Friday, April 4, 2008
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This is all well and good until your "digital library" becomes infected with a virus or infiltrated by a trojan that renders your collection useless...
With a physical disc, you will never become victim of a virus or worm or trojan.
The Trojan/Virus is not going to happen - that's like saying if you do internet banking you run the risk of losing every penny you own. - not likely and systems in place to protect you if it did.
However - your physical discs sitting in you house are vulnerable to theft, damage, or fire.
Friday, April 4, 2008
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Yet another difference with music downloads vs HD videos.
A large number of people don't mind doing away with physical media when it comes to music they just to be able to listen to their music collection when they're on the move and so music files are a good way to easily transfer their music and bring with with them.
A HD movie...isn't quite the same if you have a shitty 3 inch portable screen to watch the movie on. So portability is not an advantage for HD movie downloads (that is, if it isn't infested with DRM in the first place - read further). HD material needs to be watched on a huge screen, and most people like to watch movies with others. In addition, discs and packaging provide the tangible "ownership" experience that tends to be more important for movies than music for some. And in the future, if/when network connections are blazingly fast, stable, and reliable it'll probably be the way to go - though I have a sneaky feeling that despite being a download it's probably harder to "bring a movie to a friend's place" and watch due to DRM type measures. But I suppose it's more environmentally friendly: there's no need to produce tons of plastic etc for the media.
[Post edited by YCH on Apr 4, 2008]
A large number of people don't mind doing away with physical media when it comes to music they just to be able to listen to their music collection when they're on the move and so music files are a good way to easily transfer their music and bring with with them.
A HD movie...isn't quite the same if you have a shitty 3 inch portable screen to watch the movie on. So portability is not an advantage for HD movie downloads (that is, if it isn't infested with DRM in the first place - read further). HD material needs to be watched on a huge screen, and most people like to watch movies with others. In addition, discs and packaging provide the tangible "ownership" experience that tends to be more important for movies than music for some. And in the future, if/when network connections are blazingly fast, stable, and reliable it'll probably be the way to go - though I have a sneaky feeling that despite being a download it's probably harder to "bring a movie to a friend's place" and watch due to DRM type measures. But I suppose it's more environmentally friendly: there's no need to produce tons of plastic etc for the media.
[Post edited by YCH on Apr 4, 2008]
Friday, April 4, 2008
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A HD movie...isn't quite the same if you have a shitty 3 inch portable screen to watch the movie on. So portability is not an advantage for HD movie downloads (that is, if it isn't infested with DRM in the first place - read further). HD material needs to be watched on a huge screen, and most people like to watch movies with others.
EXACTLY!!!!!! You people need to stop comparing the movie market with the music industry...they are completely different animals. Music is all about portability....whereas movies are not. Do you honestly think that 3" portables are going to drive the future of HD downloads???? Hell no.
When it comes to movies the general public wants a tangible item to buy and hold as a collectible, not massive 20 Gb files per movie to clog up your home PC that needs to be replaced every two years.
HD downloads may be a way of the future...but it is WAY out until it is the predominant method of buying movies as far as I am concerned.
Friday, April 4, 2008
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we ain't there yet...
You answered your own questions at the end of each of your statements.
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It wont be 3" screens. It'll be set top boxes that download and play AT HOME. It's not as much a portable medium as mp3s. But when the choice is $4 a rental and gas, or $5 at home....thats where that market will take off.
Beyond that, until the system is such that purchasing is as easy as renting, then it'll be fair competition. Did you enjoy Bee Movie? Well, we'll roll your rental into a permanent ownership fee.
Viruses? Well, I know a few HD-DVD and PS3 owners staring at bricks now because firmware updates killed them. Same will happen then, but I wouldnt worry about what content you download. At the moment, XBL saves all you download to their central server so if soemthing is lost, it knows you already bought it and you redownload it. It has glitches, but the system works ok. I see that being the same method used by future systems.
Its still a few years off, but people scoffing at it being the next medium of choice might be rudely awakened. It doesnt mean YOU still cant buy disks, but JQP may not be.
Beyond that, until the system is such that purchasing is as easy as renting, then it'll be fair competition. Did you enjoy Bee Movie? Well, we'll roll your rental into a permanent ownership fee.
Viruses? Well, I know a few HD-DVD and PS3 owners staring at bricks now because firmware updates killed them. Same will happen then, but I wouldnt worry about what content you download. At the moment, XBL saves all you download to their central server so if soemthing is lost, it knows you already bought it and you redownload it. It has glitches, but the system works ok. I see that being the same method used by future systems.
Its still a few years off, but people scoffing at it being the next medium of choice might be rudely awakened. It doesnt mean YOU still cant buy disks, but JQP may not be.
Friday, April 4, 2008
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When it comes to movies the general public wants a tangible item to buy and hold as a collectible
I think you're wrong. People want to sit down in front of their TV's and select a film or program and watch it. With electronic TV guides and TV on demand from cable and Sat companies, the general public is getting more and more used to selecting from a menu and pressing play.
Why wouldn't they - when the alternative is stacks of cases gathering dust. Turning your head to 90 degrees while you search for the right case. Then putting it into the player and hope its recognized and not spat out again.
People I know that have media centers like M$ media center or my Linux MythTV setup when they buy CDs or DVDs they rip them to the media center. One of my friends has a MythTV setup with clients in various rooms in the house. Each client can browse and play what they want from a central media center living room.
Friday, April 4, 2008
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if you wanna go with the portability argument, sony and other companies are developing high definition foldable screen based on organic compounds. So, imagine sitting down on a train reaching into your pocket pulling out a wallet sized device and unfolding it to 20 inches and then wqatching a movie on it.
You wanna talk about future but stick with old tech to prove your points.
You wanna talk about future but stick with old tech to prove your points.
Friday, April 4, 2008
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It is true that once the online delivery system is truly worked out it will be a force to be reckoned with. And theprof00 raises a good point about flexible displays.
Well, I have a few reservations. I like my movies kept on hard drives (I rip all my DVDs to high capacity hard drives so I can bring them with me when I go on extended trips), but I also like the fact that I have the original stashed on the shelf. I'm just not sure how these online downloads will work with PCs etc - are they going to be proprietary video formats limiting, with some kind of DRM to make it really difficult to bring your movies with you?
And about the flexible displays. It's cool, and I sure as hell don't know how popular it's going to be for travelers if these displays truly become ubiquitous. I think these large displays will probably still be more at home...at home. These displays will probably not liked being crumpled or folded either, so taking care of them might be a pain, at least until they have the toughness of a pair of jeans. Still, flexible displays will probably never reach as common and frequent use as a pair of earbuds from a portable music player. It's one thing to listen to music when you're doing housework or walking on the street, but it's another trying to watch a movie when doing all that.
[Post edited by YCH on Apr 4, 2008]
Well, I have a few reservations. I like my movies kept on hard drives (I rip all my DVDs to high capacity hard drives so I can bring them with me when I go on extended trips), but I also like the fact that I have the original stashed on the shelf. I'm just not sure how these online downloads will work with PCs etc - are they going to be proprietary video formats limiting, with some kind of DRM to make it really difficult to bring your movies with you?
And about the flexible displays. It's cool, and I sure as hell don't know how popular it's going to be for travelers if these displays truly become ubiquitous. I think these large displays will probably still be more at home...at home. These displays will probably not liked being crumpled or folded either, so taking care of them might be a pain, at least until they have the toughness of a pair of jeans. Still, flexible displays will probably never reach as common and frequent use as a pair of earbuds from a portable music player. It's one thing to listen to music when you're doing housework or walking on the street, but it's another trying to watch a movie when doing all that.
[Post edited by YCH on Apr 4, 2008]
Friday, April 4, 2008
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People I know that have media centers like M$ media center or my Linux MythTV setup when they buy CDs or DVDs they rip them to the media center. One of my friends has a MythTV setup with clients in various rooms in the house. Each client can browse and play what they want from a central media center living room.
Scottsman I hear where ya coming from..I'm one of those guys...
What I am saying is that people like us are the minority...the general public can't even set the time on the frickin VCR. Even for people who are technically savvy it can be a challenge to get a Media Center PC working and communicating with all of your other computers devices etc.
[Post edited by Bosshog7 on Apr 4, 2008]
Saturday, April 5, 2008
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But imagine when it is simplified.
How about this for a scenario
You buy your film directly from the studio using your tv remote or online or even at a kiosk . This then gives you a voucher code or something similar.
You then tell your TV provider the code via your remote. They verify the code with the studio and receive a commission from the studio for hosting the movie. The TV provider only ever need host one copy of each film yet every time someone registers their code for a film they get paid.
The studio has no discs of packaging to produce. The TV Provider hosts a single copy of a movie but might get paid 10,000 times or more depending on popularity of the title.
Additionally in your house you have a main set top box, but can add client units to it much like you do with Dect telephones.
Its not available today, but the technology is either already with us or just a few years away.
[Post edited by Scotsman on Apr 5, 2008]
How about this for a scenario
You buy your film directly from the studio using your tv remote or online or even at a kiosk . This then gives you a voucher code or something similar.
You then tell your TV provider the code via your remote. They verify the code with the studio and receive a commission from the studio for hosting the movie. The TV provider only ever need host one copy of each film yet every time someone registers their code for a film they get paid.
The studio has no discs of packaging to produce. The TV Provider hosts a single copy of a movie but might get paid 10,000 times or more depending on popularity of the title.
Additionally in your house you have a main set top box, but can add client units to it much like you do with Dect telephones.
Its not available today, but the technology is either already with us or just a few years away.
[Post edited by Scotsman on Apr 5, 2008]
