Re: > WoW! Toshiba LO$T at least $1 BILLION on HD-DVD in 2007!

IB has seen the light at last. I'm glad you've finally opened your eyes my friend.

Here's more about Sony's $1 billion (too) gamble on Blu-ray, and...

> The Format War's Bloody Aftermath

(from 3/13) - A look at both sides ups-&-downs ETC, and while it will be a tough battle for Blu-ray to dominate over those people happy with 'upconverting' DVD quality.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

Well Vortex I do wear glasses LOL. I am just a realist Vortex, but thanks for the recognition.

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Here's more about Sony's $1 billion (too) gamble on Blu-ray, and...

> The Format War's Bloody Aftermath

(from 3/13) - A look at both sides ups-&-downs ETC, and while it will be a tough battle for Blu-ray to dominate over those people happy with 'upconverting' DVD quality.

Wow, what an interested article LH, I'd like to bring everyone's attention to the first paragraph, specially you LH and Skyhawk!!!!:

"The format war. It's over. Done. Break out the blue victory hats and Curaçao, right? Wrong. There won't be a Blu-ray victory party. Don't take my word for it? How about Sony Electronics CEO Stan Glasgow's? 'From our perspective, the battle really begins now.' Now that HD DVD is dispatched, the members of Team Blu-ray can start fighting standard-def DVDs, digital downloads, consumer apathy, the Chinese and—of course—each other."

From Sony CEO "... the battle really begins now..."??? Wow it seems that not to long ago I was being accused by LH and Skyhawk of posting "FUD" and "dumb threads" for posting my predictions on the matter one month before a critic did!. (Click here to see the thread in which I was unfairly attacked)

I'm glad YOU are FINALLY seen the light and hopefully you too will start respecting other people's opinion and person. Is ok to disagree, but do it in a respectful manner with valid views and points not by calling names like kindergarten children.

[Post edited by wii-lite on Mar 14, 2008]

I don't know about HDdownloads, but I also dont see Blu lasting in the market as much more than a niche. Much of this is NOT something Blu Ray can actually affect. The economy is in shambles now and when you're looking at, say, $14 for SD of No Country for Old Men or the HD version for $30...most people's brains are working out "well, that savings buys me a few more gallons of gas. I don't really NEED it in HD"

Blu Ray's failure for wide spread adoption may come down to coming along at the wrong time. Yes, this would also apply to HD-DVD, since even though players were cheap, movies were not.

In any case, you have to spend money to make money. Toshiba lost, and now they want to move to something else. They arent forcing you to buy anything....unlike Blu Ray, to be fair, which bought out everyone so you had no choice. But even then they arent "forcing" you to adopt the format. Sony pulls this "developing new technology thats the same as whats out" all the time and nobody crucifies them. Yet somehow Toshiba is the devil incarnate because HD-DVD failed? Talk about tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

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Here's more about Sony's $1 billion (too) gamble on Blu-ray, and...

From the looks of things (both ECONOMIC & THE UPCOMING PRODUCT from Toshiba)... that gamble is STILL PENDING a payout. That wad o' CASH is still piled up on the poker table, with every player still 'CLAIMING' an ace up their sleeves.

Blu Ray players MUST RETAIL FOR around $150 to win the pockets of the Recession-affected Majority. FAST!

Otherwise, the only place a blu-ray player gets a home, is inside a PS3.

[Post edited by xplaytendo on Mar 14, 2008]

Ok wii-lite, maybe I was a little hasty and too strong that day [your link to a Feb. thread above], but you still included many FUD-based biased comments, and had been starting multiple threads around that time with the same anti Blu-ray message.

Here's your post from that thread again. The darker areas are pure FUD-based speculations - yes I know we are all guilty of this to an extent (including myself), but the HD-DVD only fanboys were very diligent in attacking Blu-ray here on this message board.

And by the way, I've been saying a similar message for months now - that even though Blu-ray is/has won the hi-def disc format war, the real uphill battle (and large mountain to climb) is to become as popular as standard DVD, which is a mammoth challenge, as we both agree.

wii-lite said... (from Feb. - linked above)

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So it is 99% sure that HD-DVD has lost this HD battle but I think the real war is only about to begin. Now BD has to compete and dethrone the original, the one and only, the DVD. We should not forget that HD-DVD was adopted by the international DVD Forum as the next-generation DVD standard.

Do BD supporters mean to tell me, and expect me to believe, that the International DVD Forum is just going to give up and concede the entertainment industry to Sony and its BD? I think not. We musn't forget that DVD is the current standard going still strong. DVD has over 90,000 [titles] available with at least 5 to 7 new DVD's being release or re-release every week. DVD has the 100% market base in America and the world (high definition owners still have their movies in SD thanks to upconversion) and in the US, according to a study conducted by the NDP consumer group, 70% of people are perfectly content with their DVD and have no intention of going high def.

In the gaming arena, besides the PS3 (obviously), all the other consoles (XBOX 360, Wii, and PS2) use DVD media as well as PC gaming. Heck, even most of the PC games are still CD. Even if Microsoft were to create a BD drive for the XBOX 360, it would be for movie viewing purposes and not for gaming.

In the established BD home base, are the current BD owners honestly happy to know that they have to buy a brand new player in order to have all the features that current HD-DVD owners already have? Do you BD fans realize that once the version 2.0 (or whatever you call it) come out all the studios will make BD disks supporting the version and most likely won't be fully compatible with your current BD players? After all, current owners won't be able to update their firmware to 2.0 for the current BD players won't be compatible with the 2.0 version. So be ready to shell out another $600 or more by the end of the year or whenever 2.0 and the new BD movies comes out.

Reality check! BD is facing an uphill battle versus DVD. If at least half of the current HD-DVD owners think like me, plus all the hundreds of million of happy S-DVD owners around the globe, I know most people will be sticking with S-DVD's thanks to upconverting players and won't make the jump to BD until the real fat lady (the international DVD Forum) sings and stops support and production of S-DVD's.

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-although that last darkened comment might end up being true - LH

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Hey I still use dialup!!! I use it when I'm in a third world country like Mexico sipping back on Corona's!!!

Yeah, right, specially when they got more 3G coverage than we do...but really, they got way better deals and better service than we do, really, no joke...

"I WANT THE TRUTH!"

Tim - that was inspired