Re: Toshiba, MS, and Panasonic started a working commitee on DVD2 format, recreating HD-DVD experience on DVD
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mvckalel
October 2007
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...Toshiba couldn't push HD DVD enough and 'lost' the 'format war'...
...so Toshiba is pushing for this new DVD2 thing...
...is there anything else we are not getting? I mean, why not push HD DVD again when studios can support blu and discontinue DVD within the next 'couple of years'??
Skyhawk
October 2007
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View profile »Console Gamer site message boards are blocked for me here, but even if it wasn't I really wouldn't be much inclined to read it in all honesty.
I was hoping for a breakdown in real license fees paid, much like the breakdowns available for standard DVD players, and from a reliable and reputable source.
Deadmeat
March 2008
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View profile »Blu-Ray can die.
DVD cannot die.
Quote:Console Gamer site message boards are blocked for me here, but even if it wasn't I really wouldn't be much inclined to read it in all honesty.
No, the original source is digitimes.com, Taiwan's electronics industry trade news. It is just that their news expires shortly after a few days and cannot be accessed without a paid subscription. So the info is legit and matches what Microsoft quoted on Blu-Ray drive royalty back in 2005.
Royalty Rate & OEM Wholesale price according to digitimes.
Blu-Ray Drive $120(Feb 2008)
Bu-Ray Royalty : $30 + $5(DVD royalty paid separately)
HD-DVD drive $58(November 2007)
HD-DVD Royalty : $12(DVD + HD-DVD combined, so just $7 for HD-DVD)
Skyhawk
October 2007
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View profile »From what I gather from your posts though, is that you're a man in desperate need of a Blu-ray player! Perhaps we could organize some sort of charity fund for you, where members could contribute a little something toward your purchase?
Edit: The 3C group (Sony, Pioneer, and Philips) gets either $5 or 3.5% (whichever is higher) of the player cost in royalties for STANDARD DVD alone. They are a minor player BTW.... compared at least to 6C that includes Toshiba. I question your source.
[Post edited by Skyhawk on Mar 12, 2008 - CDT 2:02 PM]
ReaggieP
January 2008
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Quote:MPEG-4 decoder chip, and the HDMI output circuitry are essentially the same for both formats. The largest variable cost appears to be in the intellectual property (IP). The Blu-ray disc (BD) format uses IP owned by core members of the BD Association, plus the interactive portions known as BD Java (BD-J), which is owned by Sun Microsystems. A published report has placed the price of the royalty package at around $30 per BD player. By comparison, the royalties for HD DVD players have been pegged at around $12 per unit. In addition, the iHD system included in the cost of HD DVD software is owned by Microsoft and will be included within their new Vista operating system for PCs with HD DVD drives.
It sure takes a lot to convince you Skyhawk? You seem to be overally confident when you know you are right. But when someone has something or knows something that you do not, you seem to get a little sensative?
Anyways, Toshiba's efforts reguarding DVD2 are merely a last ditch effort to re-deploy millions of R&D dollars spent on HD DVD, for standard DVD. Not such a bad thing for people (consumers) that do not wish to spend the bank on HD media (Blu-Ray) as of yet. For 200 million people in North America, DVD still will be the choice for many years to come.
xplaytendo
November 2007
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View profile »Lighten up, man... it's VAPORWARE until you get your hands on it.
tony1569
November 2007
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DVD cannot die.
OK, now your starting to sound like a fan boy.
xplaytendo
November 2007
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View profile »Skyhawk
October 2007
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View profile »Yes, it takes more than a link to a gamer message board that I don't have access to at the moment to convince me! LOL, but thanks for the link. Standard DVD royalties were extremely high in the beginning, but were lowered as more players were being sold. Example:
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20020524S0091
Even if true, obviously the $18 difference in royalty fees between HD DVD and Blu-ray didn't sway any other third party CE companies to support HD DVD. Or did Toshiba actually make money by paying royalties to itself?
Skyhawk
October 2007
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View profile »The entire psychology behind "if my format didn't win, then both should go down!" never ceases to amaze me, party because it's reminiscent of those who murder their wives who leave them for another guy thinking "if I can't have her, no one will!". The concept scares me to be honest.