Re: Individual Indiana Jones Special Editions on DVD
Saturday, March 8, 2008
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Hey gvortex... they've always looked fine to me (I have only the Widescreen LaserDiscs in my collection), but I remember some viewers gave complaints when the set hit DVD, but don't remember anything specific.
Until Dec 2005, my TV was a non-HD 27" Sony Wega CRT [flat screen], so the LaserDisc was fine enough. Since then I've own both a 32" Sharp LCD HDTV, and now (since 12/07) a 50" Pioneer KURO plasma HDTV - but have never rented the INDY movies on DVD, so I've personally never seen the movies on DVD yet!
But I'm going to buy the 'RAIDERS' when the new DVD edition arrives, and then buy the whole set of 4 (for sure) once the Blu-ray editions are released.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 8, 2008]
Until Dec 2005, my TV was a non-HD 27" Sony Wega CRT [flat screen], so the LaserDisc was fine enough. Since then I've own both a 32" Sharp LCD HDTV, and now (since 12/07) a 50" Pioneer KURO plasma HDTV - but have never rented the INDY movies on DVD, so I've personally never seen the movies on DVD yet!
But I'm going to buy the 'RAIDERS' when the new DVD edition arrives, and then buy the whole set of 4 (for sure) once the Blu-ray editions are released.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 8, 2008]
Saturday, March 8, 2008
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I figured you'd have that 2003 Indy boxset LH. If I were you I wouldn't waste money on the upcoming DVD re-release. I can almost guarantee you that you'll see them on Blu-ray when part 4 is released on home video around Christmas.
Sunday, March 9, 2008
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IF any of you expects these new editions to contain a new restored and/or remastered transfers of the movies, the answer is NO. From the press release at the official site, indicates that these new individual editions will contain the same audio and video transfers of the movies already included in the past 2003 Trilogy DVD box set.
That leaves us with the "All-new bonus content" but from what i read from the press release, it doesn't offer anything appealing or exclusive, that hasn't been addressed on the past 2003 DVD boxset, unless you think that introductions and interviews with George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and the cast and crew of Indy 4 talking about the previous films, even image galleries and storyboards are worth your money.
The bonus content in the previous Trilogy DVD boxset, has behind the scenes and interviews of the cast and crew from the movies, trailers, outtakes, screen tests, production drawings and photographs, also featurettes about the stunts, sound, music and special effects in the movies... therefore there's nothing new and exclusive on these new individual releases, that the previous Trilogy DVD boxset didn't cover superbly... even the covers look better on the 2003 Trilogy DVD boxset, and matches the design of the Adventures of Young Indiana Jones DVD boxsets.
Honestly i expected something like this from George Lucas, the precursor of movie marketing, of making a profit from rereleasing the same movies over and over again, and responsable of Hollywood's greed, as movie studios have followed his example, but i can't believe that Steven Spielberg agreed to do this, finally we're to blame as we continue to double dip for the same movies we already own, just for the sake of getting petty cash for our money.
[Post edited by genbar dardren on Mar 9, 2008]
That leaves us with the "All-new bonus content" but from what i read from the press release, it doesn't offer anything appealing or exclusive, that hasn't been addressed on the past 2003 DVD boxset, unless you think that introductions and interviews with George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and the cast and crew of Indy 4 talking about the previous films, even image galleries and storyboards are worth your money.
The bonus content in the previous Trilogy DVD boxset, has behind the scenes and interviews of the cast and crew from the movies, trailers, outtakes, screen tests, production drawings and photographs, also featurettes about the stunts, sound, music and special effects in the movies... therefore there's nothing new and exclusive on these new individual releases, that the previous Trilogy DVD boxset didn't cover superbly... even the covers look better on the 2003 Trilogy DVD boxset, and matches the design of the Adventures of Young Indiana Jones DVD boxsets.
Honestly i expected something like this from George Lucas, the precursor of movie marketing, of making a profit from rereleasing the same movies over and over again, and responsable of Hollywood's greed, as movie studios have followed his example, but i can't believe that Steven Spielberg agreed to do this, finally we're to blame as we continue to double dip for the same movies we already own, just for the sake of getting petty cash for our money.
[Post edited by genbar dardren on Mar 9, 2008]
Sunday, March 9, 2008
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"...we're to blame as we continue to double dip for the same movies we already own, just for the sake of getting petty cash for our money." --genbar
Well, there is a simple solution to this non-problem: Don't buy them if you already own them. Of course, Paramount would love for people to double dip, but these new releases are aimed primarily at people who haven't already bought them and who may be reminded to buy them because of the publicity surrounding the new Indy movie coming out.
No one's forcing anyone to buy anything over again. Now, when the movies arrive in high-def, that's another story. Many of us will want to own them on Blu-ray HD. But for now, reissuing movies (like music studios reissuing music) is business as usual and makes perfect financial sense.
John
Well, there is a simple solution to this non-problem: Don't buy them if you already own them. Of course, Paramount would love for people to double dip, but these new releases are aimed primarily at people who haven't already bought them and who may be reminded to buy them because of the publicity surrounding the new Indy movie coming out.
No one's forcing anyone to buy anything over again. Now, when the movies arrive in high-def, that's another story. Many of us will want to own them on Blu-ray HD. But for now, reissuing movies (like music studios reissuing music) is business as usual and makes perfect financial sense.
John
Sunday, March 9, 2008
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I totally agree with you John, the problem is that some people tend to buy the same movies over and over again, just for the sake of owning them... Lucas has released SIXTEEN versions of the Star Wars Original Trilogy (1 on Beta, 1 on CED, 5 on VHS, 5 on LD, 1 on VCD and 3 on DVD) and i'm sure there're fans who own most of them (if not all) when one version on each format should had been enough, and within every new edition it seems that Lucas intencionally always leaves something wrong or unfinished, so that he'll keep releasing new editions for the rest of his life, and therefore fans will continue to buy the same movies, with the premise that the new edition will be the final one, and that everything will look and sound perfect.
Indeed no one's forcing anyone to buy anything over again, but in the case of these new individual Indiana Jones releases, the answer is YOU SHOULDN'T even if you don't already own them. ¿Why should anyone pay US$60 for 3 individual DVD releases when you can buy the Trilogy DVD boxset for US$30? Both editions provide the same audiovisual transfer, and as for bonus content the Trilogy DVD boxset provides better and much more content than the individual releases.
As for when the movies arrive in HD, that's yet to be seen if it's worth spending on them again. I'm sure some look forward for them on Blu-Ray, but the mayority is very pleased with the quality of the transfer in the Trilogy DVD boxset, which is excelent and looks superb upconverted, besides with Super Upconverting DVD players around the corner, you'll watch your already onwed DVD movies even better than you do now and within HD standarts. The bottom line is that if you already own the Trilogy DVD boxset KEEP IT, if you don't have the Trilogy DVD boxset then GET IT while you still can, and as for these new individual releases AVOID THEM.
[Post edited by genbar dardren on Mar 9, 2008]
Indeed no one's forcing anyone to buy anything over again, but in the case of these new individual Indiana Jones releases, the answer is YOU SHOULDN'T even if you don't already own them. ¿Why should anyone pay US$60 for 3 individual DVD releases when you can buy the Trilogy DVD boxset for US$30? Both editions provide the same audiovisual transfer, and as for bonus content the Trilogy DVD boxset provides better and much more content than the individual releases.
As for when the movies arrive in HD, that's yet to be seen if it's worth spending on them again. I'm sure some look forward for them on Blu-Ray, but the mayority is very pleased with the quality of the transfer in the Trilogy DVD boxset, which is excelent and looks superb upconverted, besides with Super Upconverting DVD players around the corner, you'll watch your already onwed DVD movies even better than you do now and within HD standarts. The bottom line is that if you already own the Trilogy DVD boxset KEEP IT, if you don't have the Trilogy DVD boxset then GET IT while you still can, and as for these new individual releases AVOID THEM.
[Post edited by genbar dardren on Mar 9, 2008]
Sunday, March 9, 2008
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genbar dardren... I went to the Paramount website today, and it's states these are "new, remastered" versions -
-RAIDERS-
BONUS INTERVIEWS! Includes interviews with George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford. YEAR: 1936 - AMAZON / TIBET / EGYPT
Chapter 24 in the complete adventures of Indiana Jones has more heroics than you can crack a bullwhip at! The trendsetting movie that put adventure on the map now comes your way in a new, remastered version that enhances the final scenes with dazzling state-of-the-art special effects. Whether you're seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark for the 1st or 101st time, you're in for thrills as Indiana Jones (Harrison Ford) confronts snakes, Nazis and one astonishing cliffhanger after another -- all topped off by the discovery and opening of the mystical Ark of the Covenant. It's one of the great adventures of all time. And now it's even greater.
So... how do -you- know if making the claim that these are the SAME masters from many years ago when the Trilogy was first released? In my opinion, Paramount, like other studios, has stepped up production of newer "HD MASTERING" (see their wonderful HD-DVDs as an example), and that this new 'INDY' set is in that vein - newly remastered from a high-definition source - and hopefully will be a further improvement over the previous DVDs, and come to Blu-ray after the initial DVD promotion is over and done (and with the arrival of the 4th film's home video release later).
So I still believe these are indeed NEW masters, especially since they come from the likes of Spielberg (director) and Lucas (producer). And will probably break all sales records for the Blu-ray format once available!
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 9, 2008]
-RAIDERS-
BONUS INTERVIEWS! Includes interviews with George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford. YEAR: 1936 - AMAZON / TIBET / EGYPT
Chapter 24 in the complete adventures of Indiana Jones has more heroics than you can crack a bullwhip at! The trendsetting movie that put adventure on the map now comes your way in a new, remastered version that enhances the final scenes with dazzling state-of-the-art special effects. Whether you're seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark for the 1st or 101st time, you're in for thrills as Indiana Jones (Harrison Ford) confronts snakes, Nazis and one astonishing cliffhanger after another -- all topped off by the discovery and opening of the mystical Ark of the Covenant. It's one of the great adventures of all time. And now it's even greater.
So... how do -you- know if making the claim that these are the SAME masters from many years ago when the Trilogy was first released? In my opinion, Paramount, like other studios, has stepped up production of newer "HD MASTERING" (see their wonderful HD-DVDs as an example), and that this new 'INDY' set is in that vein - newly remastered from a high-definition source - and hopefully will be a further improvement over the previous DVDs, and come to Blu-ray after the initial DVD promotion is over and done (and with the arrival of the 4th film's home video release later).
So I still believe these are indeed NEW masters, especially since they come from the likes of Spielberg (director) and Lucas (producer). And will probably break all sales records for the Blu-ray format once available!
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 9, 2008]
Sunday, March 9, 2008
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June 2006
gvortex followup comment -
DVDVerdict.com stated 'Raiders' is not of the best quality mastering...
The image quality is not perfect. There is some edge enhancement, but it is neither assertive nor detrimental to the enjoyment of the films. The detail is impressive. There are instances of oversaturated color, most noticeably blues in The Last Crusade and red in The Temple of Doom.
The two biggest flaws in the image (most noticeable in Raiders) are crushed blacks and 3:2 pulldown errors. The crushed blacks render the image too dark, so that you must strain to catch shadow detail. This leads me to question whether Raiders was supposed to be darker than we're accustomed to seeing it. In any case, the over dark scenes are watchable and brief, so this does not negatively affect the experience. Perhaps more distracting are the incorrect flags that lead to 3:2 pulldown errors. Incorrect flags make it seem like the camera is moving in and out of focus, or make people transform from normal to skinny and back. The misflags seem to be worst in the tarantula nest in Raiders, making Alfred Molina oscillate. Every studio is guilty of incorrect flags, and most people will not notice them because new DVD players correct for improper flags. Those such as myself who watch movies via home theater PC will notice many more problems.
Also, many of the 3-star, 2-star, 1-star Amazon reviews gripe about small changes of the film's original content! A scream by Marion (when first seeing the large snake in the Well of Souls) is removed (no sound) as Indy pulls here away - according to one reviewer.
I really hope this release in May will truely be remastered, so as to get the best possible versions.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
Quote:
"you gotta admit that the 2003 high-def remastered Indy set looked pretty darn good. I don't even think it needed to be improved for a Blu-ray release."
DVDVerdict.com stated 'Raiders' is not of the best quality mastering...
The image quality is not perfect. There is some edge enhancement, but it is neither assertive nor detrimental to the enjoyment of the films. The detail is impressive. There are instances of oversaturated color, most noticeably blues in The Last Crusade and red in The Temple of Doom.
The two biggest flaws in the image (most noticeable in Raiders) are crushed blacks and 3:2 pulldown errors. The crushed blacks render the image too dark, so that you must strain to catch shadow detail. This leads me to question whether Raiders was supposed to be darker than we're accustomed to seeing it. In any case, the over dark scenes are watchable and brief, so this does not negatively affect the experience. Perhaps more distracting are the incorrect flags that lead to 3:2 pulldown errors. Incorrect flags make it seem like the camera is moving in and out of focus, or make people transform from normal to skinny and back. The misflags seem to be worst in the tarantula nest in Raiders, making Alfred Molina oscillate. Every studio is guilty of incorrect flags, and most people will not notice them because new DVD players correct for improper flags. Those such as myself who watch movies via home theater PC will notice many more problems.
Also, many of the 3-star, 2-star, 1-star Amazon reviews gripe about small changes of the film's original content! A scream by Marion (when first seeing the large snake in the Well of Souls) is removed (no sound) as Indy pulls here away - according to one reviewer.
I really hope this release in May will truely be remastered, so as to get the best possible versions.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
Sunday, March 9, 2008
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July 2005
July 2005
JIMI, you're posting information from the Paramount site about the VHS release!... remember that many years ago Indiana Jones movies were promoted as Chapters 24-26, when some of the Young Indiana Jones chapters were released on VHS as well. But if you read the press release at the official movie site (even here at DVDTOWN) informs you that the movies included in these new individual releases were originally restored and remastered in 2003, which is the same that the Trilogy DVD boxset already has.
I honestly haven't seen any of the flaws that DVDVerdict.com mentions, then again i wouldn't rely blindly on their reviews, it seems sometimes they just transcript what is written in the back cover of the releases, since in occasions they have claim a movie is widescreen anamorphic when is not, or that it contains a specific language, subtitle or bonus content that actually is not present. Regardless of that, the point is that the new individual DVD releases will contain the same master already offered in the Trilogy DVD boxset.
Again as for when the movies arrive in HD, that's yet to be seen if it's worth spending on them again. I'm sure some look forward for them on Blu-Ray, but the mayority is very pleased with the quality of the transfer in the Trilogy DVD boxset, which is excelent and looks superb upconverted, besides with Super Upconverting DVD players around the corner, you'll watch your already onwed DVD movies even better than you do now and within HD standarts.
[Post edited by genbar dardren on Mar 9, 2008]
I honestly haven't seen any of the flaws that DVDVerdict.com mentions, then again i wouldn't rely blindly on their reviews, it seems sometimes they just transcript what is written in the back cover of the releases, since in occasions they have claim a movie is widescreen anamorphic when is not, or that it contains a specific language, subtitle or bonus content that actually is not present. Regardless of that, the point is that the new individual DVD releases will contain the same master already offered in the Trilogy DVD boxset.
Again as for when the movies arrive in HD, that's yet to be seen if it's worth spending on them again. I'm sure some look forward for them on Blu-Ray, but the mayority is very pleased with the quality of the transfer in the Trilogy DVD boxset, which is excelent and looks superb upconverted, besides with Super Upconverting DVD players around the corner, you'll watch your already onwed DVD movies even better than you do now and within HD standarts.
[Post edited by genbar dardren on Mar 9, 2008]
Sunday, March 9, 2008
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June 2006
genbar... can you provide a link or quote from this press release?
I went to their site again, under "studio" and "2008 press releases" - and there's no announcement about the 'INDY' DVD set for May(?).
If these are NOT going to be a new remaster, I'll pass until they do one for the Blu-ray, as other than 'Raiders' I'm not interested in buying a SD-DVD set, and would want Blu-ray HIGH-DEF, not a 'super-upconversion' Toshiba player later.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
I went to their site again, under "studio" and "2008 press releases" - and there's no announcement about the 'INDY' DVD set for May(?).
If these are NOT going to be a new remaster, I'll pass until they do one for the Blu-ray, as other than 'Raiders' I'm not interested in buying a SD-DVD set, and would want Blu-ray HIGH-DEF, not a 'super-upconversion' Toshiba player later.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
Sunday, March 9, 2008
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June 2006
I just checked the original DVDTOWN link (above) for this set, and the press release has been added below the main site announcement. It if it's the same edition from 2003, I will await a review as to it's quality. I have all 3 movies on Widescreen LaserDisc (425i, not anamorphic), but would rather make the jump to a future Blu-ray set, than get the DVDs (if of the same mastering quality as before). It's a hi-def world now, and I want the best (Blu-ray), rather than an upconverted DVD for a time before the eventual Blu-ray later.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
