Monday, March 10, 2008
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how are the codecs handled.. like the ps3? better?
Monday, March 10, 2008
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I don't know, I don't have a PlayStation and will never buy one.
Monday, March 10, 2008
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come on, some one share more info on the Panasonic BDP30. i dont think ill wait for the new players, as BD live is not that goo, for a couple hundred more. lol
playback. load times. audio codec details.
playback. load times. audio codec details.
Monday, March 10, 2008
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The BDP30 can bitstream all the audio codecs. It cannot however decode them and send them PCM over it's analog outputs or HDMI, which makes it a deal breaker for me because I do not have a HDMI 1.3 receiver.
[Post edited by Movielover316 on Mar 10, 2008]
[Post edited by Movielover316 on Mar 10, 2008]
Monday, March 10, 2008
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It's a deal breaker for me as well, since I prefer to have the player do the decoding (to PCM) in order to mix in the secondary audio streams. This becomes important to me when more Blu-ray titles featuring PiP and other features that contain secondary audio get more common.
Monday, March 10, 2008
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When I decided to get a Blu player to sit beside my Toshiba HD deck i bought the Samsung BDP-1400. With all the latest firmware patches in place my player works flawlessly. The unit has 5.1 analog outs on it and it is able to internally decode everything (including True HD) except for DTS Master. The unit is also capable of outputting ALL audio codecs via bitstream.
For $400 the Samsung made the most sense to me until something better and cheaper comes out in the next year or so.
For $400 the Samsung made the most sense to me until something better and cheaper comes out in the next year or so.
Monday, March 10, 2008
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Yes, the BD30 sends out all the audio codecs to the receiver without decoding. It assumes you have one of the newer receiver that will decode them (like the new Onkyos and Denons, among others).
About the Picture-in-Picture feature, the BD30 will do that, too, internally. You can turn on (and off) its secondary audio for PiP. The thing is, few BD disc include this PiP feature yet. And my guess is that only a few discs will include it for the coming year or two. After all, if you were a studio boss, would you want to field all the angry letters from owners of older BD players that aren't Profile 1.1 compliant, complaining about their not being able to access the PiP? I'd guess that studios will allow the BD 1.1 player market to grow a bit before they start issuing too many movies with PiP. But we'll see. The PiP feature is a great marketing ploy, and maybe the studios will start releasing more such discs just for the publicity they generate (including a big disclaimer in the keep case about the need for a newer, 1.1 compliant player).
John
About the Picture-in-Picture feature, the BD30 will do that, too, internally. You can turn on (and off) its secondary audio for PiP. The thing is, few BD disc include this PiP feature yet. And my guess is that only a few discs will include it for the coming year or two. After all, if you were a studio boss, would you want to field all the angry letters from owners of older BD players that aren't Profile 1.1 compliant, complaining about their not being able to access the PiP? I'd guess that studios will allow the BD 1.1 player market to grow a bit before they start issuing too many movies with PiP. But we'll see. The PiP feature is a great marketing ploy, and maybe the studios will start releasing more such discs just for the publicity they generate (including a big disclaimer in the keep case about the need for a newer, 1.1 compliant player).
John
Monday, March 10, 2008
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About the Picture-in-Picture feature, the BD30 will do that, too, internally. You can turn on (and off) its secondary audio for PiP.
I'm curious to know how this works. Are the audio mixing options for the secondary audio codec offered in the movie's menu disabled with the BD30? When you turn on the secondary audio for PiP, do you just lose the primary audio completely, or does it automatically switch to the primary's core lossy track and actually mix them and send them out DTS or L-PCM?
Regarding future PiP features, I don't think it's the fact that a very small group of early adopters will get angry (questionable assumption to begin with) about not seeing the feature in PiP mode that will cause the studios to release few PiP featured titles in 2008, but just the ramping up and maturity of the BD-Java platform for doing so. Some studios seem to be further ahead than others in this regard. Check out the upcoming features of Fox's Alien Vs. Predator re-release coming the second half of this year for example. I think once this gets easier for studios (and it will), we'll start to see a landslide of PiP and BD-Live featured major titles going forward.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Mar 10, 2008]
Monday, March 10, 2008
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Sky,
Remember, there are something like nine million "early adopters" out there to annoy with new features.
About the PiP thing: The BD30 normally should be played with the secondary audio turned off in the player (when playing a movie). Otherwise, it doesn't properly output the higher audio codecs. When you need to use secondary audio for PiP, you turn it on in the player's menu, and the movie's normal soundtrack reverts, as you say, to a plain-vanella core track in the background while the commentary and such is playing in the foreground inserts.
John
Remember, there are something like nine million "early adopters" out there to annoy with new features.
About the PiP thing: The BD30 normally should be played with the secondary audio turned off in the player (when playing a movie). Otherwise, it doesn't properly output the higher audio codecs. When you need to use secondary audio for PiP, you turn it on in the player's menu, and the movie's normal soundtrack reverts, as you say, to a plain-vanella core track in the background while the commentary and such is playing in the foreground inserts.
John
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Remember, there are something like nine million "early adopters" out there to annoy with new features.
But of course John, 8 million, 300 thousand of us welcome the new features as we don't have trouble playing them, or not playing them as the case may be
Anyway, that's interesting the way the PiP audio works. So with my PS3 set to internal decoding, I was under the impression that the full lossless was being decoded, and then mixed, and then being sent as PCM... or am I wrong there? What would happen if you choose PCM as your main track and turned on PiP (if/when a title supported that combination)?
