wanted and everyone would be happy.

You guys are clearly missing the point.

McDonalds has a menu - it DOESN'T produce food for Burger King, etc. Can you go to a McDonalds and buy a whopper?

Coke has it's beverages - it DOESN'T produce drinks for Pepsi, etc. Can you go to a Coke machine and buy a Pepsi?

...etc...etc

But yet you guys want ALL the studios to produce products for any and ALL hi-def disc formats - and the studios KNOW that this hurts their 'market', since CONSUMERS only want to use ONE hi-def format - like you guys being HD-DVD 'only'. Well, HD-DVD lost the format war, and the studios will support the one major disc format (winner) - Blu-ray.

Because their were two formats, most people have been 'fence-sitters' REFUSING to adopt into either, and the studios marketing data revealed this FACT.

Again, try looking at any of those companies you mentioned above. None have to expense for the other's products, like you want the studios to do with DUAL HI-DEF DISC FORMATS.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

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like you guys being HD-DVD 'only'

This doesn't matter. I am not "fanning" either format. No one here knows me or what I have in my house, so it doesn't matter. I know that

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Well, HD-DVD lost the format war, and the studios will support the one major disc format (winner) - Blu-ray.

. I spent 20 years defending freedom of choice and something as stupid as this "format war" just chaps my arse. I am a big movie lover and its the only way I get to unwind...that's all.

Oh well, life does truely go on. Any day above ground is a good day.

No, Hendrix - I believe you're missing the point. The problem with 2 formats, that caused people to be reluctant to buy into either, has everything to do with the fact that only certain titles were available on each format. Had all studios been format neutral, everthing would have been fine. If we take any of the examples quoted of two businesses/products co-existing (for example FedEx and UPS), both are able to offer all of the same services. Because Sony owns a movie studio, and because studios were paid by both sides to be format exclusive, titles were not all available on both formats, and therefore there was reluctance. If all studios released on both formats, there would be no problem, but neither side was willing to try and work alongside the other, and therefore the customer loses. If you really think that, if all movies were on both formats, people wouldn't be able to figure this confusing "HD DVD plays in and HD DVD player and Blu plays in a Blu player." thing, then you are really not giving people much credit. Aside from senior citizens and the mentally challenged, I don't think it would have been too confusing.

no interplanetary (spacecadet?) ur wrong. Producing for both formats has double the costs. Supplying double the rows of movies in stores allows for only half the movie selection to be shown. Costs more in distribution charges since you have to reserve double the amount of space. Shipping costs are double. You can't get bribes from companies... so on and so forth. This is why, one format came out on top. and why you are in a forum berating details you know nothing about.

secondly all the company wars you guys are mentioning offer their own product, not someone else's like the studios within the hddvd war. lets look at better examples, vhs vs beta (different tapes), DVD vs video, video game console wars. so on and so forth. If you go to wendy's you buy a wendys product, if you go to best buy, you patronize it for the good prices, it does not increase the amount of products you can buy there or limit other stores supply. Buying many coke products will not result in pepsi products going to coke. Ups will still offer the same services as fedex regardless of who you choose.
AMD/Intel is really the only good matchup you posted. Since prices are incredibly different most of the time, require different hardware (mobos! which is why most mobo companies have both format models, but lean more towards one or the other) When a lot of people buy intel, it hurts amd, usually because the product is better for either side. You guys are using examples of preference. Thus relating apples to oranges to support your stupid whining argument.

[Post edited by theprof00 on Mar 1, 2008]