Friday, May 30, 2008
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The Samsung at $349 is BD 2.0 ready
News to us.
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Also, the new Sony 350 is on the way at $399, which will probably go to $299 for the holidays, maybe even less.
No price cut this holiday. Last year's price cut was intended to influence Warner decision. Don't expect a repeat of last year's price war this year.
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will the consumer who already owns an upscaling player go for another upscaling player or a real high def player?
Super Upconversion isn't upconversion it's 960p Super Resolution. Blame it on Toshiba for the poor choice of word.
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I think this holiday we will see a few of these models at $249, maybe even $199 on the big holiday sales.
And exactly who's gonna sell at $249?
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No matter what they do, a 480 image will NEVER look like a true high def image
CIA has been using same tech on still pics to read license plate number of terror suspects off blurry sattelite picture.
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You cannot take a background of trees and grass and bricks and wood on homes (examples) that is already low in image resolution and make it into true 1080
CIA, US military, and NASA do exactly that every day.
Friday, May 30, 2008
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May 2008
May 2008
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The Samsung at $349 is BD 2.0 ready
News to us.
Check out the specs my friend, the machine is going to be updated for 2.0 with a firmware upgrade, please read the other web sites as well as Samsung's.
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Also, the new Sony 350 is on the way at $399, which will probably go to $299 for the holidays, maybe even less.
No price cut this holiday. Last year's price cut was intended to influence Warner decision. Don't expect a repeat of last year's price war this year.
Wrong, watch the ads after Thanksgiving and come back and we'll re-discuss this issue.
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will the consumer who already owns an upscaling player go for another upscaling player or a real high def player?
Super Upconversion isn't upconversion it's 960p Super Resolution. Blame it on Toshiba for the poor choice of word.
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I think this holiday we will see a few of these models at $249, maybe even $199 on the big holiday sales.
And exactly who's gonna sell at $249?
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No matter what they do, a 480 image will NEVER look like a true high def image
CIA has been using same tech on still pics to read license plate number of terror suspects off blurry sattelite picture.
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You cannot take a background of trees and grass and bricks and wood on homes (examples) that is already low in image resolution and make it into true 1080
CIA, US military, and NASA do exactly that every day.
Well, it's obvious that anything anyone says that is pro-bluray is going to be torn apart by you, were you an hd-dvd owner? That would explain it.
I have had 30 years experience in the retail video business. I guarantee you will see $249 blu-ray players starting with Black Friday and through the holidays, that the studios are going to go all out this holiday to push blu-ray, that the movie prices are going to be cut, especially on the hundreds of catalog titles, and that Toshiba's new format will fail miserably when there is true high def to be had. The public is not as stupid as you and Toshiba think they are.
The Samsung at $349 is BD 2.0 ready
News to us.
Check out the specs my friend, the machine is going to be updated for 2.0 with a firmware upgrade, please read the other web sites as well as Samsung's.
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Also, the new Sony 350 is on the way at $399, which will probably go to $299 for the holidays, maybe even less.
No price cut this holiday. Last year's price cut was intended to influence Warner decision. Don't expect a repeat of last year's price war this year.
Wrong, watch the ads after Thanksgiving and come back and we'll re-discuss this issue.
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will the consumer who already owns an upscaling player go for another upscaling player or a real high def player?
Super Upconversion isn't upconversion it's 960p Super Resolution. Blame it on Toshiba for the poor choice of word.
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I think this holiday we will see a few of these models at $249, maybe even $199 on the big holiday sales.
And exactly who's gonna sell at $249?
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No matter what they do, a 480 image will NEVER look like a true high def image
CIA has been using same tech on still pics to read license plate number of terror suspects off blurry sattelite picture.
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You cannot take a background of trees and grass and bricks and wood on homes (examples) that is already low in image resolution and make it into true 1080
CIA, US military, and NASA do exactly that every day.
Well, it's obvious that anything anyone says that is pro-bluray is going to be torn apart by you, were you an hd-dvd owner? That would explain it.
I have had 30 years experience in the retail video business. I guarantee you will see $249 blu-ray players starting with Black Friday and through the holidays, that the studios are going to go all out this holiday to push blu-ray, that the movie prices are going to be cut, especially on the hundreds of catalog titles, and that Toshiba's new format will fail miserably when there is true high def to be had. The public is not as stupid as you and Toshiba think they are.
Friday, May 30, 2008
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Wrong, watch the ads after Thanksgiving and come back and we'll re-discuss this issue.
Sure.
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were you an hd-dvd owner? That would explain it.
No, just a BD-Live and high-cost hater.
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I have had 30 years experience in the retail video business.
Then you should know better than anyone that Blu-Ray players aren't selling.
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I guarantee you will see $249 blu-ray players starting with Black Friday and through the holidays
Exactly who's gonna sell $249 Blu-Ray players at regular price, other than one time discount similar to $99 HD-A2 deal?
You need to understand that Funai that builds Walmart and BestBuy PB Blu-Ray players buys all the core component from Sony and Matsushita Funai's cost is same as that of Sony and Matsushita. And this is before the infamouse $60 Blu-Ray player royalty is levied.(None of players sold to date paid the royalty).
There is no room for a price cut. Blu-Ray is inherently a high-cost format and prices will stay high.
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that the studios are going to go all out this holiday to push blu-ray
All new releases see Blu-Ray release, so what more can studios do other than a price cut, which they won't do?
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that Toshiba's new format will fail miserably when there is true high def to be had.
DVD Upconversion Player sales up 5%, Blu-Ray player sales down 40% this year - Source NPD.
Friday, May 30, 2008
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May 2008
Is there anything I said you agree with? LOL.
I am a movie lover and I am trying to stay on the positive side. I really don't care which format had won hd-dvd or blu-ray. I just love the fact I can finally buy movies in 1080p picture with uncompressed soundtracks, and that's why I want the remaining format to succeed so badly, as do I am sure tons of fans who would never want to see compressed downloads and compressed movies on csat and cable being the only available way of obtaining high def.
I realize the right now sales are awful. No it doesn't make me happy. But the sales of dvd players weren't great until the prices came down for the movies and the hardware. Also, when DVD came out, our economy was thriving...right now we have to save up for a week to fill our gas tanks and eat. I don't think many people are considering anything that is a luxury.
[Post edited by mntwister on May 30, 2008]
I am a movie lover and I am trying to stay on the positive side. I really don't care which format had won hd-dvd or blu-ray. I just love the fact I can finally buy movies in 1080p picture with uncompressed soundtracks, and that's why I want the remaining format to succeed so badly, as do I am sure tons of fans who would never want to see compressed downloads and compressed movies on csat and cable being the only available way of obtaining high def.
I realize the right now sales are awful. No it doesn't make me happy. But the sales of dvd players weren't great until the prices came down for the movies and the hardware. Also, when DVD came out, our economy was thriving...right now we have to save up for a week to fill our gas tanks and eat. I don't think many people are considering anything that is a luxury.
[Post edited by mntwister on May 30, 2008]
Friday, May 30, 2008
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March 2008
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I am a movie lover and I am trying to stay on the positive side. I really don't care which format had won hd-dvd or blu-ray. I just love the fact I can finally buy movies in 1080p picture with uncompressed soundtracks, and that's why I want the remaining format to succeed so badly, as do I am sure tons of fans who would never want to see compressed downloads and compressed movies on csat and cable being the only available way of obtaining high def.
Movie lovers collected LaserDiscs when the market standard was VHS.
Movie lovers will collect Blu-Ray when the market standard is DVD and download.
That doesn't make LaserDisc and Blu-Ray winners.
Friday, May 30, 2008
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Heck, at least LaserDisc had twice the resolution of VHS.
1080p Blu-Ray enjoys 120 more lines of resolution than 960p Super Upconverted DVD.
1080p Blu-Ray enjoys 120 more lines of resolution than 960p Super Upconverted DVD.
Friday, May 30, 2008
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Blu ray will be the new dvd. This will start to happen this holiday season and by next year a real boom. That's my opinion, Deadmeat I am sure you won't agree with anything I say so I'll refrain from any more banter with you because you are obviously totally anti-bluray. Nothing anyone says in the favor of the format will you agree with, so it's just a waste of time. Enjoy your extremely compressed viewing experiences.
Friday, May 30, 2008
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Deadmeat said:
We've been through this before, but the 5% increase is Quarter 1 2007 to Quarter 1 2008, and the 40% decrease is January 2008 to March 2008. There was a Blu-ray sales spike in January and of course February and March are not big months for selling electronics. If you can't compare equivalent periods for upconversion vs. Blu-ray sales, then comparing those two percentages is completely meaningless.
Is Blu-ray storming the world right now? No (see, I have some perspective and balance on these things and will acknowledge a good point). The true test is going to start this Fall when the Blu-ray camp does a big marketing push.
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DVD Upconversion Player sales up 5%, Blu-Ray player sales down 40% this year - Source NPD.
We've been through this before, but the 5% increase is Quarter 1 2007 to Quarter 1 2008, and the 40% decrease is January 2008 to March 2008. There was a Blu-ray sales spike in January and of course February and March are not big months for selling electronics. If you can't compare equivalent periods for upconversion vs. Blu-ray sales, then comparing those two percentages is completely meaningless.
Is Blu-ray storming the world right now? No (see, I have some perspective and balance on these things and will acknowledge a good point). The true test is going to start this Fall when the Blu-ray camp does a big marketing push.
Friday, May 30, 2008
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Smbmess, I agree with you. Being in the industry, I know what's coming as far as pushing blu-ray and I can tell you it will be one of the biggest promotions in electronics history. Every studio and manufacturer is involved, and blu-ray will be everywhere. Whether that can do it is another question, but if you look at this chart, it wasn't until 3 years after released that dvd srated having any major impact. We are only in year 2 of blu-ray and have a much worse economy right now than there was in 1998. Also, DVD players could not play people's VHS collections, blu-ray can play AND upscale their dvd collections, so that I think will turn out to be a plus.
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