Friday, May 9, 2008
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Sorry Cipher...cannot find the 960p attributes in the latest addenda from the ATSC steering committee...can you send me your copy 
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Friday, May 9, 2008
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Super-upconversion is not the same thing as DVD2, is DVD2 following a different release time line??
Super Upconversion is coming regardless of what happens with DVD2.
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Still waiting to see what a Quad-Layer, Red Laser player can do.
DVD2 is still a normal DVD, just HDi interactivity, networking, and possibly PiP added in. DVD2 plays on all DVD players, it is just that you have to get an Xbox 360 or DVD2 players to use the DVD2 feature.
Friday, May 9, 2008
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OK, so we have this new upconversion players and a blu-ray player...however, the br is more expensive...obviously Average Joe will pick up an upconverter rather than blu-ray, specially since the movie/disc is cheaper in SD DVD...so what? 
Friday, May 9, 2008
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"I am NOT a Vaporware!!!!"
[Post edited by xplaytendo on May 9, 2008]
[Post edited by xplaytendo on May 9, 2008]
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Well, DVD is 480i, but Blu-ray is 1080p. More and more people are going to buy large-size HDTV screens (or nice projectors, like Skyhawk, etc), and will notice the difference between super-up DVD (of the original 480i signal) vs 1080i of HD cable/satellite, and perhaps a visit to a friend's house to see 1080p from Blu-ray and/or HD-DVD...yes?
So... is ^that person going to settle for "second best" - 960p super-up? Or, will he/she be enticed by lower-price Blu-ray players in 2009-10, with some budget models that are going to run $300 or lower (Funai etc)... ?
Think about ^that - once a person see the quality difference, then IF the price is reasonable ($300 and under) it will be in Blu-ray's corner to attract that consumer to adopt BD. Of course, lower-priced DISCS will have to happen too(!), and this is slowly happening (although mainly thru discount sales), as the MSRP of most movies is still higher than DVD for now.
None of us really know what economic conditions will exist in a year or 18 months from now, but already we've had one report of a lower-priced sub-$300 player announced (Funai brand, made by Sony and Panasonic parts), and I certainly believe that with another big round of competition from Toshiba will mean the BRDA will make the move to lower player prices from major brands, in their still-to-come budget models of players. So, don't say (or rule out) that a future player with a street price of $250 (or less) won't happen 18 months from now, as it still remains to be seen, or not. But certainly the industry DOES seem to be headed that way (in my opinion).
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So... is ^that person going to settle for "second best" - 960p super-up? Or, will he/she be enticed by lower-price Blu-ray players in 2009-10, with some budget models that are going to run $300 or lower (Funai etc)... ?
Think about ^that - once a person see the quality difference, then IF the price is reasonable ($300 and under) it will be in Blu-ray's corner to attract that consumer to adopt BD. Of course, lower-priced DISCS will have to happen too(!), and this is slowly happening (although mainly thru discount sales), as the MSRP of most movies is still higher than DVD for now.
None of us really know what economic conditions will exist in a year or 18 months from now, but already we've had one report of a lower-priced sub-$300 player announced (Funai brand, made by Sony and Panasonic parts), and I certainly believe that with another big round of competition from Toshiba will mean the BRDA will make the move to lower player prices from major brands, in their still-to-come budget models of players. So, don't say (or rule out) that a future player with a street price of $250 (or less) won't happen 18 months from now, as it still remains to be seen, or not. But certainly the industry DOES seem to be headed that way (in my opinion).
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Friday, May 9, 2008
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The thing that gets me is that many thought that people would abandon SD DVD immediately and jump into blu-ray (or any other HD source) immediately...and that didn't happen. Many of these people still think that magically, people will jump into blu-ray and 'leave everything behind' ...really, come on whoever thought these new formats (both blu-ray and HD DVD) would take off immediately, or that it would take them a couple of months (not years) to take off, was daydreaming.
Yet again, people don't realize how SD DVD will always be the one to beat (regardless of downloading or streaming, which I support as a rental medium). SD DVD has gotten as into the mainstream as VHS did, but the only difference between the HD discs and SD DVD, is the 'higher quality audio and video' which to be honest, most Average Joes and Janes won't care for (they might notice it, but would care less), specially since they are not going to spend $30 buying a movie, when it takes $70/week to fill up their cars with gas.
Blu-ray will slowly grab market share, but never more than 50% AT ALL. It's like a commodity, unlike gas for our cars. Have in mind that I'm not blaming the economy, but that's the way most of us middle-class to lower-class families live we cannot afford those 50" LCDs or plasmas, much yet a $500 blu-ray player...thou, we can save for our Wiis...
...really, come on whoever thought these new formats (both blu-ray and HD DVD) would take off immediately, or that it would take them a couple of months (not years) to take off, was daydreaming.Yet again, people don't realize how SD DVD will always be the one to beat (regardless of downloading or streaming, which I support as a rental medium). SD DVD has gotten as into the mainstream as VHS did, but the only difference between the HD discs and SD DVD, is the 'higher quality audio and video' which to be honest, most Average Joes and Janes won't care for (they might notice it, but would care less), specially since they are not going to spend $30 buying a movie, when it takes $70/week to fill up their cars with gas.
Blu-ray will slowly grab market share, but never more than 50% AT ALL. It's like a commodity, unlike gas for our cars. Have in mind that I'm not blaming the economy, but that's the way most of us middle-class to lower-class families live we cannot afford those 50" LCDs or plasmas, much yet a $500 blu-ray player...thou, we can save for our Wiis...
Friday, May 9, 2008
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None of us really know what economic conditions will exist in a year or 18 months from now...
Uhhhh... hate to break this news to you but: YES WE DO KNOW the economic conditions in a year, or 18 months from now. It's going to get worse. Analysts are already predicting a $200/barrel crude oil, by the beginning of 2010.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ayxRKcAZi630&refer=home
The cost of food will continue to rise (many nations already showing civil unrest over these prices). RECESSION is already here, and will continue beyond 2008.
Even if blu-ray shows up at $300 (which I highly doubt, due to gasoline cost to transport items)... people will THINK TWICE about buying a luxury... THAT STILL NEEDS a $1400 HDTV (that has 1080p to FULLY view blu-ray advantage).
None of the above economic crisis conditions have any quick fixes. In fact, THERE ISN'T ANY. The DVD format will prevail as the norm, beyond 2010.
As for the super upconverter.... pure Unadulterated, VAPORWARE.
[Post edited by xplaytendo on May 9, 2008]
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mvckalel, xplaytendo...
BOTH of your posts above are excellent!
Those comments certainly do reflect the mainstream regarding the home video market, and DVD in particular. And definitely, DVD is king and will remain so for quite a few more years, with such large penetration into homes worldwide.
I'm just hoping that Blu-ray, -WHEN- they get lower in price (players/discs) will start to take a major chunk into home video usage, and keep growing so as to make it a success. And I believe it will, but obviously take time.
I'm definitely going to buy more of the major titles (discounted of course) a little more going forward, although I also rent every week too.
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BOTH of your posts above are excellent!
Those comments certainly do reflect the mainstream regarding the home video market, and DVD in particular. And definitely, DVD is king and will remain so for quite a few more years, with such large penetration into homes worldwide.
I'm just hoping that Blu-ray, -WHEN- they get lower in price (players/discs) will start to take a major chunk into home video usage, and keep growing so as to make it a success. And I believe it will, but obviously take time.
I'm definitely going to buy more of the major titles (discounted of course) a little more going forward, although I also rent every week too.
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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)
Friday, May 9, 2008
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And thanks for that linked report on OIL from Bloomberg, xplaytendo... now I'm REALLY getting depressed about the future! Wow, what will the ecomomy resemble day-to-day with $200+ oil!! It's much to ponder.
Man, the coming years are perhaps going to be a financial experience that none of us have ever imagined encountering... (it will definitely change the way we spend our supplemental income, on various items).
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-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)
Man, the coming years are perhaps going to be a financial experience that none of us have ever imagined encountering...
(it will definitely change the way we spend our supplemental income, on various items)._____________
-JIMI McLovin (the Voodoo Child)
Friday, May 9, 2008
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If true... 2009 huh? - THAT LONG?
Cause by next year we can expect Blu-ray players for $250 and under(?)... so which would you buy for your $250 > a SD-DVD super-upconversion player, or a Blu-ray HIGH DEFINITION player (also provides DVD upconversion, just not super-duper ) - ?
Yeah, you all know - I would buy the Blu-ray Hi-Def player!
So give it a shot Toshiba, but I bet you won't have a 'super-low' price for that player either! (they gotta get back some of the money lost on the HD-DVD investment)
Wow. I've never seen anybody on any forum go from an HD DVD cheerleader/Blu-ray hater to a Blu-ray cheerleader/HD DVD hater in such extreme form. No offense, LH, but I'm just calling it like I see it.
