Re: Digitalbits says upconverting players don't work

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Also, if that's a photo of your living room you posted earlier, I can immediately tell already that your 65" TV isn't a big enough TV for those sitting at the back row. To really show the difference to those in the back seat I'd say you should go 90" or something

Tell that to my wife, YCH! *wink*

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I just expressed my frustration with "regular joes and janes" who don't know jack about stuff, nor care for it. Not that it's really their fault, but sometimes people should be a little bit more perceptive.

A certain individual here boasted, that they do a "disservice to themselves" by owning a upconverter instead of a hi-def player. Well, that's an insult. People who buy upconverters don't "disservice themselves" in any way. To them, hi-def format IS NOT as important a priority, as their other list of priorities in their daily lives. Their passion for 1080p & firmware 2.0 jargon, doesn't top their to-do list, considering their OTHER routine (such as outdoor activities, internet, family life, WORK... or the strive to put food on the table), given economic times. These same folks (which makes up the majority of pool) are NOT uneducated, nor ignorant about the latest tech of times... it's just not a HOBBY that they can afford, nor an activity that they WANT (as a choice) to try.

Digital Upconverters work for the Majority, and will continue to do so, in the unforseen future... not because they perceive that it "matches" THE HI-DEF criteria (that us fanatics go by)- but simply because it's GOOD ENOUGH for them given their budget constraint, or based on their own lifestyle.

[Post edited by xplaytendo on Mar 7, 2008]

First, many of us have to work to make a living, most of us don't have jobs that pay $50k/year...plus, yet again, most of us can't see a big difference, a real difference in real 1080p against upconverted 1080p.

Don't you think is sad that most of us actually say that upconverted video is very close to actual 1080p? Who cares about having 6x more space on the disc, about having 1766400 more pixels when the difference, while noticeable, doesn't shine at all? It's not worth having all that extra space and resolution when the upconversion works barely good enough, it's sad for the new format, it's lame, after all they invested, regular SD could actually rival HDM with upconversion...

Oh, and Bill Hunt being another sold dog in the Blu Empire, can only throw those kind of messages agains this 'new technology'...and no, the subject is NOT misleading...

mvckalel said -

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"Don't you think is sad that most of us actually say that upconverted video is very close to actual 1080p?"

MAJOR FACTOR - depends on the screen size!

Upconverted SD-DVD is nowhere near as close to true HD1080 on a screen size of 50" or larger - you can easily see the difference. I can also easily tell when comparing a DVD at 480p resolution to the same disc at 1080p upconverted. And HD-DVD and Blu-ray Hi-Def is even more noticeable over SD-DVD - like I said, ONCE YOUR EYES GET USED TO TRUE HI-DEF 1080, they will never fail to notice the difference compared to standard resolution sources, regardless of upconversion or not.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

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Upconverted SD-DVD is nowhere near as close to true HD1080 on a screen size of 50" or larger

Not if you're sitting almost 15 feet away!

I can see why the digitalbits would be anti upconversion they are after all funded by the BD camp.

I can see upconversion players having a place in this industry. High def players require constant firm ware upgrades, let me tell you its a pain in the ass to download and burn an ISO disc. I'm not saying its impossible, just tedious. Most people don't have the capability, know how, or desire to mess with such updates.

The average consumer wants a plug and play device, for this reason I believe upconversion players will always have an audience to appeal to.

I am man HD DVD supporter, alot of the vets in here know this to be true, and I say that upconvert technology is overated. Now that HD DVD has lost, some HD DVD supporters are already trying to run up support for Toshibas SUPER upconvert. Be reasonable here, if they could not win with HD DVD, how do they expect to sale this SUPER upconvert.
No I do not want to give Toshiba the benefit of the doubt and give the SUPER upconvert a chance. All they had to do was put 110% into their HD DVD technology, and we would be talking about all the new titles coming out on HD DVD in 2008.
It will either be Blu Ray or HD DVD downloads in the future.

mvckalel, great post and very true.

Hendrix...

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MAJOR FACTOR - depends on the screen size!

Upconverted SD-DVD is nowhere near as close to true HD1080 on a screen size of 50" or larger - you can easily see the difference.

This is also true but what percentage of the population has a screen bigger than 50 inches? It's a very small number I bet and even most of them are probably still very happy with a good upconverting DVD.

I agree with you theres a difference between HD DVD/Bluray and DVD but the difference is not that drastic. it's not like the jump we made going from VHS to DVD. Now that was a great leap in video and sound.

A family friend of mine has a beautiful home theatre in his basement which he spent MAJOR coin on and last summer we watched some DVD's at his house on his 8 foot wide Stewart screen and let me tell you, it looked (and sounded actually) pretty darn fantastic. I would bet that 90% of the world would be more than happy with his setup, in fact they probably can't even dream of having a setup like it.

I guess what I'm saying is that I agree a lot with what mvckalel said in his post. Is there a difference between hidef and upconverted DVD? Yes. I don't know if it's enough of a difference to warrant investing in a new movie player and rebuying movies for the majority of people.

[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 8, 2008]

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Screen size = 65" Mits - ISF calibrated by Craig Rounds THE man for Mits CRT RPTVs.
Viewing distance from screen to front and center seating position = ~9 feet

That is your problem. You exceed the maximum distance for resolving 1080i (and are way too far to resolve 1080p). The maximum distance for your screen size is 8.5" (see http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html ) so I am not surprised.

/carmi

Thanks Falcon...

I would LOVE to have a dedicated home theatre room in my house so that I could buy one of those $44k projectors and a great sound system, but I don't. Still, I wouln't sit 6 feet away from the screen...

Again, the thing is, that you need to be closer to see the detail...closer, detail...it just doesn't make sense how this 'new' technology can't be taken advantage of unless you're close to it...sometimes we want much more than we can handle (yeah, make fun of it)...