Re: Why Toshiba will release a Blu-ray player this year

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I'd like to clarify that I think most people can tell the difference between HD and SD. It's more if it's worth the upgrade to them.

There's that and whether you're unhappy with the current setup you already own.

Why don't Toshiba just use this super upconversion on a dual format player? It woulb be great if this dual format player also had divx support.

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Skyhawk wrote:

Oh bull crap. I don't care if it's the same TV or the neighbors. I'd like a credible reference that shows that the average consumer's visual acuity is so low that they cannot tell NTSC from high definition.

Skyhawk, I'm starting to believe that you are either you are so one-track-minded that you can't see beyond your nose or you don't even know the difference between HD and NTSC.

First of all: I NEVER mentioned NTSC at all, you are the one that keeps on bringing NTSC up.

Second of all: Do you even know what NTSC means? NTSC is not even a video resolution format, NTSC stands for National Television System Committee which is the commttee which adopted the analog television system currently used in North, Central, and part of South America. What you keep on erronously referring to as NTSC is in reality the "analog television signal" which now days it runs at a resolution of 480i/p. As for that, even my 80 year old grandpa can tell the difference between the quality of a analog signal running on a cathode ray tube television set and the quality of a high definition signal running on a liquid crystal display television set (really, he can ).

So since you can't grasp such complicated concept and idea, let me explain it to you one last time. If you were to put a Harry Potter HD-DVD or Blu-ray (your choice) on a Toshiba A-35 HD-DVD or a Samsung BD-P1400 (respectively) on a lets say Sharp Aquos 1080p Liquid Crystal Display television set, and next to it using the same hardware you play a standard definition DVD of the same Harry Potter film running at 1080i because of the upscaling feature which those DVD players offer most of the average consumers WILL NOT be able to tell the difference.

I know some people that just because they have a 50 HDTV they think they have HD signal. I went to an NFL Playoff party and when I asked the host why he didn't put the game on the HD channel he looked at me puzzled and said: "huh? what do you mean? I have a HDTV". So I spend the next 10 minutes explaining to him that he was still viewing an analog signal of the game and just because he had a nice expensive HDTV it didn't mean he automaticaly had HD. Needless to say he was a bit upset with me for bursting his bubble.

So I hope this is easier for you to understand, if you can't still read the fact that I am NOT making a comparison argument between 480i/p and 1080p BUT I AM making a comparison argument between upscaled 1080i and true HD 1080p then you need to make some studying of your own, specially since you keep on confusing the term "upscaled 1080i signal" with "analog 480i/p signal."

"Yeah Skyhawk! Gosh!"

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[Post edited by Tim Raynor on Mar 4, 2008]

LOL Tim, you crack me up! You're picture-posts are the best.

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"upscaled 1080i signal"

FYI: 1080i is an HD format, and is a mechanism to deliver 1080 lines of detail to your display/processor. It has 6 times the resolution of 480i (NTSC) stored on a typical standard DVD.

I hope this helps!

Now what were you saying about people being incapable of telling the difference between non-HD resolution and HD? How did this mysteriously change to people not telling the difference between 1080i and 1080p?

And this little link might help you understand my usage of the term NTSC/PAL in the context used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD#DVD-Video

The amusing part is that you were always arguing that the average consumer couldn't tell the difference in PQ between HD DVD and Blu-ray before the format war was over. Now that is has, the tune is that "the average person can't perceive any difference between standard resolution media (DVD) and high definition. (Blu-ray or HD DVD)". You should alert your cable company right away so they don't wast any more money on those silly HD channels!

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[Post edited by Skyhawk on Mar 5, 2008]

FYI: even though 1080i IS a HD format, viewing an SD-DVD upscaled to 1080i is not true HD (shoot, even 1080i is not TrueHD, if that's the case why DVD makers put a little label on some players stating: "TrueHD 1080p). Why do you think companies emphasize the "upscale" word when advertising viewing an SD-DVD on high definition player.

Viewing a SD-DVD upscaled to 1080i is like scanning a photograph on a PC:

Sure the photograph is now a jpeg file, sure is in the computer, but is not a true/real (whatever word you'd like to use) digital picture. The same with an upscaled SD-DVD, sure it runs at 1080i, sure it looks better than NTSC, but is not a True HD/BD movie.

BTW, where do you think I got my information about NTSC? Perhaps you should read the entire article yourself. Along with the links to 480i, and SDTV.

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You should alert your cable company right away so they don't wast any more money on those silly HD channels!

That's actually a bad argument. A lot of people think they have HD cable when they don't. Many, many people believe that Digital cable=HD. You can't really argue this skyhawk. The fact is the majority of people do NOT understand HD at all. It's a big problem and no one is trying to fix it.

Guys arguing with Skyhawk is futile. This guy spends every waking moment spinning anything he can into an anti HD DVD post. This guy after all claims that a 48KHZ audio signal upconverted to 96KHZ actually sounds worse than a 48KHZ signal. I tried to tell him that's like saying that a DVD upconverted to 1080i/P looks worse that if it was left at 480 lines of resolution. He couldn't get his head around that simple concept.

I'm not trying to start a coup against Skyhawk but I've corrected his anti HD DVD BS many times so take his flamboyant posts with a grain of salt.