Re: What is the PS3 audio capabilities?

oh ok ... thats what i was told tho ... bad info i guess !!? lets hope the pos3 doesnt get ps2 disease & go tick tick tick tick tick disc read error !!! that was cool NOT !! i got the bh200 & i havnt had 1 single prob with it yet & it only needs a firmware update so it can do 1.1 & 2.0 profiles !! sorry guys i just dont think buying a game console for playing movies is that cool or the best opt for it . just my 2cents tho & 360 has alot better games & online is way more fun .

If i remember correctly, you may have to go into the manual set up to enable 7.1 pcm playback. otherwise just setting to pcm without letting the ps3 know you have a 7.1 set up will just allow 5.1 playback even of 7.1 pcm tracks. theres not many, but a few good ones off the top of my head like War and Good Luck Chuck. i remember watching my first 7.1 pcm movie and not getting more than 5.1 until I did this.

Sorry not at home so that i can be more specific but if you go thru the set menus you should find everything pretty easy.

[Post edited by indian on Mar 7, 2008]

So, just to be clear, if I buy the PS3 (or since I have an HD DVD player) and I buy one of those Onkyo receivers (with or without speakers), then will I be able to take advantage of those DolbyDigitalPlus and DTS MA, or whatever those new audio streams are??

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If i remember correctly, you may have to go into the manual set up to enable 7.1 pcm playback.

Indian, you are correct. It's kinda important to visit these settings menus after you get everything up and running. It actually took me awhile to figure it out that first week. There are a bunch of checkbox thingies you select. You also have to select the appropriate Hz that your receiver supports as well, although no disk has anything more than 96Khz that I know of.

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So, just to be clear, if I buy the PS3 (or since I have an HD DVD player) and I buy one of those Onkyo receivers (with or without speakers), then will I be able to take advantage of those DolbyDigitalPlus and DTS MA, or whatever those new audio streams are??

mvckalel, you will be able to take advantage of DD+ along with the lossless formats of TrueHD and raw L-PCM. The only thing you won't be able to take advantage of until a future firmware upgrade is DTS MA, where currently only the DTS 1.5 Mbps core is decoded or streamed. Still the 1.5 Mbps DTS is twice the audio resolution of DTS found on standard DVD, and sounds pretty good while we wait for the lossless decoder.

not necessarily. only the XA2 and A35 bitstream HD audio to capable receiver. all other hd players decode true hd and send as pcm. and all other HD players send dts hd as 1.5mpbs core only.
The ps3 does not bitstream the new HD audio codecs for bluray at all. only decodes true hd and sends as pcm. handles dts hd the same way as the other HD players. there is a short list of blu players that will send the hd audio in bitstream form. Sammy bdp1400, panasonic dmp bd30 are a couple that come to mind. there are a few more and more coming soon.

mvckalel, skyhawk said it better. he beat me to it.

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The ps3 does not bitstream the new HD audio codecs for bluray at all.

But why would you want to bitstream them and have the receiver decode them? I know that Blu-ray doesn't have many true PiP titles as yet, but it I'm sure the number will increase, and being able to hear the mixed audio is kinda important in these situations - let alone silly sound effects of menu clicks and such.

sky now im confused. some guy at some site said to set it to bitstream, and you say I should set it to PCM?

kucoloco, if you set it to bitstream you'll only get up to DD 5.1 640Kbps or DTS 1.5Kbps, which you can do over Toslink anyway. You'll not get lossless sound or the higher codecs.

In order to experience lossless sound from the PS3, you MUST set it to output PCM and decode the codecs it now supports or pass through the PCM that's so common on Blu-ray titles.

There is another important reason for having your PS3 or any other player decode these higher codecs. This is about PiP and other secondary audio tracks. You will not hear them if you bitstream, the reason being is that these two (or more) audio streams must be decoded then re-encoded mixed together (normally to PCM).

This gets a bit complicated, but suppose you have a TrueHD audio track on a movie. There is also a separate audio track for PiP that is encoded with DD 5.1. If you bitstream, you will not hear both, since you can only stream one track at a time. What needs to happen is that your player has to decode both the TrueHd and the DD 5.1 and then mix them to your preference, and then sent over your HDMI cable as a single unified stream in either PCM, or in the case of the PS3 settings re-encoded to lower DD 5.1 or DTS. There is no HD DVD player or Blu-ray player that I know of that can remix these audio tracks and re-encode them as output in TrueHD or DTS HD Master Audio to be decoded by your receiver.

This is why I think a receiver's ability to decode these codecs is a bunch of horse shit. If it takes 7.1 L-PCM, that's all you should care about. Unfortunately, the receivers that do take 7.1 PCM also ask a premium for their decoding capabilities of the higher codecs... which is just a consumer ripoff strategy IMO.

got it sky. thanks. water clear explenation.

im tired, fiance wants to spend time so my.. onkyo 705 sits on my new shelf... but without my new onkyo set of spks hooked yet. guess ill do it tomorrow morning, if i do it now anyow i can make noise since is so late, dont wanna wake the tennants.

that onkyo receiver does look very sexy IMO. just has a mean look to it. and i havent even set it up yet.