Re: Why Toshiba will release a Blu-ray player this year

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I believe he claims as delusional is your persistence in claiming that when I say "upconvert-1080i"

What the hell is "upconvert-1080i"? I don't have a CRT, so our stuff doesn't display interlaced material. Were you talking about standard DVDs compared to HD DVD or were you not? If you were, I guess you never cared what happened to HD DVD, since the majority of people can't see a difference anyway. Right?

Anyway, everyone who has seen my setup play HD DVD compared to regular DVD has almost fainted from disbelief when they saw the DIFFERENCE. Yeah, there was a perceptible difference to say the least!

So if DVD is good enough and you can't tell any difference, are you considering selling your HD DVD collection? If you list your titles, I can make you a good offer.

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What the hell is "upconvert-1080i"? I don't have a CRT, so our stuff doesn't display interlaced material. Were you talking about standard DVDs compared to HD DVD or were you not? If you were, I guess you never cared what happened to HD DVD, since the majority of people can't see a difference anyway. Right? Anyway, everyone who has seen my setup play HD DVD compared to regular DVD has almost fainted from disbelief when they saw the DIFFERENCE. Yeah, there was a perceptible difference to say the least!

"What the hell is upconvert-1080i?" , Well that explains a lot! Like Forrest would say in this case: "My mom always said: Stupid is stupid does". Let me guess, you still have your standard DVD player hooked to your TV to play your SD-DVD's and that's how they can tell the HUGE difference, right?

I'm sorry Sky, I wasn't aware that you didn't know the difference between upconvert at 1080i and NTSC. I would like to teach you all about it but I have more important things to do than wasting my time talking think-they-know-it-all kids, like enjoying my HD-DVD movies on my Sharp 1080i TV OOPS!, I said 1080i again! Sorry Sky I can't seem to stop bringing up 1080i into an HD conversation just disreggard this message.

[Post edited by wii-lite on Mar 5, 2008]

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like enjoying my HD-DVD movies on my Sharp 1080i TV

No, that's cool. If those are 9" guns you're using, they would beat my current setup. There is still a place for high-end CRT, but not for long!!! We digital guys are almost there dude. But I had no idea that Sharp actually built any? Do they make 9"?

Edit: So you gonna let me make an offer on your HD DVD collection or not????

[Post edited by Skyhawk on Mar 5, 2008]

ok you got me there, beyond the literal meaning of the phrase (9"gun), what do you mean by that? In regard to my movies, sure I won't sell them to you but I'll trade them to you. Just replace all my HD-DVD's for their BD counterparts and is all yours.

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ok you got me there, beyond the literal meaning of the phrase (9"gun), what do you mean by that?

9" guns are about the best consumer CRT you can buy capable of 1080i, and theoretically beyond if sources existed for it. For black levels and overall true contrast ratio in a totally dark room, arguably still nothing quit beats it. When I was a teenager, my first exposure to CRT projection was a friend's father who had 7" CRT guns that cost almost as much as his house did. If that's not enough, you should have seen this guy's audio system. He gave me my first introduction to tri-amping when I was only 15 years old!

Wow, we are really in two different pages. When I meant CRT I was just referring to the average TV (NTSC). My set up is not that all high tech, I have a 37" Sharp Aquos LCD 1080i flat panel display. I want to get a bigger one and at TrueHD 1080p but I'll wait for price to come down more this Christmas. I'm allocating my resources into expanding my HD-DVD collection as much as I can before it dies completely and on my sound system.

My sound system is an old Pioneer VSX-409 (is about 10 years old) with 5.1 Logic Surround Sound and all the bells and whistles (of that time). But I just got Bose speakers and I can barely get any sound out of surround speakers on the Logic Surround Sound mode. So I'm in the market now for a HDMI HT receiver.

wii-lite said -

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"I have a 37" Sharp Aquos LCD 1080i flat panel display..."

Actually, you don't. Sharp does NOT make any HDTVs with a native "1080i" resolution. Like everyone else (except a few Hitachi plasmas), all Sharp models have native resolutions of either 720p, 768p, or 1080p. Yes, your TV is capable of 1080i content, but which is THEN CONVERTED to the set's native resolution, and in your case it's probably 768p - if it was 1080p, I'm sure you would have indicated so.

FYI - Remember, except for a few Hitachi plasmas with INTERLACED native resolution, ALL OTHER TV displays have PROGRESSIVE native resolution, and ANY signal is scaled for viewing in the set's native resolution, usually either 720p, 768p, or 1080p - BUT NOT "1080i" - as 1080i is converted to progressive.

> INTERLACED info (explained etc)

"...is a technique of improving the picture quality of a video signal by removing flicker without consuming any extra bandwidth. It was invented by RCA engineer Randall C. Ballard in 1932, and first demonstrated in 1934, as cathode ray tube screens became brighter, increasing the level of flicker caused by progressive (sequential) scanning. It was ubiquitous in television until the 1970s, when the needs of computer monitors resulted in the reintroduction of progressive scan. Interlace is still used for most standard definition TVs, and the 1080i HDTV broadcast standard, but not for LCD, micromirror (DLP), or plasma displays these displays do not use a raster scan to create an image, and so cannot benefit from interlacing - in practice, they have to be driven with a progressive scan signal. The deinterlacing circuitry to get progressive scan from a normal interlaced broadcast television signal can add to the cost of a television set using such displays. Nevertheless as of 2006, progressive displays dominated the HDTV market."

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 5, 2008]

WOW, I guess I should've read the instructions then. I thought it was native 1080i , well that sucks. Ignorance is a bliss, lol you just bursted my bubble. If all this time I've been watching upconverted 1080i signal, (which I think it looks awesome) I wonder then how does 1080p really looks like . Now I want a real 1080p TV

But then why do I get a sign on the top right corner of my screen which says: 1080i. If the real definition is in fact 768p, wouldn't claiming the signal as 1080i be a form of mis-advertisement for is misleading the consumer into believing it has a 1080i resolution? Anybody, please?

[Post edited by wii-lite on Mar 5, 2008]

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But then why do I get a sign on the top right corner of my screen which says: 1080i. If the real definition is in fact 768p, wouldn't claiming the signal as 1080i be a form of mis-advertisement for is misleading the consumer into believing it has a 1080i resolution?

Your TV is showing the signal it is receiving, not what is being displayed. You probably have your HD DVD player set to output 1080i, and that's what your TV is telling you. In your case, the 1080i signal is deinterlaced and the 1080 lines "downconverted" by your TV to 720 or 768 lines before being displayed.

I don't know the video processing capabilities of your TV, nor what model of HD DVD player you have, but you may want to try setting your HD DVD player to output 720p instead so that your player does the scaling and deinterlacing (when required) instead of your TV, because the HD DVD player may do a much better job at it than your TV. See what looks best with both HD DVDs and standard DVDs, since deinterlacing is necessary for your standard DVDs.