blu ray player issues

A friend of mine told me that a lot of you may be able to help me with my issue. I am trying to change my blu ray player to play in 24fs and it will not switch over. I was hoping that if I gave you my equiptment info, you would be able to tell me what I have or don't have that is making me not be able to watch movies in 24fs.

TV: Samsung LN-R408D
Blu Ray: Samsung BD-P1400
Receiver: Sony STR-DG720

Currently I am running HDMI from Blu Ray to Receiver then HDMI from Receiver to TV. Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Chucks

Run your blu ray player str8 to ur HDTV via HDMI n c if that solves the issue. If so, you need to adjust or replace your receiver.

That Samsung LCD TV^ is a 2005 model (768p), and is probably incapable of displaying 1080p signals of any kind, whether 1080p/60 or 1080p/24. Online info indicates the maximum signal the TV will accept is 1080i, so even if you set your Blu-ray player to 1080p output (which that player can do, in both 60fps and 24fps), your receiver or TV will automatically change the signal to 1080i/60.

As far as I know, until late 2006/early 2007, there were very FEW HDTVs that accepted 1080p signals, and even FEWER 720p/768p models that accept 1080p and scale at the (lower) native resolution. Pioneer's plasma are some of the few that do this (and accurately), in all of their models, both 768p and 1080p displays.

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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)

Chucks...I see you are new to the Msg Bd, so sorry about the HD-DVD fanboy chodes (trolls) like posters5 above (who hates Blu-ray) - as this issue has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with BD playback firmware. As I said above, I believe it's because your older model TV is incapable of accepting 1080p signals. Please accept my apologies for any further ignorant posts made by posters5 (Eddie).

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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)

Thanks Hendrix. I thought I read in the Blu manual that 24fs would work in 1080i or p. Is that not right? Is it only P?

No sorry, but 24fps is only possible if your player has -that- setting available for you to select (1080p/24), and then ALSO IF your TV is capable of accepting the signal without further alteration. Yes, ONLY with a 1080 progressive "p" signal.

For example, you may choose that output (1080p/24) on your Blu-ray player, and even if a TV is capable of accepting a 1080p signal, it might not accept 1080p/24, and then either it (or the player) will automatically change (convert) it to 1080p/60... which then negates the smoother image effects that watching a 1080p/24 signal provides - the exact signal encoded on most of our hi-def discs (some of the concerts are 1080i/60 on the disc).

So, yes your player does offer it, but your TV does NOT accept 1080p (either 60fps or 24fps) - which breaks the chain of (1080p/24) compatibility. Your best setting is for 1080i (because of the TV), so would be best to have your Blu-ray player also output 1080i/60, since -if- your player is set to 1080p/60 or 1080p/24, it will be forced to switch the output signal back to 1080i anyway (or the receiver will), so why make it do this additional 'handling' of the signal (in your case).

Also, that Samsung player is very good, but Cnet.com said it's 1080p/24 output is a little "below average" -

"We also looked at some movies in 24 frames per second output, commonly referred to as 1080p/24. Unfortunately, output at 24 frames was not as flawless as it should have been. We saw quite a few instances of stuttering that wasn't present when had the BD-P1400 set at standard 1080p/60 mode, and it was frequent enough to be a nuisance. Of course, we've seen high-def players with 1080p/24 problems before that were solved with firmware updates, so we're hoping that happens with the BD-P1400."

FYI - I own the original 60GB Sony PS3.
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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)

[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on May 3, 2008]

Thanks for the info.
I have another quick question for you. I just recently purchased my Sony receiver and I still am in my buyer's remorse period. I have to stick with Best Buy because I have gift certificates, but within the same price range, would you suggest a different model? I was told my Sony was only HDMI 1.2. I don't know if that is true or not.

These are some I have been looking at:

Sony Model: STR-DG720 (Audio and Video HDMI)(This is what I have)
Denon Model: AVR-1508 (Only Video HDMI)
Pioneer Model: VSX-918V-K (I don't know about the HDMI)

I would choose the Pioneer, which is the newest (latest) of those three I believe. Sorry, I don't know more specifics (HDMI 1.3), so you would need to inquire further. > LINK to the Pioneer model < (Pioneer's website) - I personally prefer the quality of Pioneer products, and these newer A/V amps are very affordable, compared to more premium brands, such as Denon and Onkyo.

Perhaps another Msg Bd member (like Skyhawk, Tony, John P, etc) will offer their thoughts.

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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)

By the way, the benefits (for now) of having HDMI 1.3 (<info) relates to the newer audio codecs only.... because as for video improvements, there are NO hi-def discs mastered with "Deep Color" encoding - which do require HDMI 1.3 to see any visible difference (if that much). But for audio, 1.3 is definitely an improvement.

From Gary Merson's hdguru.com site <

#6 - x.v. Color -

The promise, more colors on the screen then ever before possible. The reality? The only displays that can take full advantage of the wider color gamut x.v.Color promises are Laser TV and they wouldn’t be available for months. In addition, the only sources today that can provide an x. v. color signal are a handful of HD Camcorders. Bottom line, until Laser TVs and xv Color HD discs appear (no one can say if these discs will ever be available), it is a pretty worthless feature.

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> Further Info - HDMI.org <
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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)

[Post edited by Love Hendrix! on May 4, 2008]