Re: Toshiba, MS, and Panasonic started a working commitee on DVD2 format, recreating HD-DVD experience on DVD

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The implementation cost is easy to calculate.

And translated that means you just pulled this $50 figure out of your ass and put it forth as if it were true?

This thing is a NEW (well not even commercially available) 4 core 65-nanometer 1.5GHz processor that can only work with Rambus XDR memory, and it's going to debute for $50?

Man, since I know a bit about the hardware industry, I'd love to see those calculations of yours. Well second thought no... considering where you pulled them from!

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Invalidate what? How can something that doesn't exist and not even rumored to ever be in existance be "invalidated"? The OP said that a new DVD2 format is in the works that will require a new player out later this year or the next that will debute for $150 and have "Super Upconversion", with a native resolution of 9 hundred and something progressive lines.

Uhh? Did you read the article in question. The OP simply pasted it. My comments are directed at the remarks made in the article and the reasoning why it might be true. Frankly, what the OP's opinion are do not have any effect on my arguments nor do mine have any effect on his. They are separate arguments. Please do not make the very poor assumption that they are the same argument. My thoughts and opinions are my own.

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It turns out the OP was just making this stuff up, or playing "what if". It's fine to speculate and play "what if", but not talk about pricing and features as if this were anything more than simply BS.

I never talked about specific pricing. The features I assumed were those mentioned in the article posted. Not based on the OP's opinions.

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And it's not my job to "invalidate" claims of the Easter Bunny. It's up to the one making such claims to substantiate them. And in this case zero substanciation was offered on any "detail" put forth in this thread.

Fair enough. You certainly don't have to invalidate anything. But the rest of us are certainly welcome to discuss these "possibilities". And you are welcome to join us. There is nothing wrong with speculation. If you don't like it, that's fine, but you can either ignore it or if you feel compelled to get involved, provide your opinions with good reasoning and justification for them. We'll agree or disagree, but no reason we can't have a meaningful discussion about it.

Ultimately, the article is speculative. I don't deny that. And we are simply discussing it. The author of the article wrote the article. It could be full of lies, but then again, it might not. But unless you were in the meetings or have access to minutes from them, then you hardly have any more credibility than anyone else in here. My logic tells me that it makes sense from Toshiba and MS's business standpoint. To some extent, it could make sense for other CEs and studios as well. Depends on the final specs and costs to implement it. Neither of which have been determined or may even be determined.

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And my point that this new DVD2 format was not being discussed anywhere else is relevant, since if any real "insider" spread such a rumor, even you know the AVSForum would be all over it.

Relevant, maybe. Absolute. Not at all. Either way, it doesn't address the specific points I've made in any way shape or form. Nor does it invalidate my argument. A good argument does just that. Your contention that other forums aren't actively discussing it doesn't leave you much to stand on.

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And you are welcome to join us. There is nothing wrong with speculation.

Thank you for admitting this entire thread is based on nothing but speculation.

But lets just pretend that the claims of the OP are real:

You haven't addressed the fact that Internet capability would only appeal to a minority of consumers - the demographic that can extend their home network into their living rooms, and those who already own HDTVs - the same upscale middle to upper class demographic currently targeted by the industry and studios for the adoption of high definition media. In other words, cannibalization of their own marketing sector. You also have no data or statistics to show that those who do currently belong to this demographic care more for internet features than they do for high definition plus internet features.

I'm not sure where you're going with this now... but I don't blame you for distancing your view from the person who started this thread.

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Thank you for admitting this entire thread is based on nothing but speculation.

There is nothing to admit. It was clear that it was speculation if you read the article.

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But lets just pretend that the claims of the OP are real:

You haven't addressed the fact that Internet capability would only appeal to a minority of consumers - the demographic that can extend their home network into their living rooms, and those who already own HDTVs - the same upscale middle to upper class demographic currently targeted by the industry and studios for the adoption of high definition media. In other words, cannibalization of their own marketing sector. You also have no data or statistics to show that those who do currently belong to this demographic care more for internet features than they do for high definition plus internet features.

This might be true if the internet capabilities of such a format was the only thing that would see a change. While it could be an element of it, the article suggests that HDi's menu system and non-internet interactivity would also be implemented. Not to mention managed copy.

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I'm not sure where you're going with this now... but I don't blame you for distancing your view from the person who started this thread.

I only distanced myself as a result of your assumptions that I had aligned my views with his. But my direction is quite clear if you actually go back and read my posts.

FYI... 5/30/08 Update



> Toshiba plans to release Super-Upconversion DVD player "by the end of the year"

~ Toshiba 'gets high resolution' from current DVDs ~

The Yomiuri Shimbun - By the end of the year, Toshiba Corp. plans to release a DVD player capable of producing high-resolution images from regular DVDs, company sources said Thursday.

The planned release of a model compatible with the current DVD format signifies an effort by the major electronic manufacturer to recover from a humiliating setback suffered in March after announcing its decision to withdraw from its HD DVD business, the sources said.

Toshiba's withdrawal meant its defeat by a group of electronics makers, including Sony Corp., striving to promote the Blu-ray DVD format.

Standard DVD format is capable of playing a 350,000-pixel resolution. Blu-ray and other next-generation DVD formats have a resolution of about 2 million pixels, about six times greater than the current format.

Toshiba's new technology has been made possible by developing a large integrated circuit that can instantly convert images produced in the current format into high-resolution images.

This technology makes it possible to reproduce high-quality images comparable to Blu-ray video from current standard DVDs. Toshiba President Atsutoshi Nishida said his company will not market DVD players that are compatible with Blu-ray.

Instead, Toshiba intends to compete with the Blu-ray camp by selling DVD players fitted with LSIs at lower prices than those of Blu-ray models.

To achieve this goal, Toshiba will advertise its new player as a device with which consumers can enjoy a broader array of content than is available in the Blu-ray format, the sources said.

Toshiba's withdrawal decision in March marked the end of a six-year competition between the HD DVD and Blu-ray camps. Each was seeking to make its format the global standard.

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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)

Yes this is the re-invention of the wheel indeed. I remember not so far in the past, that they had this really cool thing called HD DVD which was 1080P. And man oh man the SIGHTS and SOUNDS were awesome.

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Yes this is the re-invention of the wheel indeed. I remember not so far in the past, that they had this really cool thing called HD DVD which was 1080P. And man oh man the SIGHTS and SOUNDS were awesome.

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs cannot be played on a $40 Chinese DVD player.

DVD2 discs can, sans HDi feature and 960p output.

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Yes this is the re-invention of the wheel indeed.

Not really re-inventing the wheel, just making a square wheel a bit more rounded I think.

Nikkei confirms DVD Forum WG-12 is indeed the DVD2 project group

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The second was to launch the WG12 working group within the DVD Forum to investigate network applications for optical discs. Details are scarce on WG12, but a participant in the DVD Forum did say they appear to be considering implementing HDi in DVD players.