Re: Dead format outsells Blu-Ray!!

So no link huh?

Ok fine you don't have a link. Do you at least have a link that states the full video/audio bandwidth was used on a bluray movie and that people noticed a difference?

Last time I checked 2001: A Space Odyssey received an award for best video tranfer so if there's a bluray movie out there that looks noticeably better please let me know which one it is.

I agree with you that bluray technically has higher bandwidth for video and audio but if nobody can see a difference what's the point? Bluray has been out since 2006 and you mean to tell me that not one single movie has taken advantage of this potential? Why? Because the studios are trying to save money? Come on.

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Higher audio bandwidth for one has allowed Blu-ray to place 5.1 tracks in a dozen languages on disk in addition to the English lossless. Higher bandwidth would have allowed HD DVD to put a lossless audio track on Transformers without compromising PQ. Higher bandwidth would have allowed HD DVD to include PiP streams in HD rather than standard. We could go on and on with the advantages of higher bandwidth.

Skyhawk, how many bluray movies have a dozen 5.1 audio tracks? Get real. Also all those things you mentioned are not a limitation of HD DVD's bandwidth, it's more a limitation of disk capacity at the moment (51GB HD DVD disks were approved not too long ago as you know). How much do you expect them to put in one HD DVD disk? They have PIP, bonus features, web features, the movie is still in 1080P/24 and Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD, or Dolby Digital plus audio tracks. I still don't see how this proves that a bluray movie with the same audio and video tracks look (or sound) better than on HD DVD.

[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 2, 2008]

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http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1022/closeencounters.html

Here's a link selected at random. Note the audio options. Are you saying that these codecs and languages could have been supported with the limited audio bandwidth of HD DVD? Even Latinos get their own TrueHD track! And the Québécois too! And English speakers get to choose between TrueHD and DTS HD Master audio. I bet this makes a lot of people happy.

BTW, anyone remember which Blu-ray title had over a dozen 5.1 tracks in various languages? We talked about it here before, and I had said my wife was pissed off because there was no Tagalog...

Anyway, one shouldn't require a "link" to know that more bandwidth is advantageous in just about every application imaginable.

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Also all those things you mentioned are not a limitation of HD DVD's bandwidth, it's more a limitation of disk capacity at the moment

Which is one if the things we've been going back and forth about, duh. Also, your dreamy little 51GB disc would not have played in any of the currently available HD DVD players on the market, making them somewhat obsolete.

[Post edited by gvortex7 on Mar 2, 2008]

Well...I have to say that this has been a very interesting thread. Major Tom, posted an almost full page post and I could'nt belive that I sat and read the whole thing (I don't normally read long post, because they mostly contain rants). I must say that I agree with gvortex, Major Tom's points were dead on.

[Post edited by tony1569 on Mar 2, 2008]

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Skyhawk, how many bluray movies have a dozen 5.1 audio tracks? Get real. Also all those things you mentioned are not a limitation of HD DVD's bandwidth

I'm afraid you don't understand the basics of how optical disks are read. It's ALL ABOUT BANDWIDTH, since the laser cannot "select" what language to read. Every language and PiP is included in the total bandwidth available, whether you choose to decode it or not. In other words, if you had a primary movie encoded at 20Kbps and a PiP feature encoded at 20Kbp, you would require 40Kbps to read the stream whether you had PiP turned on or not.

And yes, of course space counts as well since anything additional also adds to space consumed on the disk.

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BTW, anyone remember which Blu-ray title had over a dozen 5.1 tracks in various languages? We talked about it here before, and I had said my wife was pissed off because there was no Tagalog...

I know for a fact that a few of Sony's releases last year had between 6-12 audio tracks available, such as: Replacement Killers, Few Good Men, Hellboy, Dracula. Shit, I should know. Some of them even contained DD5.1 tracks in my mother tongue, Hungarian. Now that impressed me.

[Post edited by gvortex7 on Mar 2, 2008]

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There is a compressed feel to the film's dynamic range that, while not crippling, is definitely noticeable. There's never that truly expansive feel to the mix you get with a modern soundtrack. Dialogue sounds constrained, and if still understandable, it's never as distinct in the mix as I would have liked. Likewise, Williams' score is nicely spread out in the soundfield, but never quite soars in terms of fidelity. Surrounds are generally active, though again that's only usually when a UFO appears. Sounds in the rears are usually pretty easy to localize, so there is never that seamless "wall of sound" that you usually get with the best high-res audio presentations.

I don't know where you're going with this Skyhawk but that doesn't sound like an endorsement to me. Now are you saying that HD DVD cannot put a French audio track or any other language on it's disks? Have you see any of the European import HD DVD's? The only reason they would not be able to put an audio track is because of space limitations, not bandwidth.

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I don't know where you're going with this Skyhawk but that doesn't sound like an endorsement to me. Now are you saying that HD DVD cannot put a French audio track or any other language on it's disks? Have you see any of the European import HD DVD's? The only reason they would not be able to put an audio track is because of space limitations, not bandwidth.

For Christ' sake Falcon, what have we been talking about here for the last page or so? Let me refresh your memory bud:
1. HD DVD's bandwidth limitation
2. HD DVD's lower disc capacity

I hope this helps!

[Post edited by gvortex7 on Mar 2, 2008]

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The only reason they would not be able to put an audio track is because of space limitations, not bandwidth.

Wow, what spin to say Blu-ray's higher bandwidth capability doesn't offer the advantage to allow many more additional LOSSLESS tracks than HD DVD because the fidelity of an old movie isn't up to the best audio presentations of new titles. Even that's a new low for you!

And it's not just space. Bandwidth prevents HD DVD from offering the same even for a 5 minute short! I tried to explain it to you, but you really still don't understand? I think you're just playing dumb for some reason. And I suspect that reason has something to do with your weird format frenzy fanboy agenda.

How can anyone in their right mind not accept that both higher bandwidth and capacity are technical advantages in this application? To argue otherwise is embarrassing.

[Post edited by Skyhawk on Mar 2, 2008]