Blu-Ray Live! owns Xbox Live!

Hopefully this hasn't been posted yet.
http://kotaku.com/370076/ps3-getting-blu+ray-disc-live-update-live
Sony is releasing the new profile 2.0 very soon for the ps3 with some very interesting features.

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Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story and The 6th Day. Both titles will include exclusive downloadable content that goes beyond what is available on the actual Blu-ray discs

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A variety of downloadable content can be offered, including bonus
scenes, shorts, trailers, subtitles, ringtones that can be sent to
mobile phones, images, and more.
-- Interactive movie-based games can pit players who are sitting in the
same room, or are across the world and online, against each other.

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Whether you want to download movie extras, send ringtones to your phone, or play interactive games, BD-LIVE will offer exciting new ways to enjoy a Blu-ray movie. With these regular firmware updates and future-proofed technology, SCEA is making the 10-year lifecycle of PS3 possible.

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"Resume play" will enable PS3 system to start playing a Blu-ray disc
and DVD at the point it was stopped, even if the disc had been
removed.

some quotes from commenters

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I bought a PS3 knowing full well it was BD-Live or 2.0 complaint

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Eurgh! Stop copying everyone's homework Sony! F-!

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Congrats to Blu-Ray for getting even closer to being able to do everything HD DVD can!

just to let everyone know the interactivity on ps3 is a lot more capable than HDDVD's HDi was. This language is a fully upgradeable and workable piece of programming, and has virtually no limits. So, this kind of feature must have been in the works for a long time.

The "Resume play" feature is definitely cool. Finally HD media players catch up to standard DVD players!

I know.. that's really interesting, how the hell did they come up with that? Must be some kind of software write in from the movie. So i guess the movie writes to disc. Hmmm it sounds like a way to sneak in a hack, but i wonder if it is player induced?

The resume play IS a nice feature. Finally!

Will standalone bluray players be able to do this with firmware updates? Hopefully.

And the resume play feature is nothing new at all... I've been able to do that... ever since I got my Xbox 360. Surprise!

mike
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/review-of-xbox-360-hd-dvd-add-on/4186
http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=51312
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=885997
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=227564&messageID=488928
here are 4 urls proving you wrong surprise!!!
Also, mike, since you obviously can't read. This is resume play after REMOVING the disc from the machine, not resuming after hitting the stop button. Plus you don't need to hit "bookmark" or anything like you had to on the HDDVD sets you refer to.

SURPRISE!
EDIT: it could be a simliar bookmark feature, but we don't know that yet. But, still, thanks for shilling your tripe sir, that thousands on the internet claim is "non-existent".

[Post edited by theprof00 on Mar 20, 2008]

Really? I didn't know you could do that on the 360. Good to know.

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I know.. that's really interesting, how the hell did they come up with that? Must be some kind of software write in from the movie.

I don't think so, since some Blu-ray movies already have a "re-play" feature, as when you press the stop button, then play again, the movie starts where it left off. I suspect this is done by BD-J included with those movies, since the xlet interface includes a "destroy" event that allows you to execute code when the xlet is removed from the screen (by pressing stop for example). In this case, the xlet probably simply saves the running time in RAM in a static object that's available when a new xlet is created. At least that's the way I'd do it. Of course this doesn't work if you turn the machine off - the xlet would have to write to either the hard drive or internal persistent flash memory for that to work, which they could have done. Except all studios would have to coordinate the format of the saved data, and know what to do if persistent data was already used up.

I think this new feature isn't done by the movies, since it's a firmware upgrade and likely has nothing to do with BD-J itself. In other words it's a lower level function built into the operating system. This is all just a guess on my part of course...

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here are 4 urls proving you wrong surprise!!!
Also, mike, since you obviously can't read. This is resume play after REMOVING the disc from the machine, not resuming after hitting the stop button. Plus you don't need to hit "bookmark" or anything like you had to on the HDDVD sets you refer to.

Who said I was ever talking about HD-DVD? Douche bag.

However I can still use resume play on DVD's even when using the HD-add on. Hell I can even take the disc out, put it back in and it'll pop up right where I was at!

[Post edited by Mike37 on Mar 20, 2008]

you're talking about regular dvd mike? Rofl.
so, your 360, and any other dvd player ever released is really a surprise to me. LOL next time keep your common knowledge to yourself, know it all.

EDIT:isn't this the HD forumz?!?

me: hey look at this new thing!
mike: so what xbox can do that.
me: no it can't you fool
mike: no it can't but your a jerk for calling me out on it
me:.....

[Post edited by theprof00 on Mar 20, 2008]

You really are a troll, you know that?I mean seriously... I'm glad I'm not you... I'm glad I don't have to make fun of people just to get a hard on.

What i think is most interesting about this article is the use of the name Live for blu ray.
Sometimes sony gets me really amped for what's to come. To me this is saying.
"This update does something HDDVD could never do. We are coming into our own. We destroyed HDDVD and now we are coming for you Microsoft."
The use of Live, is purely calculated. This is a direct challenge i feel.

oh that's right i'm the troll.

This is a big step in the right direction for Sony. And your "xbox is better" bs will not be tolerated.
If anything this is the direction that a lot of HDDVD fans, and possible BR adopters have been hoping for the format to follow. I think it's about time, and i welcome more and more updates to come. Otherwise I myself will have beef with Sony.
This is good news, stop trying to spoil it.

ya know what mike: i've been a member here for a month longer than you! neener neener neener.
god that felt good!

[Post edited by theprof00 on Mar 20, 2008]

Hey... I'm not the one going "HAW HAH! YOU'RE WRONG AND NOW I'M GONNA SHOVE DIRT IN YOUR FACE!!! LAWLS HAHAHAHAHAHAHALAWSLROFLCOPTORZ!!!1111"

And I really don't see the connection between Xbox Live, and BR-Live... Ones an Online GAMING community... the other is a Disc Format feature... Uhmm.. okay!

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And the resume play feature is nothing new at all... I've been able to do that... ever since I got my Xbox 360.

This is NOT true. The Xbox 360 does not currently include a replay feature for Blu-ray movies.

Sorry, I just had to throw that in!

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This is NOT true. The Xbox 360 does not currently include a replay feature for Blu-ray movies.

Sorry, I just had to throw that in!

And I used to look up to you

What does Xbox DVD playback features vs BD playback features have to do with Xbox Live?

lol mike, i'm sorry for making you feel bad. if yu want we can edit:delete our texts so nobody looks bad ok?
PS: mike if it is too far over your head to see that MS and SONY consoles are in direct competition, that MS funded HDDVD with a crapload of money to directly compete with BR, have competing software in the HD interactivity dept. that they are directly trying to push into BR profile, then of course there must be no connection to using "Live".
Trust me Sony has an amazing sense of humor, and a shit eating grin to support. When hundreds of thousands of people in the game industry asked for in-game XMB, sony made a big press release. and everybody in attendance received news of "XMB.... in......shirt!" and unveiled a shirt with xmb icons on it.
This is definitely a call out to MS. Like "you wanna push all your crap onto us, ok! BRLive!"
maybe I'm reading too much into this but honestly Sony just beat MS and Toshiba, and now adopted Toshiba's web interactivity and MS's affiliated brand name.

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Here's a funny picture.



EDIT FAIL! My picture is too big... DAMN THIS FORUM!!!

Fine here's a new one...

Evil forum...



[Post edited by Mike37 on Mar 20, 2008]

what the hell does the thread topic have to do with anything?

spoon those are different posts. Don't just jumble everything together. learn to separate your thoughts. Read the article, that'll clear things up for you.

OK focus people
SONY is releasing an update. Calling it "BRLive!".
it includes many updates an interactive features.
On the one hand you can read all the features in the OP article url.
secondly i think it's interesting that they decided on BR"Live", with xbox live being such a well known brand name, and currently one of the dominating features 360 has over the ps3.
that's it. discuss.

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And I really don't see the connection between Xbox Live, and BR-Live... Ones an Online GAMING community... the other is a Disc Format feature... Uhmm.. okay!

Mike37... look at the title, there is nothing OBJECTIVE OR CONSTRUCTIVE about this thread. Clearly the title itself is A BASH on another format... not current events. This "dumb as a roof shingle" for a waste of space JUST PREFER TO INSTIGATE AGGRESSION.

It is a LECTURE on how an UPCOMING PATCH is supposedly better than a competing feature, ALREADY IN USE. The Troll is already judging a NOT-YET-TESTED-BY-CONSUMER update, against an ALREADY EXISTING competitive version, CURRENTLY USED BY MILLIONS OF MEMBERS...

Just look at the title! It doesn't want you to know about the latest news. This TROLL wants you to hear his FANBOY propaganda, then saturate the thread by CUT & PASTE articles on the net! Don't buy on this HOT AIR BALOON MIKE37 (or anyone else offended by the author's headline). He doesn't want to discuss anything.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

[Post edited by xplaytendo on Mar 20, 2008]

WAit... the Update itself is not called Blu-Ray Live... just the new web-enabled/Java content. At least that's how Jimmy explained it... I think. Skyhawk... some help!

Xplaytendo... I know... I just like messing with the trolls.

[Post edited by Mike37 on Mar 20, 2008]

xplay rofl
leave it to you to use your time not only to misquote someone "dumb as a roof shingle"
but to say that profile 2 is not news. well done sir. your contribution to hddvd will not be forgotten!

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WAit... the Update itself is not called Blu-Ray Live... just the new web-enabled/Java content. At least that's how Jimmy explained it... I think. Skyhawk... some help!

Umm... yeah, the feature itself provided by the update is called "BD-Live" which offers interactive internet content that's movie specific - much like HD DVD does (did) with the movies that supported it. It has nothing to do with XBox Live, which I pay every month for BTW (not for me, but for our 12 year old son).

I think theProf is just pointing out the similarity in names - the "Live" part, and wondering what if any implications there are because of it.

What do Blu-Ray Live and XBOX Live have to do with each other? I was under the impression that they are two completely different things. Why is it that everyone has to prove that their opinion is correct? Some people prefer the 360 and some prefer the PS3. Some people prefer BR and some prefer HD-DVD or SDVD. Deal with it.

Anyone who has Xbox live knows they have nothing in common. Sony is sooo far behind. They should have had this when the PS3 was released. Sony fanboys take a hike. I'm sure you are happy that your game system has an update, now get some games that are worth playing. Oh yeah, you PS3 owners can get vibrating controllers too now. Wow, thats funny, xbox 360 already had that too. Think before you cut on technology that has already been proven and embraced by the public (passing the 10 million member mark).

Wolvinator:

Well the problem behind having the "Rumble function" Was all legal issues... apparently that is all cleared up now.

Either way... it's the thing i've been waiting for.. Which is why I'm buying a PS3 in June... MGS4 AND a DualShock 3... all in one convenient package?! SOLD!

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OK focus people
SONY is releasing an update. Calling it "BRLive!".
it includes many updates an interactive features.
On the one hand you can read all the features in the OP article url.

They didnt decide to call nothing, that has been the planned name for it ever since the first info for the profiles surface, profile 2.0 aka BD Live.

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Oh yeah, you PS3 owners can get vibrating controllers too now.

My regular PS3 controller used to vibrate at certain points in Blu-ray movies. But then I decided to store it away instead of keeping it on top of my sub.

I've said PS3's lack of BC with PS2 defines it as a product and a project.

PS3 is also apparently not compatible with Sony execs look how many of them it has bricked. It seems no one from the PS dev staff has survived. So many have been canned (apparently due to PS3) that we can now safely say it is not BC with recent Sony execs. Its outrageously hilarious. The real introduction of BD (much delayed) just took place and the Japanese market welcomed PS3 by handing it a 4x defeat in that month at the hands of a cheap console that doesn't even have a DVD, made, no less, by last generation's loser. Of coarse the Xbox was the loser everywhere but in The US.

BD Live is just a gimmicky name for extra features, it can't compare to Xbox Live. You can compare PSN and Xbox Live, Xbox Live wins hands down.


Now having said all that I think that BD live will be better than the features on HD-DVD.

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My regular PS3 controller used to vibrate at certain points in Blu-ray movies. But then I decided to store it away instead of keeping it on top of my sub.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, bahahahha


I though something was missing when I tried a game or two on the ps3, until I fuigured it was tha bibration. Then I went back to the 360.

A better comparison with XBOX Live would be HOME for the PS3 which isn't out yet.

Let's not forget the Playstation network is FREE. While XBOX Live has less lag and such you do have to pay for it.

Perhaps it should be called, "BR Lame!"

I don't understand these Home comparisons either, maybe I should read more about it. Home looks like a stupid Sims stlye game, its a virtual myspace no? Folding@Home is also stupid, do people really believe that massive corporations like Sony give a damn about diseases? I bought game systems to play games not cure diseases. Wii60 FTW!

[Post edited by rangoonth on Mar 20, 2008]

Here's a better comparison for Home

Home = Second Life.

I am confused. xbox live is something that lets people play video games online. Blu-ray live lets you use bonus content on Movies. What do these have in common? I have xbox live for games like call of duty 4. When will the PS3 online gaming not suck?

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KungFuTaco, said: "When will the PS3 online gaming not suck?"

It won't! Not until they get a clue and start charging a fee (which can be used to improve the service) and weed-out the people who aren't serious gamers by keeping the welfare-sucking people from clogging their networks!!!

If there were really good games out for the PS3 (there only about 2 that are exclusive and worth playing), AND if their on-line [gaming] service cost a fee (I would rather pay for good service than have crappy service that's free)... I would have already gotten a PS3!

Also... if Sony starting charging for PSN... it would shut-up those yahoos on XBOX Live who keep touting (usually on their gamer motto) "make xbox live free!"

Doesn't Nintendo charge a fee for their Wii gaming service?

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Doesn't Nintendo charge a fee for their Wii gaming service?

They don't have a service per say. Well, not in the sense of Live or Home. But the charge is having to put up with their silly friend codes. I own a Wii and am pretty happy with it over all. But man, I am certain that to really break into the online gaming they need to do away with the friend code deal.

Nothing still beats Gaming on the XBOX 360.

So the guys who bash media downloads,

love their blu-ray actually having 'exclusive downloads' or whatever the internet interactivity means...

Hypocrites!

it doesn't matter if niether of them have anything in common with each other.
With Sony calling most of the shots in BR i just thought it was interesting to see that the word Live was used. Sony is hurting in really only one department right now..... the gaming dept. Now, MS did a lot to make Sony look bad. Not purposely, but just from being a good console in itself with an amazing online play.
It makes me wonder why Sony chose to use the name Live, which is "almost" something of a brand name in itself due to the extreme popularity of the service.
Why does everyone have to get so defensive.
all I saud was that Sony has been doing well and MS is not happy about it. And that this announcement is kind of a slap in the face. Does nobody see that? Maybe I'm crazy, but if i had a special multimillion dollar cashcow called ghost, and then a hardcore direct rival started taking money out of my pocket and released somekind of service called specter or phantom or even ghost, i would be a little ticked off.
As far as having nothing in common though, xbox live offers interactive content for games on the xbox360. BD Live offers interactive content for HD movies on the PS3... that's not a HUGE difference, but i would have to say it's more than "nothing in common at all".

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So the guys who bash media downloads,

love their blu-ray actually having 'exclusive downloads' or whatever the internet interactivity means...

Hypocrites!

Which guys are these? Perhaps there are some somewhere, but I doubt all "guys who bash media downloads" love their Blu-ray now for having "exclusive downloads" (even though both aren't the same).

If anything, this should make more HD DVD exclusive guys get onto the Blu-ray bandwagon, since Internet interactivity ("exclusive downloads") were so important to them.

It was never to me...

Unlike PS3 owners who now boast these 'new' features...

Again mvckalel, which Blu-ray owners are boasting about these new features? Seriously.

And you don't care about Interactive web features even though you're the loudest complainer about Blu-ray haven't not had them compared to HD DVD on this site? And who are you calling hypocrite again?

Also, has the world just turned upside-down and inside-out?

ps3 sucks just like this topic

In addition to what Skyhawk stated, for the record... I, like editor John Puccio and others, just DON'T CARE about 2.0 interactive features. None of my HD-DVD players or my 60GB PS3 is connected to the internet. Whenever I want to update my PS3, I connect a USB flash drive to my computer, download, then update the drive into the PS3. Maybe one day I'll experiment with 2.0 features. Looks like Skyhawk, Tony1569, ReaggieP and others are the experts here with experience in using interactive features.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

I know what you mean about not caring about the interactive features, supplementals, extra, etc... and many times, the "fluff" is just that!

However... some of these movies have some very interesting and articulate add-ons that are worth taking a look at! Transformers on HD DVD has one of the coolest features I've seen, as far as one of these "Internet-enabled features." There's an optional viewing mode for the movie, that puts a frame on the bottom and left side of the screen (it reduces the viewing image by 10 or 15 percent) and it had details (on a panel that slides out) on all of the main Transformers characters, whenever they appear on screen. Also, there are other pop-up details about the other characters in the movie that appear when these characters are on screen (not ALL the time, but occasionally - sort of like the VH-1 Pop-up Videos).

I understand about watching a movie in its pure, unadulterated form... but some time after you've already seen the movie enough times to get nothing new out of it... these alternatives ARE very entertaining! Most of the time, I watch a movie and that's about all I feel like doing with it. Other times, I might be working on something (building model car, for example) and want to have a movie I enjoy, running the bonus features while I'm working. I don't carry on a conversation or read a book while I watch a movie (usually, the room is too dark to do anything BUT watch the movie). I don't even watch a movie until AFTER I've eaten - no distractions!

For others... perhaps it's just inherent curiosity about how a film is put together, and that's fine - it's just the director in them that will never be.

My suggestion... is to NOT knock what you've always assumed to be useless fluff, until you've tried it - and under the right circumstances. I would NEVER invite people over to watch "Transformers" AND make them watch the version with that add-on running with it (unless THAT were the reason they were there to see it)! My time is too valuable to spend 2 hours watching bonus stuff - unless I can do it while I do something else, too (like posting these lengthy messages)!!

Good post VV...

The thing is, I don't think that the features when you can 'show off' your 'online friends' your favorite scenes is worth for the most of us...links to promotional stores?

I mean, just make a good making-of documentary, and make all special features at least in 720p, to make the purchase worth...online? Unless you are gaming...