Re: Playstation 3: Not the best Blu-ray player you can buy
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
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According to the website:
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Equipment reviewed in Home Cinema Choice is measured and quantified by Future Tech Labs, which for more than 15 years has set the standard for independent AV test & measurement. The findings of the Tech Labs are used to underpin the subjective opinions of our Reviews team, ensuring that you receive the best-possible advice when it comes to planning your next purchase
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
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Thanks, but we don't know the SPECIFICS. I've been reading equipment reviews for years in various magazines, and EVERY setting, type of signal, etc can CHANGE and MODIFY the results when doing tests.
Consider 1080p/24... the reason we have this 'new' type of viewing capability is because it -is- an improvement over 1080p/60, 1080i/60, 720p/60 etc. So, when conducting a TEST, you must be very careful in the equipment settings, etc, so as to make an accurate judgment. I personally prefer Geoffrey Morrison's testing at Home Theater Magazine, and I subscribe to this mag (and many others).
The opinions about the PS3 mentioned in the original article would have to be examined in detail, and confirmed by other sources, before I could attempt to consider it valid. Again, all of the specifics are needed.
And as I said earlier, I have NOT seen the 'stuttering' (or artifacts etc) on my Pioneer plasma, from my PS3 (original 60GB model), and I've sent 1080i/60, 1080p/60, and 1080p/24 signals from it to my TV display. So, I cannot agree with that magazine's opinion.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 26, 2008]
Consider 1080p/24... the reason we have this 'new' type of viewing capability is because it -is- an improvement over 1080p/60, 1080i/60, 720p/60 etc. So, when conducting a TEST, you must be very careful in the equipment settings, etc, so as to make an accurate judgment. I personally prefer Geoffrey Morrison's testing at Home Theater Magazine, and I subscribe to this mag (and many others).
The opinions about the PS3 mentioned in the original article would have to be examined in detail, and confirmed by other sources, before I could attempt to consider it valid. Again, all of the specifics are needed.
And as I said earlier, I have NOT seen the 'stuttering' (or artifacts etc) on my Pioneer plasma, from my PS3 (original 60GB model), and I've sent 1080i/60, 1080p/60, and 1080p/24 signals from it to my TV display. So, I cannot agree with that magazine's opinion.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 26, 2008]
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
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Hendrix, I understand, and you certainly are a guru compared to me. However, I can't comprehend how the magazine would make such an error when doing this type of test. Now, if it was some angry HD-DVD supporter, then yeah, throw this out the window. But these guys took the time to compare different players, and not just pick on the PS3. It would be nice to have some other publication confirm this, but at the same time, it would not be a good thing for Sony. Can you imagine, these guys have a reputation (I would assume), and it wouldn't be wise for them to screw up on this type of thing, putting their credibility on the line.
Just my 2˘.
Just my 2˘.
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
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I was in BB days before Easter, and I watched a guy buy a PS3, and he had 3 Blu Ray movies and no games. I am sorry but that just makes me HOWL! Ok I know what all of the Blu Ray supporters have said about the PS3, but I mean c'mon. At least buy one game for a machine that was built to play games in the first place.
Monday, March 31, 2008
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March 2008
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On my 56 inch Samsung DLP,(that was highly rated as being a very good set),the toshiba hda2 simply blows the ps3 away in terms of picture quality. I am not biased one way or the other about either format,I just want high definition.
Both players are hooked to the set using high quality hdmi,yet the 98 dollar toshiba continues to outperform in all arenas. Curious considering Sony and Samsungs partership in blu-ray.)
The 1080i picture on the tosh. looks like a "window" while the 1080p sony looks "soft" in comparison. Vey confusing this is!
Don' get me wrong here,the ps3 is capable of a very good image,but it just doesnt have the pop,clarity,color,sharpness,or dimension the little "cheap" player has.[Once again on my setup,this is very confusing. Maybe someday blu-ray will catch up. I sure hope so considering i loved what hddvd could do./i]
Both players are hooked to the set using high quality hdmi,yet the 98 dollar toshiba continues to outperform in all arenas. Curious considering Sony and Samsungs partership in blu-ray.)
The 1080i picture on the tosh. looks like a "window" while the 1080p sony looks "soft" in comparison. Vey confusing this is!
Don' get me wrong here,the ps3 is capable of a very good image,but it just doesnt have the pop,clarity,color,sharpness,or dimension the little "cheap" player has.[Once again on my setup,this is very confusing. Maybe someday blu-ray will catch up. I sure hope so considering i loved what hddvd could do./i]
Monday, March 31, 2008
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bladerunner1... your comment reflects ignorance. HD DVD and Blu-ray picture quality is IDENTICAL, and differences are NOT 'format shortcomings', but due to the content source and mastering of each movie, concert, or TV show presented. There are equally great transfers for both formats, but -also- poor quality transfers for each. Edge enhancement also can be a factor in the quality of the image (seen on many Universal HD-DVDs, etc).
Apart from the first few Blu-ray discs released in the summer of 2006 (with a 'softer' picture due to poor mastering, such as House of Flying Daggers, etc), the Blu-ray format has equally great image and sound quality as that of HD-DVD.
I speak from experience... owning both formats, and 60+ discs on EACH format in my collection, which I view on a Pioneer KURO plasma.
To put it simply, I have not yet found a great-looking HD-DVD title with picture quality that the Blu-ray format has not equaled with a great-quality image/transfer. And professional reviews of dual-format releases (Warner, Paramount) show that neither is superior to the other, if mastered equally.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 31, 2008]
Apart from the first few Blu-ray discs released in the summer of 2006 (with a 'softer' picture due to poor mastering, such as House of Flying Daggers, etc), the Blu-ray format has equally great image and sound quality as that of HD-DVD.
I speak from experience... owning both formats, and 60+ discs on EACH format in my collection, which I view on a Pioneer KURO plasma.
To put it simply, I have not yet found a great-looking HD-DVD title with picture quality that the Blu-ray format has not equaled with a great-quality image/transfer. And professional reviews of dual-format releases (Warner, Paramount) show that neither is superior to the other, if mastered equally.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on Mar 31, 2008]
Monday, March 31, 2008
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August 2007
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Quote:
bladerunner1... your comment reflects ignorance. HD DVD and Blu-ray picture quality is IDENTICAL, and differences are NOT 'format shortcomings', but due to the content source and mastering of each movie, concert, or TV show presented. Their are equally great transfers for both formats, and also poor quality transfers for each. Edge enhancement also can be a factor in the quality of the image (seen on many Universal HD-DVDs, etc).
Apart from the first few Blu-ray discs released in the summer of 2006 (with a 'softer' picture due to poor mastering, such as House of Flying Daggers, etc), the Blu-ray format has equally great image and sound quality as that of HD-DVD.
I speak from experience... owning both formats, and 60+ discs on EACH format in my collection, which I view on a Pioneer KURO plasma.
To put it simply, I have not yet found a great-looking HD-DVD title with picture quality that the Blu-ray format has not equaled with a title featuring it's OWN great-looking image/transfer. And professional reviews of dual-format releases (Warner, Paramount) show that neither is superior to the other, if mastered equally.
Game, set, match.
Tuesday, April 1, 2008
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August 2007
August 2007
As a KURO plasma owner also, I see absolutely NO difference in picture quality between HD DVD and BD. I have checked out WB movies in both formats of same titles. They both are equally superior to SD DVD. I also own both formats (PS3 & HD-A35).
Tuesday, April 1, 2008
Member since:
March 2008
March 2008
Like I said,on My setup,not yours,The toshiba is better. I dont want it to to be! God no. It is what it is...
MY GEAR
SAMSUNG....I FORGET THE MODEL # TELE.
SUNFIRE THEATRE GRAND 3 PREAMP
SUNFIRE CINEMA GRAND SIGNATURE AMP 405 WPC.(clearly my fav.)
M/k all around
Monster cables all.
Toshiba hda2
PS3
I may be new here but I am far from new to home theatre... I can only state what I see...and I know all about mastering...Maybe my set just does'nt like blu-ray! I wish it did,I just bought the damn thing! I'm very happy with it overall though. I own roughly 80 high def. titles between the two formats so I have also done side by side on alot of different stuff.
MY GEAR
SAMSUNG....I FORGET THE MODEL # TELE.
SUNFIRE THEATRE GRAND 3 PREAMP
SUNFIRE CINEMA GRAND SIGNATURE AMP 405 WPC.(clearly my fav.)
M/k all around
Monster cables all.
Toshiba hda2
PS3
I may be new here but I am far from new to home theatre... I can only state what I see...and I know all about mastering...Maybe my set just does'nt like blu-ray! I wish it did,I just bought the damn thing! I'm very happy with it overall though. I own roughly 80 high def. titles between the two formats so I have also done side by side on alot of different stuff.
Tuesday, April 1, 2008
Member since:
June 2006
June 2006
Bladerunner... are your TV's picture/sharpness settings EQUAL among your 2 HDMI inputs for the Tosh HD-DVD and the PS3? Just a thought.
Interesting article by Josh Zyber (from Boston MA)...
> COMMENTARY: Specs vs. Reality
"So what if the Blu-ray edition has an extra 20 gb of space available? Are we watching the movie or watching the bit rate meter? If there were no bit rate meter, would anyone have a legitimate basis to complain? Back when they were supporting both High-Def formats, Paramount actually did what these users are demanding. They authored every movie separately for HD DVD and Blu-ray, each maximized to its format's potential. And what were the results? The same movie looked visibly identical on the bit rate maximized Blu-ray as it did on the lower bit rate HD DVD. Once again, the quality of the compression trumped other considerations regarding tech specs or bit rate."
Also...
> Blu-ray vs HD DVD (Round Two)
FIREWALL - The result was that for round two, any differences between the Blu-ray and HD DVD were just about indistinguishable. For 'Firewall,' I compared three full scenes -- the opening credit montage, an early sequence where Harrison Ford attempts to use an office worker as a decoy, and the climactic rescue in the desert house -- as well as a few sporadic short segments, and I could scarcely tell a dime's worth of difference the two formats. And that's despite the fact that the Blu-ray has a full 10GB extra to work with, as the HD DVD version of 'Firewall' was a single-layer combo DVD release (though the Blu-ray does have to squeeze in all the extras that were previously relegated to the DVD side of the combo version). But aside from a slightly darker cast on the Blu-ray, just as I noticed on my first round of Blu-ray versus HD DVD comparisons -- though it is so minor it could just as easily be attributable to slight differences in connections or the hardware -- I would say the Blu-ray and the HD DVD are like Xerox copies of each other. I highly suspect that any differences one might find noticeable are entirely hardware-specific, and not really inherent in the software.
...Ditto ETC on the other dual-format titles the reviewer compared.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
Interesting article by Josh Zyber (from Boston MA)...
> COMMENTARY: Specs vs. Reality
"So what if the Blu-ray edition has an extra 20 gb of space available? Are we watching the movie or watching the bit rate meter? If there were no bit rate meter, would anyone have a legitimate basis to complain? Back when they were supporting both High-Def formats, Paramount actually did what these users are demanding. They authored every movie separately for HD DVD and Blu-ray, each maximized to its format's potential. And what were the results? The same movie looked visibly identical on the bit rate maximized Blu-ray as it did on the lower bit rate HD DVD. Once again, the quality of the compression trumped other considerations regarding tech specs or bit rate."
Also...
> Blu-ray vs HD DVD (Round Two)
FIREWALL - The result was that for round two, any differences between the Blu-ray and HD DVD were just about indistinguishable. For 'Firewall,' I compared three full scenes -- the opening credit montage, an early sequence where Harrison Ford attempts to use an office worker as a decoy, and the climactic rescue in the desert house -- as well as a few sporadic short segments, and I could scarcely tell a dime's worth of difference the two formats. And that's despite the fact that the Blu-ray has a full 10GB extra to work with, as the HD DVD version of 'Firewall' was a single-layer combo DVD release (though the Blu-ray does have to squeeze in all the extras that were previously relegated to the DVD side of the combo version). But aside from a slightly darker cast on the Blu-ray, just as I noticed on my first round of Blu-ray versus HD DVD comparisons -- though it is so minor it could just as easily be attributable to slight differences in connections or the hardware -- I would say the Blu-ray and the HD DVD are like Xerox copies of each other. I highly suspect that any differences one might find noticeable are entirely hardware-specific, and not really inherent in the software.
...Ditto ETC on the other dual-format titles the reviewer compared.
-JIMI (the Voodoo Child)
