Re: Playstation 3: Not the best Blu-ray player you can buy

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Henning posted information he saw in Home Cinema Choice Magazine.

No, actually the quotes I posted were from Henning himself, not from the "Home Cinema Choice Magazine" (whatever UK opinion piece that was in it).

Are you saying it's wrong to ask such questions?

Good GOD man, can't you see that the owner(s) of this site scour the net looking for opinion pieces to post as news if it puts Blu-ray or Sony or the PS3 in some sort of bad light? You can't tell me that the original article was some objective scientific quantification of the PS3's Blu-ray playback capabilities compared to standalone players, can you? Dropped frames in "Fast Motion"? Come on, even you know that regardless of how fast the motion is, the frames are exactly 24 frames per second, even for still images! That alone should call out the BS. GET REAL!

And even if ONE, and I do mean ONE frame was ever dropped in a movie, or if visible "who knows what artifacts " were shown, it would be the buzz of the Internet the first week the PS3 was released - especially on the AVSForum. Every other site and those who have compared the PS3 generally hold it very high in playback quality without any of the problems identified by Henning and this article.

Believe what you want. But as I said, take this with a BIG grain of salt and do *real* research, instead of one person's obvious bias opinion, along with some opinion piece in some UK magazine.

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[Post edited by Skyhawk on Mar 25, 2008 - CDT 10:53 PM]

Well let's just see what he says and no it's not wrong to ask.

I know from personal experience I have talked to people (sales reps, agents, friends, etc) about electronics and the stuff we talked about I cannot post links to because it was obviously through conversation. People can't post links to everything they hear or talk about I guess is what I'm saying.

Anyway you came off a little on the attack which I thought was uncalled for but yeah...let's just see what he says.

EDIT: I'm not saying that article is correct by any means. If it IS an issue I'm glad to know about it as I would with an issue regarding ANY hidef player, receiver, hidef disks, hidef audio, etc. Admittedly this is the first time I have personally heard about picture quality issues with a PS3 and I have always said it's a great machine. Let's see if that magazine gets bombarded with email regarding the article and does a follow up to it.

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[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 25, 2008 - CDT 10:58 PM]

So what was the verdict as far as my PS3 getting a patch to decode dts-HD?

Is it possible, but not yet implemented? Or will it never be possible for some reason?

I'm curious about whether the magazine was watching PS3 content and fast moving image on an LCD, or plasma etc. There is a MAJOR difference in quality! VIEW THE CHART

Also, well-known "HDTV Guru" Gary Merson has previously done both static -and- motion resolution tests (for fast moving images) on select displays - SEE INFO HERE - with these results (brief excerpt)...

The result, three distinct groups emerged from this test of the twenty 1080p displays. All displays in the top group were plasma HDTVs. They all had a static resolution of 1080 lines and a measured motion resolution of 830-880 lines, depending on the specific display. The next group consisted of microdisplay rear projectors, static measured 1050-1080 (depending on the display) while motion resolution ranged of 610-780 lines. The bottom group were all the LCD flat panels, with a static resolution of 400 (one panel) to 1080 lines and motion rez coming in at 360 lines (one set tested) to 600 lines. Three of the LCDs tested were 120 Hz models (one was the Sony KDL-46XBR4 reviewed here), all 120 Hz models had 600 lines of motion resolution.

Yet another reason (above) why I love Plasma TVs (like Pioneer!), along with dark blacks, deepest contrast, accurate colors, etc. Once you own a plasma, or perhaps a nice front-projection system (like Skyhawk), you'll never go back to LCD quality.

-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)

I totally agree with you, plasma indeed provides a superb picture quality, even upconverted DVDs look amazing, i was planning on buying one... which brands and/or models do you recommend?

Sorry Hendrix, It was a list that the BB stores got. It could be a hold back by now? But the distributer actually sent them out. DMM and other Canadian DVD distributers are still in possession of order lists for HD DVD purchasing for now. No stores are actively ordering. I have a friend that works for DMM Canada. He was the one that kinda gave me the heads up on Studio Canal. Then I went to my local BB to visit a friend and low and behold it was true? I don't think we'll see any titles here, but for European purchase there was quite a few Studio Canal, Disney Import and FOX import titles on the list. Mostly titles that I've never heard of. Anyways, it's not that important. Check Amazon in Europe, maybe you can find yourself a nice late night French half naked film or something! LOL

Well, once again people accuse us of being biased towards a specific format or brand. I can VERY clearly say that this is not the case.

However, shouldn't we bring news forward just because it is negative? Isn't it our job to make people aware of product limitations giving them a better chance of making a purchase that they will be happy with?

Now, Skyhawk, I know you love your PS3. However, this doesn't make it a perfect Blu-ray player. Magazines that report the stutter in quick movements include T3 which gave the PS3 a 2 out of 5 rating as a Blu-ray player.

I can't stop you from believing that the magazine lies about this but they have reviewed almost every Blu-ray player up to the Panasonic DMP-BD30. For me, well, you obviously think I lie as well.

All this said, we only try to inform the consumer the best we can to help them make the buying decision that is right for them. And for the record, the PS3 is not a bad machine at all. It has great value and its Blu-ray playback IS very good. Simply not the best.

As I wrote, before the Panasonic DMP-BD30 and the upcoming Profile 1.1 and 2.0 players I considered the PS3 the best Blu-ray player to buy.

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[Post edited by Henning on Mar 26, 2008 - CDT 9:41 AM]

agreed

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Magazines that report the stutter in quick movements include T3

Hmmm... http://www.t3.com/search.html?q=stutter&page=1

But cool that T3 put the PS3 in third place out of 100 for the coolest gadget of 2007!

First, I'm not arguing that the PS3 may or may not have the best PQ for Blu-ray playback. However, "stutter" or dropped frames, and playback induced artifacts are a new claim that no one seems to have heard of before this. I'd like to see some screen shots and time codes so that I'll know what to look for on my 130" screen. One would think that even occasional stuttering on fast movement would make playback useless, at least it certainly would for me. Fast movement isn't exactly a rare thing in film either.

If the objective was to get this site linked on multiple AVSForum posts because of this article, the goal has certainly been met!

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[Post edited by Skyhawk on Mar 26, 2008 - CDT 10:23 AM]

Whats weird is they said that the problem (stuttering and all the rest of it) didn't happen on the standalone bluray players. So this leads me to believe it's not the movie. I assume that they hooked up the PS3 to the same TV using the same HDMI cable. I also assume that they had the PS3 set to 1080P/24 output unless of course the TV they were using is not capable of 24fps.

Has anyone searched for this article online? I'm gonna check...

Well I found this article they wrote in June 07 and they have nothing but good things to say about the PQ on the PS3.

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/displayreview.php?reviewid=7278

It must be the current issue that the article is in since I cannot find it on their website.

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[Post edited by Falcon01 on Mar 26, 2008 - CDT 10:50 AM]