Re: Dead format outsells Blu-Ray!!

Skyhawk you know as well as I do that movies released in Canada have at least an English and French audio track and they usually have Spanish as well. If they have more space on the disk I'm sure they could put whatever else you wanted. I don't see how bandwidth has anything to do with this.

Regarding the soundtrack mix quality for 'Close Encounters' [quoted by Falcon] - this is not due to anything Blu-ray, but was representative of how the original film's soundtrack quality exists. I've owned this movie for a loooong time - FF LaserDisc, Widescreen Criterion LaserDisc [both in 2.0 Dolby Surround Stereo], and the Columbia/Tri-Star Director's Cut LaserDisc [w/DD 5.1], before acquiring a $5 DVD of the "Special Edition", and now also the deluxe Blu-ray [$28 on sale].

The CE soundtrack has always sounded a little 'thin' (especially the added music), although the vocals sound pretty good. Dynamic range is nowhere like the movies of today, nor even close to an amazing movie released shortly after CE - Apocalypse Now (which in my opinion, is arguably one of the greatest sounding movies ever produced - EVER!)

I don't know why CE has less 'dynamics' than others, but perhaps the sound design crew was just not as top-notched as others of the day. I mean, even THE GODFATHER movies from years earlier (w/either the original mono, or remixed 5.1 soundtrack) easily have superior audio fidelity than CE.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 2, 2008]

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Skyhawk you know as well as I do that movies released in Canada have at least an English and French audio track and they usually have Spanish as well.

No HD DVD can offer two lossless options for English along with lossless codecs for both French and Spanish at the same time. It's just physically impossible given the bandwidth limitations of HD DVD. Just like no HD DVD could offer a PiP secondary video stream in anything greater than low bit rate standard resolution.

There is a significant difference between 48Mbps and 30Mbps. That difference is a technical advantage for Blu-ray, and will allow authoring to include HD resolution PiP features as well as the additional lossless tracks that they've already been doing.

Also, I believe Skyhawk (or others) have mentioned that Blu-ray tech experts are actively working on ADDITIONAL LAYERS for the format. While this might require a future compatible player (for accessing), it's wonderful to think of the many ways how that extra space can be utilized even beyond the impressive specs we've seen to date with the format. Perhaps "beyond high definition" will have a truer and BROADER meaning with the future arrival of 4-layer (or even 8-layer?) Blu-ray discs!

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

Not to beat a dead horse here but here's a look at the upcoming Terminator 2: Ultimate Edition on HD DVD...

Extras:

Director's cut
Interactive ceatures: picture- in-picture (storyboards and script can be viewed together with the movie)
Personal bookmarks and photo galleries
Quiz mode (more than 70 questions about the movie!)
Spy mode (all film mistakes in detail)
Inside T2 mode
Integrated dynamicHD online functionality (more features accessible online)
Making ofs
Two audio commentaries
Omitted scenes
Detailed background information
Trailers
Hidden features

Specifications:

Format: Dual Layer HD DVD
Region code: free
Duration:
Video: 2,35:1 1080/24p full HD
Audio: English, German (7.1 DTS HD, headphone-surround)
Subtitles: German, Turkish

On amazon.de they state this...

Format: Anamorph, Ultimate Edition, Widescreen
Sprache: Deutsch (DTS 5.1), Englisch (DTS 5.1)

How much stuff do you guys want on these disks??

I still stand by my argument that I have not once seen a bluray movie look better or sound better than the HD DVD version of the same movie. I have looked for reviews stating that with the higher bandwidth for video or sound it looked or sounded better, I have not found one. If you guys know of a bluray movie that is noticeably better in picture or sound than the HD DVD version I would love to see it.

Anyway I'm off to see The Matrix in HD DVD. Have a good night fellas.

Falcon asked -

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"How much stuff do you guys want on these disks??"

OK... how about 'seamless branching' between the Director's Cut and the Theatrical Cut? (IF they could have included it)

See, because of Blu-ray's higher space availability, the above is possible, with TWO 1080p/24 encodes on a 50GB disc, as seen in the Blu-ray release last year of the classic 20 Million Miles to Earth, which featured full-length remastered versions of the original B/W edition, and a new/improved 'colorized' version, along with much BONUS material - probably would have required a 2-sided HD-DVD to include all of the content as seen on the 50GB single-sided Blu-ray disc... as is the case with the HD-DVD version of Warner's God and Generals (2-sided, dual-layer HD-DVD), compared to the same on Blu-ray (1-side, dual-layer), including the special edition extras.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

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I still stand by my argument that I have not once seen a bluray movie look better or sound better than the HD DVD version of the same movie.

Of course you haven't. There hasn't been one dual format movie released that's better on Blu-ray then HD because they all had to be released with lower audio/video bitrates so they could fit on dual layer HD DVD discs. I swear you have the IQ of a 5 year old.

Then again gvortex7, another factor might be because Falcon01 has never actually seen a Blu-ray movie (let alone a hundred of them) as he is an HD DVD exclusive fanboy and doesn't own a Blu-ray playback device.

But he will eventually! That's a given

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But he will eventually! That's a given

Oh yeah. What a culture shock that will be.

There has never been nor will there ever be a movie on both formats that let's one out do the other. Even if the war never ended it still would'nt have happened. Warner was using the same encode for Blu ray and HDDVD as stated earlier, however what I do want to know was 300 the HDDVD version, did it have both PCM and DolbyTrueHD codecs on them like the Blu ray version?

[Post edited by tony1569 on Mar 2, 2008]