Re: > WoW! Toshiba LO$T at least $1 BILLION on HD-DVD in 2007!

OK, why are we arguing here again? Tell me a company that doesn't lose money with a new product...come on! It's business!

Yes, Toshiba lost the format war, then quit...and lost money, way too much money...

Sony, well, also lost money, but they hope blu-ray will catch on as SD DVD has, in order to recoup money...lots of money... $ $ $ $ $...

The thing is, Toshiba wants to 'go at it again', while we HD DVD consumers were abandoned in the ship, which, wasn't sinking at all...

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And I really think everyone should adopt TRUE HD - Blu-ray - and don't settle for this possible 'DVD2'/Super-Upconversion.

1. Blu-Ray players cost too much.
2. Blu-Ray players aren't compatible with each other. Blame it on Java.
3. Blu-Ray titles average $10 more than DVD at retail. This is a significant barrier to consumers.

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Over the next year or so, Blu-ray players will become more affordable

Call me when I can buy a 2.0 Player for $99.

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Toshiba is beginning to look like a SCAM artist. Like I said before, they want all of the HD DVD supporters to now adopt this DVD2 technology

More like 30 million Xbox 360 users first.

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The only way I'd buy a DVD2 player is if Toshiba can really prove that the quality matches that of HD-DVD or BD

Super Upconverted DVDs will be very very close to Blu-Ray to most people PQ wise.

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Even if Microsoft were to create a BD drive for the XBOX 360, it would be for movie viewing purposes and not for gaming.p

1. Microsoft offcially denied Blu-Ray drive for Xbox 360 twice.
2. Former head of Microsoft HD-DVD division is talking about new 0.3 mm high-density red-laser DVD for consoles. Given the close cooperation between Toshiba and Microsoft, I expect a high-density data-only DVD for Xbox 3 to show up.

My 3G/ 1X EVDO wireless card doesn't always work in third world countries. It works great in the US and Canada.

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[Post edited by ReaggieP on Mar 14, 2008]

I'm sure some of that money was lost to the paramount payoff. Toshiba didn't exactly have the best ad campaign. Although I hate Sony, the BDA was lucky to have them since they spread the most lies and people actually believe them.

Hey LH, just want to be honestly clear and for the record I'm not against Blu, I'm against Sony as a corporation and their forcing tactics toward consumers. As a matter of fact, if it hadn't being because Sony is directly behind Blu-ray, I'd probably would had gone Blu by now (I was on the fence until Paramount and Dreamworks went HD-DVD exclusive). So please, don't think I'm anti-BD, I'm anti Sony .

As for the bold highlights from my Feb, I'd like to add some comments:

wii-lite said... (from Feb. - linked above)

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Do BD supporters mean to tell me, and expect me to believe, that the International DVD Forum is just going to give up and concede the entertainment industry to Sony and its BD? I think not.

I think it has been proven that the DVD Forum is not ready to give up since Toshiba and others want to come out with DVD2. 1 point for FUD.

Even if Microsoft were to create a BD drive for the XBOX 360, it would be for movie viewing purposes and not for gaming.

This one is half way there, M$ already said it'll "support BD in ways that make sense" however, the XBOX division won't make (for now) a BD drive for the XBOX. Let's think of it this way: If M$ only made a HD-DVD add-on, what makes people think that M$ will make a BD drive and start making BD based games when M$ main competitor (Sony and the PS3) own the rights for BD? Highly unlikely UNLESS BD beats SD-DVD and trully becomes the next standard for entertainment media.

So be ready to shell out another $600 or more by the end of the year or whenever 2.0 and the new BD movies comes out.

I think that even I was off by a $100, this FUD was right too. Sony unveils $400 and $500 BD-Live players. Another point for FUD.

If at least half of the current HD-DVD owners think like me, plus all the hundreds of million of happy S-DVD owners around the globe, I know most people will be sticking with S-DVD's thanks to upconverting players and won't make the jump to BD until the real fat lady (the international DVD Forum) sings and stops support and production of S-DVD's.

That you actually admitted that most likely will be true too so another point for FUD.

So 3 out of 4 FUD's correct with one pending. Not bad for a "FUD spreader" huh? he he

Well, Toshiba can recoup much of R&D investment by migrating as much HD-DVD tech to DVD as possible. Single DVD can in fact pack 21 GB if it adopted to ETM modulation, narrowest possible track pitch, and triple layering.

That's 21 GB optical DVD drive for less than $20.

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I think that even I was off by a $100, this FUD was right too. Sony unveils $400 and $500 BD-Live players. Another point for FUD.

Well, $400 is not BD-Live compliant. You need to add your own GB storage.

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Well, Toshiba can recoup much of R&D investment by migrating as much HD-DVD tech to DVD as possible. Single DVD can in fact pack 21 GB if it adopted to ETM modulation, narrowest possible track pitch, and triple layering.

Dude, give it up. Toshiba couldn't do it with 30GB disks, what makes you think they can take over with 21 GB disks?

And no, in case you're thinking it VHS tapes will never make a big comeback either!

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Well, $400 is not BD-Live compliant. You need to add your own GB storage.

Thanks for bringing that up, actually based on your comment I just read the entire article and realised those players are actually only Profile 1.1. So if Profile 1.1 will sale at $400 and $500 then we can expect Profile 2.0 to indeed be $600 as I "FUDed", and even perhaps more expensive. Damn Sony, no wonder I hate them. lol

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And no, in case you're thinking it VHS tapes will never make a big comeback either!

You are right because technically VHS never completely left. You can still buy them at retail stores. (blank ones at least).