Re: Toshiba announces Super Upconversion DVD players due out in 2009

You are not getting it right?

I mean regardless of ability of insulting people, you don't know the Average Joe because you are not the Average Joe. Also, regardless of how you feel about a store that sells cheap things because they buy cheap and pay cheap wages, doesn't mean you have to call all its patrons STUPID...after all, remember, it's a business, they are there to make money, not help the world to fight global warming or world poverty...so call me stupid (since is the only way you feel good for not buying at wal-mart), but if a good HDTV was on sale on either target or wal-mart (they've been), I would buy it there...any 1080i, I may add...

Just yesterday I went to a very big furniture store, and the guy was telling this couple about resolution ("the biggest resolution available is 1920 by 1080" and how there is more 'clarity' to the picture...come on, is that it? How about telling them about i and p?

Remember it's harder to fall from a cloud, or a dream...

Ok, like I said before. Toshiba was on track to do this Super Upconversion for awhile. I would bet it was as far back as early fall of last year. What a joke that company has become. They strung us (HD DVD supporters) along throughout the Holidays 2007. Only to drop a bomb on us right after the first of the year by dropping HD DVD, you know, the technology they SO beleived in. Give me a flippin break, now they want to suck us into Super Upconversion. Well you see Toshiba, I already own a SU DVD player. It is called the A2, and thats what you should have put all your effort into.

Me, well the only thing I am buying is a Blu Ray player by years end. Not some OVER HYPED/OVERATED Super Upconversion DVD player.

Shame Shame Shame o0n you Toshiba....... " And all the people said AMEN!!!!"

mvckalel,

I don't think it's a major problem to buy a TV from Wal*mart or Target, if you've taken the time to do your research, ask friends or get resonable advice on a product that might be rated well. My point is that there are many electronics retail stores that offer a larger selection or simply carry a better product. It's not rocket science to figure out that you would have a bigger selection of products and quality if you purchased from Best Buy, CC, Ultimate Electronics, etc. because they are more specialized in this area than a glorified convienence store.

I think it's all in how you view these kind of retail places to shop. For example, Wal*mart and Target are not the place I think of going when I want to buy music CD's (especially Wal*mart because they sensor anything that would be Parental Advisory). Instead, I shop a local music store in town because I'm more likely to find the rare music I can't find in the local retail giants. I go to Wal*mart, but I'm not there for their small selection of electronics, I go there for good deals on common needs for the home (groceries, pharmacy, yard supplies, bathroom supplies, lamps, a vacuum, cheesy T-shirts, etc.). So yes, any Joe is stupid if they don't do their research and shop in the better places with a larger selection and better quality products. How is it not? I mean, I look at getting a decent HDTV as an investment and not some item that should be considered "stand by" just because it's cheap. It's like buying a decent musical instrument, you get what you pay for -- therefore I would not advise buying a quality HDTV at Wal*mart to anyone.

said it before and will say it again
toshiba is going to lose in this race. The only winner here is the toshiba backer microsoft.

I'm glad you guys are all for a company that not only rakes in billions of dollars selling incomplete software (and harware ...360) but is in this "war" to take advantage of your own confusion.

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So no, HD DVD is not the best option for an HD set, blu-ray is when you have one of those 120hz, 1080p HDTVs hooked up to one of those expensive Onkyo receivers with those nice sets of speakers...

Funny, HD sources (compared to standard DVD) offered a major improvement in quality even with my old Infocus X1 projector that had an 800x600 pixel array. And since this was a 4:3 (SVGA) aspect ratio, a major portion of those lines weren't even being used for HD widescreen material.

This being the case, I'd certainly say that HD sources offer a major improvement in PQ and detail to even those with 720p HDTV sets. But I ask my question again, why have you been this site's most persistent HD DVD fanboy if you saw no difference between it and standard DVD?

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Ok, like I said before. Toshiba was on track to do this Super Upconversion for awhile. I would bet it was as far back as early fall of last year. What a joke that company has become. They strung us (HD DVD supporters) along throughout the Holidays 2007. Only to drop a bomb on us right after the first of the year by dropping HD DVD, you know, the technology they SO beleived in. Give me a flippin break, now they want to suck us into Super Upconversion. Well you see Toshiba, I already own a SU DVD player. It is called the A2, and thats what you should have put all your effort into.

OMG IB, did you put too much Vinigar in that Salad dressing last night. Bitter Biker is back! Even if Toshiba was planning the SU Chip last year and a fall back plan or a side show hobby, what happened to HD DVD would of happened eventually. Even I knew that, but was in denial as well. Well calling it strung the Holidays is a bunch of crap. They had no idea that the WB was going to flip after Christmas! As far as they were concerned it was business as usual! Hell, I didn't think or most of the readers on this site wouldn't have predicted that? Maybe Skyhawk, but he know everything you know. Just so you know DVD2 and SU are different. SU has been in the works for quite some time, and had nothing to do with HD DVD. Now if DVD2 hits the shelves and your HD DVD player doesn't access the content, then you can give us this same speech again. For now SU is a technology to help the general public (That own a $75 DVD player) to buy a better DVD player ($199) vs spending $399 or more on a Blu-Ray machine. Also the technology is going to be used in a TV's application where JOE SHMOE, that just has basic cable. Damn, it's early... I need a coffee!

I found this thread quite fascinating. First off, blu-ray players will be $299 by this holiday season, and I am willing to bet you will find some after Thanksgiving Black Friday for less.

But more important, this Toshiba super upscaler idea. There is only so much image you can create from a 480 line picture, period. What a stupid idea. You cannot take a video image and make it look ANYTHING like a real 1080p picture and there is no technical aruement about it. Toshiba needs to wake up, realize they lost and get in on the blu-ray bandwagon because I think they could produce a darn nice blu-ray player for a decent price. The idea os super upscaling is a farce in theory. You cannot take, say, a set of trees in the background in 480 resolution and make it look like 1080 source because the resolution of the trees and leaves,ect isn't even there in the first place. Get real Toshiba, consumers are smarter. Those who are now spending thousands on high def televisions are going to have np problem spending a few hundred bucks for a blu-ray player to show off their new tv.

Reggie, why would the reguler SCHMOE buy a SUPER upscaled DVD player, when they could still get a very good quality HD DVD player (A2 + WalMart = $54.00) Remember this machine upscales and you cannot beat the price.
Toshiba wants to throw this SU machine at us only a few months after the death of HD DVD. If they would have put a tad more effort into their WAR plan, who knows, we may be talking about 2 HD DVD's for $30.00 at Best Buy this week.
And what makes you think that the guy who spends say $60.00 on a DVD player, is going to spend $199.00 on a SU player? Especially from a company who just got beat by SONY over the HD WAR?
I am not bitter, pissed off yes, but not bitter LOL. Remember I am just realist and that is how I see it from my view. Toshiba played all of us that stood by them like a fiddle and that is a fact.

InvisibleBiker said -

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"Toshiba wants to throw this SU machine at us only a few months after the death of HD DVD."

Well, the speculated date of the SUC stand-alone DVD players has been suggested as Fall 2009, so this would be much longer than just a "few months after the death of HD DVD" (2/19/08). Value-priced competitive Blu-ray players should be readily available and popular by that time, IMO.

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What I meant, is that they had this on their minds for a while. You just don't come up with this only 3 months after you throw in the towel with HD DVD. I mean, look how much they put into the next generation of DVD player. (or at least thats what they want us to think) So now they take a step backwards and want us to buy into this SU. Like I said I already have a Upconverted DVD player in my A2.
This makes no sense to me, how will this be better than HD DVD or Blu Ray? It won't, it will no way have the same picture or sound quality as HD, so again why would you take a step backwards?

[Post edited by InvisibleBiker on May 11, 2008]